[blueskiesahead]

Originally Posted by Loser13

I'm ashamed to admit that I did not make it through Day 6 without cheating. I should of gone to be last night when I was tired but nope...watched tv half awake/half asleep and then saw all those Halloween treats left in the living room...well you can figure out the rest.

So...this is Day 1 again (for the fourth time) of a reboot without a cheat. Or I guess I could say Day 7 of reboot with a major cheat on Day 6...funny how it took a week to loose 9 pounds but one night to gain 5 pounds.

L13 -The good thing is you accepted the slip, and committed to starting again. And I hope that coming here will help you stay on track. We all live with the same temptations, and we are all trying to help each other to stay strong.
You may indeed need some coping skills until you get back into the groove. Lots of suggestions for that in past threads. I find a hot drink helps, it takes time to drink it, and fills me up, but then the urge to cheat has passed. I've also cut up one of my bars into 6 or 8 pieces, put them individually in the fridge, when I am just in one of those states where I'm opening up all the cupboard doors looking for "something good", I have one small piece.
Put a picture of "skinny you" on the fridge door, pantry door, mirror...wherever you will see it to motivate you. I'm sure there are lots of other suggestions and ideas you can think of.
One other thought...if I may put on my science hat for a sec...it takes 3500 calories to gain a pound. Unless you ate 3500x5=17,500 calories worth of candy, that 5 lb isn't all real, and most should not be showing on your scale in a day or two

We're all here for you, wishing you good luck!

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I'm off to Toronto for the day, going to see a play (Sherlock, with David Arquette --- I know, seems like an odd choice, but I've heard he's good in it). Meeting DS for dinner after. Beautiful day here after yesterday's rain.
Going to wear my new leather jacket

[jaimie1980]

Thanks for all the warm welcomes!

HereIstand I think it is great that you are -56 in such a short time. I hope I can lose as quickly as you! I like Monday weigh ins, I feel it keeps me more accountable over the weekend, which is my most likely time for a slip up. I also weigh daily- I NEED that reinforcement, as much as it sucks when the scale gets stuck.

Blueskies, yes I have a coach at the clinic, and meet weekly for this phase. I will probably go biweekly after the first month, and the coach is very helpful. We also have an ap that tracks our weight (the scale syncs to the ap) and we can IM a coach if we need to. I like the program a alot! But I also love the online groups because it is a place to find others who are in the same boat!

Mamacita Glad to see a fellow "frozen tundra" dweller! I wasn't sure if anyone would know what Profile was, but I guess it is starting to get fairly big. It is a great program, I have met a few folks who have lost a ton. I have never seen an IP clinic here, other than several years ago there was a local chiropractor offering it.

Hysteria The products on my program are all branded "profile." There are shakes/pudding, soups, meal replacements (sloppy joe/beanless chili, etc) jello, bars, and several others which I haven't tried yet. I really like the shakes, they are easy, and I have a bar once in awhile. I have used some wonderslim shakes as they seem to be nutritionally identical. We have lots of veggies (4 c), no fruit, and one 3-4oz lean protein a day. Water, decaf tea/coffee, powerade zero, and calorie free flavored waters are all that we can have for beverages. There are several phases, the early phase is called reboot reduce. The second phase is adapt, but that is far away for me. There is a phase 3 and phase 4 as well.

As for me, I finally dropped a couple on the scale. I hate those 3-4 day stalls. Being a daily weigher is challenging but I need that reinforcement.

I love reading all of your stories! I can't believe the results some of you have had. This makes me feel so excited and motivated! I hope to spend 5-6 months on this phase if they allow it. Thanks for letting me join you all!

[hysteria_625]

L13 - it is so hard! Time to let it go and move on.

Blue - how was the play?

Survived the Halloween / birthday party but it was probably the absolutely hardest day I had fighting the urge to give in and eat something that wasn't protocol. Chocolate everywhere...a birthday cake I wasn't going to eat...fried fish...my favorite chicken wings. Just one year, right everyone was impressed with my willpower and didn't even try the "but your only 39 once" crap - LOVE my friends & family <3
I did eat 4 deviled eggs and 3 restricted bars: 2 lemon crisps I had gotten as freebies from Nashua (and my joints HATE me today dumb dumb dumb) and a quest brownie while everyone had my cake lol - the last one I can justify, the other 2 were pure stress.
Had a normal, protocol dinner though - 2C zoodles w/ Braggs Amino / garlic and shrimp (although it was probably closer to 12oz...I didn't weigh them)

It wasn't so much the food yesterday as the other issues happening surrounding the party - last minute changes, cleaning, running, and cancellations - I was a little tired / sad / hurt / upset. I guess this was a good test for me / knowing I still have to deal with the issue of emotional eating. Granted it was probably a combination of everything and having easy access to a lot of stuff I normally don't (well, the cake - we almost always have chocolate in the house). Still need to be mindful though as its too easy to drive to the store anymore and get 'anything'.

