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Spinymouse 02-28-2007 11:11 PM

Obi! Wow! Thanks for posting your pic! YOU Rock with gorgeousness! I can see the SPIRIT in you!

2frustrated 03-01-2007 09:51 AM

Hello chatty bunch!

If you have to ask then you're not hungry. Yes I see the logic there. However I think when I KNOW I'm hungry I'm too hungry. I get the teatime tantrum! :tantrum: and I nearly bit DH's head off last night while I was getting something to eat! I'm very definitely not dehydrated - I drink about 6L of water a day, about 1 and a half gallons I think that is!

Spiny and Obi, great pictures! Let's see if I can get one of me up here!

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j8...s/IMG_0848.jpg me looking reasonably normal

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j8...jengloves2.jpg Me like I usually look when I'm training!


As for foods I can't have in the house. Any kind of biscuit. :p They will be GONE! Vamoose if I get my little paws on them! I'm trying to learn though. But I figure I don't really need them so I just don't buy them any more.

Obsidianbbw 03-01-2007 10:09 AM

I have to say we have a nice looking bunch women here....

Spiny you might be seeing the several rum runners I had....

-Obie

Obsidianbbw 03-01-2007 10:23 AM

Challenge...wondering if any is a member of one here. I've noticed we're pretty relaxed.

I am sorta in the Lent challenge. I don't post to it regularly, but trying to stay away from what I gave up.

Obsidianbbw 03-01-2007 10:50 AM

I post mine in the 300+ monthly excercise thread and another Sista going from NY to LA (every min= 1 mile) makes it more interested.

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Originally Posted by jusj5571 (Post 1592579)
May I join in?

It looks like I've been following you guys plan with knowing it.

I love and I think it's great.

I've been posting my excersing minutes daily in the SBD forum because I used to be on it but I can't find anywhere else to post it.


2frustrated 03-01-2007 10:54 AM

:wave: Hello!

I'm a member of the Easter Challenge over in UK Chicks, just for fun but that ticker's been looking like that for about 4 weeks! :lol3: I'm also doing a points challenge in Support Groups where you get points for water, food, exercise etc. Oh and you mention Lent - I've given up chocolate for lent. Done it before, it's too easy! :lol: I couldn't think of anything to give up that would've been a big challenge, apart from maybe bread, but that's just silly! :crazy: Well maybe next year!

jusj - you could post your exercise minutes in the Exercise forum? There's a thread there called exercise accountability or something similar!

Oh and I forgot to say, that 700kcal a day diet sounds STUPID! I swear you can buy a PhD on the NET and become a GP these days! :lol:

carolr3639 03-01-2007 11:21 AM

Wow! This place is really buzzin. Welcome, jusj557. 2frus. looks like you have lost a lot of weight. Maybe you mentioned it before but what plan did you use? Thank you all for the nice pictures. I am excited because another site where I post.......the administrator is using IE and has lost 15lb.

fiddler 03-01-2007 11:23 AM

:rofl: Laughing at the 700 cal per day diet.

I had dinner with Jo (Spinymouse) Saturday night. Had a 14 oz. rib-eye steak slathered in green peppercorn sauce, mashed red potatoes, cup of chicken tortilla soup, wilted spinach salad with bacon dressing, cheesecake, coffee with cream, and at least one glass of wine (Jo kept topping it off so I'm not sure how much it actually ended up being). I have not been depriving myself since then either, and I have dropped 4 pounds since Saturday.

I've finally had time to get back in the gym. First time I've been there in a month, and it sure felt good. :D

Spinymouse 03-01-2007 11:54 AM

2frust: You look gorgeous tooooooooo! I especially like the black and white photo with the pink gloves. And you don't look overweight at all.
Jusj: Hi and welcome! Looking forward to getting to know you!

Spinymouse 03-01-2007 12:39 PM

interesting link re: the starvation mode myth
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...ess&id=4345046

carolr3639 03-01-2007 05:38 PM

Thanks for that Jo. I printed it off and will read it soon.

Spinymouse 03-01-2007 07:35 PM

Here is another thing I found (I have been searching "starvation mode" because I am rebellious against the term as it is commonly used. I found a website for some fitness guru Jeremy Likness and I copied this from it -
I really agree with his "who cares?" remark.
I guess I like to think that if and when all things get close to ideal for me, that I will consume very little - like I did when I WAS very little (and that was just intuitive.)

