Cheese/ketosis and IP vs Atkins (John are you out there?)
I'm always thinking and questioning, and this has been on my mind since I did IP last year. Just looking for the facts.
So we all know cheese is not allowed on IP. I watched an IP video yesterday about dairy and it said it was because the lactose in dairy products can interfere with ketosis. But my understanding is that hard cheeses don't have lactose AND Atkins allows cheese, right? And Atkins does put you into ketosis, right? So if cheese does not affect ketosis, I wonder why it isn't allowed? Of course it's high in fat and calories, but if it was limited to one ounce per day (with a reduction in the amount of lean protein), would that really affect weight loss and ketosis? Just curious about the facts. |
From personal experience, not all cheese is equal. I don't monitor ketosis, but I've found that very sharp cheddar will suppress appetite far better than mozzarella or swiss.
I'm surprised to hear that cheese isn't allowed on IP. It's usually a good choice for low carbers. I suppose lactose is a form a sugar and could affect some people. Kind of mysterious!!! You could always find out what's true for you by monitoring your ketosis state while eating cheese or by keeping track of how how long different cheeses keep you from being hungry (calories being equal). 300 cals of mozzarella = 2 hours; 300 cals of sharp cheddar = 3.5 hours, etc. |
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Cheese when it is aged has very low lactose content since most has been fermented. Greek yogurt is the same, at least when allowed to ferment overnight. As it is strained, it is also lower in whey.
I also do not understand why IP does not allow it, particularly as there are also low fat cheeses that have low carb content. I wish IP would put the cards on the table and give a reason. I have looked for any scientific basis, but lactose content sure is not it. The easiest way to determine would be to compare losses during periods of isocaloric 100% IP eating vs IP with the addition of some cheese. |
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I hate lean protein and have always had difficulty getting it down (I actually gag sometimes - probably due to the fact that I have been vegetarian at points in my life). I was getting no more than around 2-3 ounces per day so I did start to add in an ounce of cheese per day since my protein levels were so low. I lost 4 pounds last week (first week back) and one pound this week (I only have 4 to lose so expect that to be my weekly loss now). I also check my ketones 2-3 times a week and it's always in the medium to high level. |
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I think IP is very well aware of what a problem cheese can be for many of us. As many of the commenters pointed out, it is hard for many of us to portion control because it is SO.DOGGONE.GOOD.
My guess is that some of their rules are based on the science of ketosis and others are based on human behavior. This is the reason I've followed the IP rules so closely, although I'm a former Atkins girl and know in my heart of hearts that cheese won't knock me out of ketosis. However, too much of any food will. And I'm a "too much cheese girl" from way back! |
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Mmmmmmm, cheese.
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My Coach actually told me today that IP is looking into (like next year) coming out with entire meal replacements (kind of like Lean Cuisine-ish, but I don't think they are frozen), that you can heat up and have as a meal. That might work for me, but I think it's a way off yet. |
I love cheese and when I first started IP I think it is the food I missed the most. One problem with cheese is that I get the big C. I wonder, since this can be a problem on IP, if it is one reason they don't allow it? Hmmm....perhaps it is a simple matter of saying "no dairy" and not allowing loopholes that would lead to adding more and more things back in? I would find any loophole possible if it meant I could add wedding cake to my protocol. :cheese::hungry:
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I thought the problem with cheese is the fat content. Being in ketosis, they want you to burn your fat storage. If you are adding more fat, then you are burning less of your stored fat. If you are doing a low carb lifestyle, then it wouldn't matter. However, if you are trying to actually lose weight, you don't want to add more fat to have to burn before your body can burn the fat that is stored...
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