Jaimie - thanks for the info...so only 3-4 oz of lean protein a day! Wow!

ETA - so I had my "cake and ice cream" tonight - made proti thin vanilla pudding ice cream w/ 2T pbFit, 1 stevia and used Quest PB protein powder to make a "bowl cake" (I didn't want it tall, I wanted it more wide / thin, like a slice of cake) - mmmmmm! So much better than the crappy cake I fed to the guests last night

[Destony]

I'm so sorry Beth that your celebration wasn't all that you had hoped for. I'm glad to read that you kept strong and ended up having a pretty good time. You are a great example of how mindfulness can keep us on track in this journey.
Yesterday was a tough food day for me. We went out for breakfast (nbd there-been there done that) had 2 eggs over easy and a side of brocccoli no butter for anythingmy friend owns the diner we ate at-we then went to a big truck show, so i had a carbvantage drink with me, and a crispy square becauase I wasn't sure how long we'd be gone and thought that when we got home, I would eat my lunch veggies, and wasn't too concerned because I had the broccoli at breakfast. So by the time we got home, no veggies, had the drink when we had gotten back in the car to head home. When we got home, I had some chores to do then sat down for a minute had my square and then we went to my son and DIL for dinner. She's not much of a cook, so I figured she would make her baked chicken- and all would be good. No, she made a beef stew with stew meat, (which looked pretty lean) frozen peas and corn and I am assuming that it was flour and water for the base. So, I did my best to just get some meat -I probably had about 3 to 4 oz. and I had a little of the base with the veggies-but seriously if it was 1/4 of a cup, I may be exagerating. I did add salt and pepper because she doesn't use any spices when she cooks. Her son is a "supertaster" or something like that-I guess I better google that one...Then I got home and had a brownie warmed with a tbsp of WF chocolate syrup. Now that I am reading it, it's not as bad as I had it in my mind, but nonetheless, not 100% on protocol. We did a ton of walking yesterday, so....
Well, it's Monday ..I hope that it plays gentle with me and all of you!!

[HereIStand]

New week, new beginnings!

I'm officially on P2 today! I'm just one pound over my goal, which I guess isn't too bad. Still hoping to drop 2-3 pounds in the next couple of weeks, though.

I'm sad to say I had a horrible off-protocol day yesterday. Every month my church has a potluck lunch, and I'm in charge of the clean-up crew. I've never had a problem at these lunches since being on protocol. I take my salad and protein and veggies and haven't been tempted at all. But yesterday, as I was putting the leftover food into the kitchen, I ate four - FOUR - large pieces of cake. It was like my hands and mouth were operating independently of my brain - there was no forethought or justification or anything. That old carb addiction rearing its very ugly head. After I got home, I forced myself to enter everything into my food diary app and was mortified. I'm sure I was WAY out of ketosis. I did the only thing I knew to do, which was mostly fast the rest of the day (I had chicken broth for dinner, and protein gelatin for evening snack), and walk 3 miles yesterday evening.

So I guess the next few days will be spent getting back into ketosis, which sucks, but I'm not quitting this protocol. I need to figure out how I'm going to do this in maintenance. I need to figure out how to put the brakes on when compulsive eating gets triggered. I've known for a long time that I just can't have cookies and cake in my house, but being around those foods in a different environment is obviously just as dangerous for me.

[hysteria_625]

Linda - it sounds to me like you did a fantastic job in some difficult situations. I am sure we'll see that ticker keep sliding right.
Saturday, once the party got going, was actually very enjoyable. It was great to have so much fun with my loved one. I own the anxiety - and some of it I created myself waiting so dang long to decide to send the invites.
I think it helped pull me up out of the funk I'd settled into - at least a little.

I guess I am officially doing a modified P2 - idk if its fair to say I am really doing IP anymore though (with the avocado / pbFit) - and I really hope I am not screwing myself going into P3 & beyond.

I've set MFP at 1,400 and macros are adjusted for the additional fat - 40P / 40F / 20C. My k/cals averaged right around 1,300 for the weekend and I hovered between 146 - 147. What is more interesting is that my body is shifting, again. The tightest pair of work slacks I got a couple weeks ago now come off without unbuttoning (10's).
I am losing weight from areas I no longer need to though...DH noticed last night how bony my shoulders have gotten and I saw it in the mirror as I did my hair. Having never been skinny, I have NO idea if this normal but I don't really like it...I feel like my upper body is looking anorexic, but obviously I am still losing from my lower torso as well.