:D

So forgive me for being kind of Devil's Advocate about the 700 calorie diet idea - it's not for everybody, that is for sure!!

But here is what I copied from the Likness site:

Q ] How do I avoid "starvation mode?"

I always love the starvation mode argument. "Don't go under 1000 calories or you'll be in starvation mode." Starvation is when you are not getting nutrients or energy - zilch, nada. It is true starvation - i.e. not eating.
No, you will not go into some special mode after 6 hours of not eating. I've fasted for days before, and contrary to the popular trend, I did not suddenly lose 15 tons of muscle mass and become a thin sluggish weakling. I fasted for spiritual reasons and when I was done, I eased back into my regular nutrition program and was fine.
Starvation mode is something that serves two purposes. In the mind of marketers, its a great scare tactic to shock people into buying supplements to make sure they have something on the road and don't go into that scary starvation mode. It is also great to market systems because Americans like to eat. So any system that says, "Lose fat by eating more" is going to sell.
The second purpose it serves is for the person on the diet. It is a great justification for never going low enough to achieve phenomenal results - after all, they may kick into starvation mode. Better to have a reason to keep calories up and blame the inability to lose that last bit of ab flab on something else.
Seriously: when you lower calories, your metabolism goes down. This isn't starvation mode, this is your metabolism slowing down. The thing is, who cares? I know the trend is to say it's better to eat more and have a burning metabolism.
Personally, I don't see how a slow metabolism is any worse than a fast one if you are eating nutrient dense. In other words, I know of a 1200 calorie diet with far more nutrients than a typical American 3000 calorie diet. If it is sustainable and enjoyable, who cares if the metabolism is a bit slower? The idea is that it is easier to lose fat, but if you reach your goal and are maintaining, theoretically you don't have to lose more fat.

Obsidianbbw 03-01-2007 07:59 PM

I actually am starting to have issue with the whole starvation mode thing, but just can't see maintaining any kinda of eating normalcy on 700 calories....There have been days where I know I was at about 1000-1200 and wasn't interested in eating anything else...just can't see 700.

Spinymouse 03-01-2007 08:24 PM

Obi, I know what you mean - it's hard to eat that low and get proper nutrients and feel satisfied, but, then like that fitness guy said, most people don't get proper nutrients anyway on much higher calories. I guess my only point is that I think people get overly alarmed at the idea of eating very little, as though any of us were going to starve to death or some other horrible consequence. Karen Carpenter I am not. Now, let me tell you about my mother, God rest her soul...
This woman ate probably even less than 700 calories a day. Now I hope I don't get kicked off of 3fc for saying that, but no one would have ever thought of her as unhealthy. She was not skinny; just average; about 120 lbs and 5'3". And before anyone says that is not possible, well, maybe she could have gone in some book of world records or something but really, she had that old depression mentality about stretching every penny mixed with old school-Catholic indoctrination about sin and indulgence and so she just ate a bare minimum. (and no, she did not "sneak food" as she would not have bought any extra to sneak.) As far as I know I probably inherited some metabolic similarities to her. My dad always told me "I never saw your mother eat." Well she never had any nutritionally-related illness that I know of, and died in surgery of an air embolism which of course should not have happened, but she was 82 and who knows how much longer she would have lived had that not happened.
I have no idea if she ever got "hungry." If I could go back in time, I'd ask her.

Obsidianbbw 03-01-2007 09:07 PM

You know, just being on 3fc and the IE thread has taught me there are no absolutes about anything and anything is possible. No one, not even doctors are complete experts about EVERYTHING and really eating and/or weightloss is VERY personal. Even the people who have lost alot of weight I feel found a plan that worked for them, and i may take pieces from here and there, but in the end I need to do what works for me.

So I think if your mother lived to 82 at 5'3 and 120 lbs and ate the way that worked for her...who am I...or anyone else to judge?


So I guess if my friend at work wants to eat 700 calories a day I need to have a coke and smile and keep my mouth shut...blah....

Ok, feeling very militant....

Spinymouse 03-01-2007 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Obsidianbbw (Post 1593478)
So I guess if my friend at work wants to eat 700 calories a day I need to have a coke and smile and keep my mouth shut...blah....

Ok, feeling very militant....

I like militant:D

Regarding having a coke: I have sometimes remembered growing up in Detroit and having Faygo "pop." My favorite was Faygo Rock and Rye. I thought you could only get it in the Detroit area, and then I was in a funky deli (here in CA) and saw it! For the first time in ages, there was Faygo Rock and Rye! In an old-fashioned nostalgic looking bottle. I BOUGHT it, and am now regarding it as some kind of sacredly scarce icon. I guess I'd better drink it.

2frustrated 03-02-2007 04:56 AM

Carol - you ask about my weigh loss, and it's funny really but I think what did it was subconcious IE!!!! :lol: Long story short... Let's see. Overweight ALL my life. Dieted at 7 years old under Dr's supervision. Counted calories - 1000 a day. Was HUNGRY all the time. :p Lost some weight, but put it all back on when I came off the diet. Surprising huh? Got up to about 210 at age 14, and stayed there for a fair while. Then I moved in with my Grandparents and was SO unhappy not to be living at home, lost a few friends at school and decided to skip lunches and breakfasts and starve myself thin. Lost 28lbs. Next summer went to boarding school and started exercising with weights and swimming and eating the 4pm snacks that we were given and put on 28lbs! :lol: Then worked in a sweet shop :rolleyes: And put on another 14lbs, so up to 226. Then left home and started living by myself, lost sweetshop weight. Back to 212. Went to Uni, went out with BOY. BOY dumped me. Convinced myself it was because I was fat. Lost 7lbs eating not a lot at all really. Got job in kitchen over that summer and got Fibro too (or equivalent) lost another 7lbs through being sick of the sight of food that I lived on about 2 bowls of cold cereal and a slice of bread, or a couple of potatoes or whatever was leftover in the kitchens at the end of the shift. Then went back to Uni, joined gym, lost 14lbs through eating reasonably healthy and supplementing a bit with slim fast and snacking on Sugar Free jelly (Jello). Didn't properly count calories at all during this time. Moved in with my (now) DH and lost about another 14lbs (is this adding up right??? :lol: ) counting calories (1200 a day :faint: ) and I joined my kickboxing class :love: I remember being at 168 then. Last year I started running and got down to 162.5, my lowest ever. Unfortunately I'd stopped lifting weights too. Then wedding stress set in and I gained about 6lbs or so between last May and last November. Fortunately the dress just about still fit! Then on honeymoon I put on about 7lbs :lol3: then dropped a few before Christmas, then put more on, then took a few off and here I am at 174. This past year or two I have been religiously counting calories, running, lifting, kickboxing. I've upped my protein intake considerably and all I've got to show for it is nice big muscles. Which I love. But I think counting calories and worrying overmuch and worrying if I'm getting enough protein and if it's "clean" just about did my little head in!!!! So I'm thinking that relaxing my mental state might do me some good. Also that goal weight there <- is more about a "dream" weight. Yeah it's be nice to be that weight, BUT I know you'd be seeing my ribs at that weight and I don't really want that! Heck you can already see my ribs above my boobs and I hate that. But we'll see what results IE produces, and I really think that this is the first step in being healthy and slim for the rest of my life. I don't think calorie counting for the rest of my life is healthy. I don't think worrying about protein/carb/fat rations is healthy either. It's just not practical. On my (future) baby's first birthday am I going to bake her a high-protein, low-carb, macronutrient dense birthday cake??? Or am I going to buy the biggest stickiest confection I can find and live life to the full? I think that's a no-brainer, personally! And I know I'm preaching to the converted now.... :lol:

(sorry, that was a BIT long!!!!)

fiddler - I love that you talk about all that food! It sounds yummy! I recently described what I ate for a nice (and mainly healthy) Sunday meal out on another thread and got the flippin Food ****s saying that I made them hungry! :rolleyes: Then they started a "Food Porn" thread where we could "confess" our food porn sins. :rolleyes: Needless to say I don't post on that bit any more. LIGHTEN THE HECK UP!!!! :lol:

Spiny - :o Thank you! I love that pic too! :D I think I might get it framed and hang if on my wall. I look mean! GRRRR! :lol:

Re: "Starvation Mode" Personally I'd rather not eat less and be thin. I want to eat so that I don't feel like passing out all the time and so I'm not snappy with DH! I know if I go too long without food I turn into the 3-headed she-devil! :devil: RRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR! But I agree, I think it's quite a myth. But on the other hand, I think the body does adapt very well to things and I think sometimes if you've been on very low calories for a while, then you eat a fair bit the next day, your body thinks, "Oh wait, there's plenty of food, I don't need to hang on to this flab quite as hard as I have been doing, maybe we should burn some off." You know, like what happened to fiddler after her big meal? :dunno: I think the body needs change sometimes.