I did realize Saturday night how quickly bloat will be an issue - I had gotten some sparkling, lemon-flavored water for something different while everyone was drinking. Between the extra calories / salt and carbonated beverage, the size 8 jeans I was wearing went from feeling fine to VERY snug by bed time - and the scale only ticked up +1.4 from Saturday to Sunday morning!

ETA - HIS - you've owned what happened - time to let go and move on! Sometimes I think over-analyzing situations can be a catalyst to repeating the behavior - so, as opposed to saying 'ok, I did "xyz" and today is a new day", we beat ourselves up, looking for rationale that may not be there.
Again, this is so much easier said than done since we are raised to believe there is a "rhyme and reason" to everything and certain behaviors are "sins" (gluttony, right?) as opposed to just accepting we are HUMAN.
If it's a behavior we want to try and avoid repeating, I feel like we do need to have a plan and practice putting that plan into place.
For example, I have tried over the last 5 years to make a VERY conscious effort to be cognizant of my co-dependent behaviors and NOT get pulled into a lot of drama (at home, at work). When other people start gossiping, I have started saying "I'm sorry, I really don't want to discuss this" and if they try to engage, walk away. I am certainly not 100% successful and I still find myself pulled into things from time to time, but I believe my efforts have paid off. I can say I feel have healthier relationships and friendships now.
Hope this ramble made sense

[HereIStand]

Originally Posted by hysteria_625

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I am losing weight from areas I no longer need to though...DH noticed last night how bony my shoulders have gotten and I saw it in the mirror as I did my hair. Having never been skinny, I have NO idea if this normal but I don't really like it...I feel like my upper body is looking anorexic, but obviously I am still losing from my lower torso as well.

Same here! Well, I'm not really losing much, if any, from my belly and thighs anymore, but from the waist up.... I look scrawny. You can see my ribs in front and back. My poor boobs have pretty much disappeared. I even noticed in the shower yesterday that my skull feels bony and less padded. I think it's confirmation that we don't need to go a lot lower on the scale, Beth.

[blueskiesahead]

Beth I'm sorry your birthday wasn't the wonderful celebration you were hoping for...
but hey, it was only 39....just wait till 40
Start planning now for a HUGE party, you'll be celebrating not only your BD, and Halloween, but a successful year on maintenance

Linda - sounds like yesterday was a tough food day for a lot of us. It's hard when we are in a situation where the food choices are not the best, and like you did yesterday, you can only try to not go too badly off the plan.
Hope the scale is kind to you today.

HIS - Oh yeah, I can relate, because I'm one of those people who cannot stop at once piece of cake, or cookies, or candy... I've been so good on P1, but this really scares me for maintenance.
But hey, you stopped, and got right back in control an you should feel good about that.

And....P2
Let us know how that goes!


Yesterday was a nice day. We enjoyed the play, but must admit it wasn't one of the best we'd seen . A bit uneven, I guess. Usually we stay over, because it's a long drive there and back, but we have an old, sick cat, and we didn't want to be away overnite, so it was a long day.
We had a nice dinner after the play, though, with DS who lives in Toronto. No real food problems (salad for lunch, and brought my rhubarb with me for veggies; a bar mid-afternoon; steak and veg for dinner, though I think the veg had some butter on them??). Anyway, scale was Ok this morning.

The weatherman is giving us a fantastic week, into the 70s and sunny! OMG, is this really the first week of November Love it! such a bonus at this time of the year....great week to do lots of outside things.

[HereIStand]

Originally Posted by hysteria_625

ETA - HIS - you've owned what happened - time to let go and move on! Sometimes I think over-analyzing situations can be a catalyst to repeating the behavior - so, as opposed to saying 'ok, I did "xyz" and today is a new day", we beat ourselves up, looking for rationale that may not be there.
Again, this is so much easier said than done since we are raised to believe there is a "rhyme and reason" to everything and certain behaviors are "sins" (gluttony, right?) as opposed to just accepting we are HUMAN.
If it's a behavior we want to try and avoid repeating, I feel like we do need to have a plan and practice putting that plan into place.
For example, I have tried over the last 5 years to make a VERY conscious effort to be cognizant of my co-dependent behaviors and NOT get pulled into a lot of drama (at home, at work). When other people start gossiping, I have started saying "I'm sorry, I really don't want to discuss this" and if they try to engage, walk away. I am certainly not 100% successful and I still find myself pulled into things from time to time, but I believe my efforts have paid off. I can say I feel have healthier relationships and friendships now.
Hope this ramble made sense

I agree. I'm not really beating myself up over it, but I definitely need to have a plan, as you said. Maybe it's something just as simple as not being the person who handles moving the food around at these lunches.