Spinymouse, your story about your mum reminds me of a book I read, "Eating Myself" by Candida Crewe. It's a UK book but you might be able to get it on Amazon. It's well worth a read. It's about one lady's normal abnormalities with food. If that makes sense. She describes how much she doesn't like her body and sometimes all she'd eat for lunch is a mango. But this was in an effort to get/stay slim. She describes filling her hunger with diet coke and chewing gum and dieting down to look fab for an event, then she realises that actualy it's not worth all that just to look a little bit thinner. It's a great read, but it depresses me because I feel if she just had a bit more body confidence then she'd be a happy person. But instead she's a normal weight person who wears black and thinks she can't wear a bikini and hides. Another book I'm reading is "Diary of a Fat Housewife" which is in print in the US. THAT's another depressing book because she is overweight, but she really hates herself. I just want to reach out to people like that and say, "But you ARE fabulous." And I know this is common dieting wisdom, but you really do have to love your body to get fit and healthy with it. If you're constantly hating yourself, then of course you're going to subconsciously abuse your body by sitting it on the couch with a bucket of chicken, because you don't think you're worth any more than that. But I do also understand that it's a long climb from the bottom when you're sitting there in your underwear with your greasy paw in the bucket of chicken :lol:

Anyway, I'd better do some work, since I've been here an hour and a half and only posted on 3FC! :o :lol:

carolr3639 03-02-2007 09:48 AM

Thanks for that, 2frus. It was very interesting.

carolr3639 03-02-2007 11:20 AM

Jo, We have friends from the Detriot area that always bought the red pop. I'm not sure I ever tasted it because I'm not much of a pop drinker. Could be because my folks never kept pop around unless company was coming. My dh's parents always had pop around and he is quite a coke addict. He did, however, give it up for 2 yr after being taunted by my mom that he could never give it up. Right before he turned 50 he lost a lot of weight but gained it all back.

Spinymouse 03-02-2007 11:38 AM

Interesting, 2frus! I smiled about the she-devil part. Maybe that's part of the reason my mom was so mean. I'll check out the books you recommended. Thanks! I don't know what my mom really thought of herself. I do know she didn't care about looking fashionable at all. She deprived herself of food the same way she deprived herself of everything else most women seem to like - nice clothes, the hair salon, jewelry, etc. ****, I would get in trouble for buying her a CARD because it was an unnecessary object, and what was she supposed to do with THAT?

But I know what you mean about the worthless feeling. For me it turns into drinking wine rather than eating the bucket of chicken.

And I haven't had regular soda in years - but it will be interesting to see what the Rock and Rye tastes like after all these years. Probably I'll say "ptooey, do they have to make it THIS sweet??"

I need to get back into exercise. I haven't done a thing in 3 years. Ugh. It's so un-fun.

Oh well. Leftover tuna casserole for breakfast today.

Thanks to all for listening.

CinnamonGirl 03-02-2007 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 2frustrated (Post 1593798)
... And I know this is common dieting wisdom, but you really do have to love your body to get fit and healthy with it. If you're constantly hating yourself, then of course you're going to subconsciously abuse your body...

Oh, that is so true!

Beth

Spinymouse 03-02-2007 01:49 PM

The concept of loving one's own body is very unfamiliar to me.

CinnamonGirl 03-02-2007 02:48 PM

Oh, Spiny, me too. I "practice" loving/liking my body every day. Some days I fail miserably and others I do pretty well. Today is a good day. I had to go out to help DH blow out our 1/4 mile long driveway so threw on my ski pants. I haven't worn them since last winter when they were skin tight. Today I could pull them on without un-doing velcro or zippers. They are baggy! I'll have to buy new ones and give these to DH. I stood in front of the mirror laughing. What a great feeling. I still have lots of body fat and am working on getting rid of that but boy did it feel good to remind myself that I'm better off today than yesterday. Now tonight when I get ready for an evening out may be a totally different story.

Beth

fiddler 03-02-2007 09:44 PM

Welcome to all the new people! :D

I've been busy (as usual) so haven't had much time to post. But it's sure fun to read what's going on with everyone else. It really brightens up my day. :)

Spinymouse 03-02-2007 11:36 PM

Hi IE Pals -
Obi, I thought of you because I went to Applebees for lunch, with a co-worker who is no longer a co-worker as of the end of today, and I am very sad about it.
The intensity of our discussion and my emotion caused me to not be attentive to my satiety, and it was only after the lunch that I realized that I felt uncomfortably full, although I did not eat all of my lunch.
Well I am feeling very melancholy tonight, and of course I am drinking wine, and thinking how I might have been too blabbery here lately, (but thanks for listening!) and I have rediscovered a quote I like, for amusement purposes:

"'Shut up,' he explained." - Ring Lardner

Hope everyone is doing well,
jo

Obsidianbbw 03-03-2007 01:29 AM

I'm feeling a little off tonight. Its after 1am and I can't seem to make myself go to sleep. With all the good stuff happening seems like I can't stop mourning my relationship. It isn't officially over, but it is definitely on life support. I almost want it to over for closure, but there is still the spark of hope it will all work out...Also I think I medicated with food tonight...Didn't realize till I typed this post. Blah....well at least I recognize and know for next time.....

-obie, awake and wishing she had tivo'ed more Monk.

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Originally Posted by Spinymouse (Post 1595163)
Well I am feeling very melancholy tonight, and of course I am drinking wine, and thinking how I might have been too blabbery here lately, (but thanks for listening!) and I have rediscovered a quote I like, for amusement purposes:

"'Shut up,' he explained." - Ring Lardner

Hope everyone is doing well,
jo


Spinymouse 03-03-2007 09:46 AM

I was right about the Rock and Rye being too sweet. I have now had my year's worth of high fructose corn syrup in that one bottle of "pop." Those little-girl taste buds are long gone.
And another thing. Why does Applebees not have any vegetarian choices on their menu? I've never seen a restaurant like that. And what the heck does spinach have to do with bacon, anyway? Can't even get a salad without animals on it.
Well, good morning everyone. It's back to my own home cookin'. Have a good weekend.....

Obsidianbbw 03-03-2007 10:24 AM

LOL, maybe thats why I love it and all the chain restaurants are like that by the way...I think their vegetarian options are...salad :lol: Their one concession to weight loss is the weight watchers menu. It is a total guilty pleasure because it is complete crap ....crap I only eat when I go there.....Poor Spiny...

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Originally Posted by Spinymouse (Post 1595391)
I was right about the Rock and Rye being too sweet. I have now had my year's worth of high fructose corn syrup in that one bottle of "pop." Those little-girl taste buds are long gone.
And another thing. Why does Applebees not have any vegetarian choices on their menu? I've never seen a restaurant like that. And what the heck does spinach have to do with bacon, anyway? Can't even get a salad without animals on it.
Well, good morning everyone. It's back to my own home cookin'. Have a good weekend.....


Spinymouse 03-03-2007 11:05 AM

OMG Obi - I just realized that you live in NY/NJ and so I assume near NYC - and you eat at Applebees!!??? I am imagining all the funky/wonderful/exotic/ethnic choices you must have out there. And you pick Applebees!!!

I guess you remind me of myself though because as soon as I typed that I was reminded of how although I don't like to eat meat much, I would love to have some of that Institutional Meat Loaf like only the cafeteria at University Hospital North at OHSU could do!!!!

(Sheesh. There's something the matter with us.) :p

Obsidianbbw 03-03-2007 12:25 PM

Actually my favorite cuisine is Indian and next Jamaican and then Thai. I just discovered Brazilian BBQ (totally decadent experience). I think living in NY after while you just take all the cuisine for granted. Applebees is my favorite "American chain" place. So when I'm out in the suburbs I eat there. When I am at work in the city (NYC) I eat all kinds of different things, but eating out is how I get to 357 LOL. My favorite home cooked dish is a toss up between meatloaf with mashed potatoes and lasagna. Favorite dish cooked by grandma is baked macaroni and cheese, potatoe salad, and collards green.