But it's the mindlessness of the eating that I'm worried about. I don't know how to prevent that when it seems to be my default setting. Somehow I have to figure out how to have an internal conversation with myself at the moment that compulsive eating trigger kicks in, rather than just kind of come to my senses too late, after the damage has been done.

[hysteria_625]

Originally Posted by HereIStand

Same here! Well, I'm not really losing much, if any, from my belly and thighs anymore, but from the waist up.... I look scrawny. You can see my ribs in front and back. My poor boobs have pretty much disappeared. I even noticed in the shower yesterday that my skull feels bony and less padded. I think it's confirmation that we don't need to go a lot lower on the scale, Beth.

Oh man! Me too (waist up)! I thought that was normal for skinny folks to be able to see all that rib...but protruding bones from the shoulders, not so much...

I am also SO ready to be able to safely incorporate more exercise.
Our niece ran her first 10K yesterday and DH is signed up for the Thanksgiving Turkey Trot. I am going to try my hand at the 5K in 3 weeks

Blue - after today, we are supposed to have a week of 'indian-summer' too, topping off in the high 70's Friday!

Wow...if I count last Thursday as Day 1 of P2 and follow the 'normal' phase off schedule, that would make my first day of P4 Thanksgiving

[Destony]

Boy, we are ALL in such similar places...lol
1st- HIS, Beth-I wish my thighs, hips and lower belly would start going down more....the boobs- fuhgeddabout 'em...but at least they fit in my bras now and don't spill out...I am trying here to find a silver lining...lol. Seeing/feeling my ribs has been kinda neat, kinda scary...all at once. Feeling my spine, and not really having to move my stomach out of the way to tidy up my bikini area...I do have to explain to people when they are telling me that I am too skinny that once I get some carbs going things will fill back in and I won't look too skinny. (as I sit here feeling my scalp to see if that feeles like its lost weight-lol) And congrats to you both for P2!!!
The weather here is phenomenal- we're all getting some beautiful Indian Summer weather-YAY!!!
My eating yesterday only drove the scale about .2, so I can live with that. I am worried about how I will handle the holidays ..all the food that is around, the cookies and treats that come to the shop- the parties and all- I don't know, I will sure try to keep my whits about me and have a plan. I get it HIS I did awesome at my sons wedding- what like 2 bites of cake? Less than a month later, at an anniversary party- I ate a piece of cake-I totally disconnected with myself- I knew what I was doing was wrong, I was telling myself that, I kept telling myself to push it away and I just kept eating it- it wasn't frenzyish though, I totally savored every bite-but it sure did scare the crapadoodle out of me.

[jennydoodle]

Hi all! This seems to be a fairly active thread (more so than the rebooters) and I rely on the support here, so I am going to jump in over here

I am on Day 8 of my reboot and feeling good. I am using alternative products (Quest) and loving them. So far my reboot is going well and I am finally feeling some differences in my clothes. That's the hard part, right? You've lost a few pounds, but your clothes are still tight. Now, at least, I can feel that they are fitting better and it helps keep me motivated.

I still have quite a ways to go, so I will be here for a while.

[Destony]

Jenny just be careful with the Quest bars- since they reformulated them, most don't fit guidelines of being P1 compliant. Had just discovered them when that happened. Really twisted my gears!!
Great job on the NSV - always a great feeling when the clothes get looser and looser!!

[jennydoodle]

Originally Posted by Destony

Jenny just be careful with the Quest bars- since they reformulated them, most don't fit guidelines of being P1 compliant. Had just discovered them when that happened. Really twisted my gears!!
Great job on the NSV - always a great feeling when the clothes get looser and looser!!

Yes! Thank you! HereIStand also pointed that out to me in the Alternatives thread.

I have been doing the reboot with all unrestricted because I have been loving the Quest Chips and Ro's protein cookies and I haven't even felt the need to have a bar. I get something sweet and chewy and something salty and crunchy everyday, so I am not missing the bar at all. I only bought a couple of them to try, so I will just save them for after IP.

[canadjineh]

LOL, it is normal and healthy to see rib and hip bones and also collarbones, and the joint where your shoulder meets your collarbone. just fyi...

It's because it's such a rare thing to see in N. America these days
Just as long as you don't see the first three ribs (just below the collar bones, above your breasts) - THEN you're too skinny.
If you have bonier protuberances like your elbow epicondyles or wrist bones you will more likely have the collar bone and shoulder (acromial process) more prominent too.

Liana