Ah Food Porn Police.....Spiny made me post this. She held the HFCS gun to my head and made me post all those yummy food.

Its funny whenever I eat at an ethnic restaurant outside of NY I think it is so watered down...My friends think I'm a snob...but I'm a new Yorker (insert accent here) through and through.

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Originally Posted by Spinymouse (Post 1595478)
OMG Obi - I just realized that you live in NY/NJ and so I assume near NYC - and you eat at Applebees!!??? I am imagining all the funky/wonderful/exotic/ethnic choices you must have out there. And you pick Applebees!!!

I guess you remind me of myself though because as soon as I typed that I was reminded of how although I don't like to eat meat much, I would love to have some of that Institutional Meat Loaf like only the cafeteria at University Hospital North at OHSU could do!!!!

(Sheesh. There's something the matter with us.) :p


carolr3639 03-03-2007 01:15 PM

My favorite food changes from time to time. Awhile ago it was crab ragoon. Got over that. Now it's Wasa crisp bread. Obi, Did your parents and grandparents grow up in NY, too.?

fiddler 03-03-2007 08:42 PM

Quote:

I was reminded of how although I don't like to eat meat much, I would love to have some of that Institutional Meat Loaf like only the cafeteria at University Hospital North at OHSU could do!!!!
Jo, you are in luck because you can find that same meatloaf here!!! Check the Von's deli in A-town. ;)

fiddler 03-03-2007 09:01 PM

I, too, am feeling melancholy and lonely tonight.

And I miss being in a relationship. I sympathize with you, Obie. It's hard when you get to the point where it's on life support. Maybe even harder than when it's completely over.

I would be crying in my beer right now...except I don't like beer :(

Thanks for listening to me whine....

Spinymouse 03-04-2007 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fiddler (Post 1596035)
I, too, am feeling melancholy and lonely tonight.

And I miss being in a relationship. I sympathize with you, Obie. It's hard when you get to the point where it's on life support. Maybe even harder than when it's completely over.

I would be crying in my beer right now...except I don't like beer :(

Thanks for listening to me whine....

There ain't nuthin' wrong with the "whine" -- it is so much more than that- It is a complex set of emotions that one short little word can't sum up. And I agree that it is harder when a relationship is on life support than when it is completely over. (I sort of vaguely remember that sort of experience - or maybe it was just a bad dream.) So Obie and Fiddler, I know how much it sucks.

As for food - I want to try that Jamaican and Brazilian stuff - I just may have to take a trip to NYC.

More on food - I am experimenting with recipes to enter into two recipe contests - there is a Pillsbury bakeoff contest and a Cooking Light contest going on. Thankfully I have a friend who is like a goat in that he will eat 95% of whatever I make even if it is horrible, and I can eat the other 5% for quality control purposes. What this has to do with IE I have no idea. And I have to try to be psychic and try to determine what most people would like, which is probably not anything like what I would like (as demonstrated by my :?: look when I see an Applebees menu. :dizzy: ) But it gives me something to do (the contests.)

jo

2frustrated 03-05-2007 05:16 AM

:wave:

Hello ladies!

Big :hug: to all you melancholy girls. Keep your chin up, all will sort itself soon. :)

Well I had a lovely weekend, met a friend on Friday for dinner (salad no dressing and half a small dessert), then we went to a comedy show.

Saturday I went back to my old school for their careers day - I'm about 60lbs lighter than I was when I went to school and most people were very impressed! :lol: I had a really good lunch out with my friends, I had a chicken breast with peppers and goats cheese on the top, with ricotta pasta parcels and salsa. It was truly amazing, and there wasn't too much pasta, and there wasn't too much food, it was just right! I skipped dessert, but mainly because everyone else was! :lol:

I did some shopping and bought some new handbags and a few clothes. I visited my grandma and took her a big creamy banoffee pie! :lol: :T

Yesterday we went to the library on the bus, in the rain. We got very wet! Then I tidied the house, and I can get one wardrobe door shut now, which is progress! :lol:

The scales are being good to me, they are ROCK STEADY! Which is really really odd! Usually when I am "dieting" or at least trying to lose some weight they go up and down and up and down. They haven't even fluctuated by a quarter of a pound! :dunno: Spooky!

I think I am going to try and hold onto my hunger for a little more to see just what it takes to lose a pound on IE. A small part of me would like to lose some more, now I know how easy it is to maintain. I think if I can lose a little bit, with just a little bit more effort and a little bit less food, I might be able to painlessly lose a few pounds and that would be good. If I have to be starving hungry most of the day then it's not worth it, but if I can drop a few easily, then it's worth doing!

I've just borrowed some whole food recipe books from the library and they look yummy! I can't wait to try them out, can I buy some more time please???? :lol:

2frustrated 03-05-2007 06:48 AM

I just noticed something
 
This is really new for me, but just excuse me for getting excited! :lol:

So I'm trying to eat a little less this week, and I'm waiting till I'm sure as sure I'm hungry.

So anyway, I've just had my morning snack, which was about 3/4 of an apple (it was bashed up), half an ounce of pecans and about 5 pieces of dried fruit (prune, apricot, peach, pear and apple). So I'm sitting here and I felt all faint and headachey and empty, so I ate my snack. And I STILL felt all faint and headachey and empty. But that was about 15 minutes ago. Since then I've had a bit of a drink and let my snack "go down" and now I don't feel so hungry. I think I forgot that it takes time to register that you've eaten. I've still got a headache though :(

Anyway it's gym soon, so I should be able to get through my weights session without falling over :crossed:

Obsidianbbw 03-05-2007 07:31 AM

We don't want you to starve...Me personally may not eat until I am a little more hungry. I might notice it at level 2 but not eat till I feel level 4. I think you might not want to feel faint and head-achey. I notice if I eat a piece of fruit I will be hungry again in about an hour or 2...so I eat another piece of fruit rather than a full meal. I think everyone else may have better advice...but I don't think faint and head-achey is a good thing.

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Originally Posted by 2frustrated (Post 1597403)
This is really new for me, but just excuse me for getting excited! :lol:

So I'm trying to eat a little less this week, and I'm waiting till I'm sure as sure I'm hungry.

So anyway, I've just had my morning snack, which was about 3/4 of an apple (it was bashed up), half an ounce of pecans and about 5 pieces of dried fruit (prune, apricot, peach, pear and apple). So I'm sitting here and I felt all faint and headachey and empty, so I ate my snack. And I STILL felt all faint and headachey and empty. But that was about 15 minutes ago. Since then I've had a bit of a drink and let my snack "go down" and now I don't feel so hungry. I think I forgot that it takes time to register that you've eaten. I've still got a headache though :(

Anyway it's gym soon, so I should be able to get through my weights session without falling over :crossed:


2frustrated 03-05-2007 08:58 AM

I know what you mean. I don't particularly like faint and headachey, but it's like I miss out 3-7 and go straight from comfortable to starving hungry! I did manage to do my gym things well, so I think I ate enough at my little snack time.

I was speaking to DH and he says he never gets tummy rumbles just faint and headachey! :lol: So maybe it's a hunger symptom rather than an over-hunger symptom! :dunno: It's a bit trial and error at this stage since I want to see if I can lose a bit this week without feeling too hungry!

EDIT: No worries about me not eating enough!!!! I had lunch, then had a fruit and nut bar, and some ryvita crackers.. :lol3: I don't think I'm going to starve! I've totted up calories for today and I'm at 1560 already! It's only 4pm!!!! Although I proabably won't have the opportunity to eat until about half 8.

carolr3639 03-05-2007 04:51 PM

Off to a family get together. Eight of the kids plus spouses and grandkids will be there to see son John off to Alaska. He's got new job there. Have a good day.

Obsidianbbw 03-05-2007 05:04 PM

Well From Friday to Yesterday was probably my worst eating since I started IE. I would eat crap and then think I could still eat so much more. I think I just wanted to feel full...no idea why. Also have a sweet tooth. I wanted ben and jerry tried to use a substitute and that partial led to the horrible weekend.

I can't say I feel guilty about it, but just learning from it and trying to see where I go. I do see an big meal in my future.

-Obie.


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