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Originally Posted by Bellamack (Post 4053890)

2011weightbegone,

I too am type O, so yes carbs are the enemy,, unless closely watched. Hubby is AB and can eat pretty much everything, however he had a heart attack in March ( only 55 yrs. old) So, he has been watching everything and although he certainly wasn't fat at 230 lbs @ 6'4", he has lost 30 lbs and is looking great. His mother had heart disease, so I think that is where that came in.

Glad to hear all is well with your husband, must have been a scary time for all of you. not sure what blood type DH is, but up until he was diagnosed with reflux esophagus 2 years and was put on meds for it, he never had a weight problem. A Dr. recommended to me the book Eat Right For Your Blood Type for some ideas on the right foods. I have only seen it in 1 book store but found it at amazon.ca, for you it would be .com, for way cheaper so am going to order it from there.

I don't think that a planned phase off for a vacation is a cheat. If you phase off the proper way and make smart food choices that is no different than when you phase off the program all together. Some people actually go back to phase 1 for a "reboot" after phasing off completely. I did phase off for a vacation, I was going out of the country and it was not practical for me to try and carry food out of the country and then be able to prepare it where I was staying. Yes I gained 6 pounds on my vacation because I did allow myself some indulgences but the the very first week I was back on plan I lost 7 pounds. Also, I'm sure we have all read or been told that you will gain back about 5 pounds when you phase off for good due to the glycogen stores being brought back to normal.
Lastly, the word "cheat" covers much area. I didn't have my sea salt with me and used regular table salt..to the very strict/hardcare IP'ers that would be considered a cheat. I did a lot of walking for my job one day and had a fourth packet..again that could be considered a cheat.
Thanks to those that encourage and support, thanks to Wuv for the loving kicks in the butt when I need them and thanks to the 3FC site that allows to share, learn and even vent.

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Originally Posted by Bellamack (Post 4053890)

I am also typ O but am not aware of the correlation between blood type and carb sensitivity. Please tell me more!

I don't understand cheating myself. I really don't understand any sense of bragging about it or celebrating weight loss while cheating.

IP is something I pay a considerable percentage of income to do. It is something I view as my "friend"...a great help for my problems. To turn my mind to an idea something like it is "me against IP" is a twist I just can't make! If I were to have a trigger that caused me to act on my eating compulsions, it would be of great concern to me. It would be something that I would have to do personal work on. It would be an act against myself, in my way of thinking. Disturbing!!

I am not surprised we make mistakes or succumb in a moment to old ways that we have long had in our lives. Some how thinking it is cool in any way? Do not get it.

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Some how thinking it is cool in any way? Do not get it.

This is what disturbs me too.

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Originally Posted by BCGirl (Post 4049995)

This post comes as a result of another thread, including some comments I really appreciated from Linden (I don't know how to cross reference posts but read "Anxious about vacation")

I love this forum - I've learned so much about IP, food suggestions, recipes etc. - there is so much support and advice that is invaluable.

HOWEVER - I think it's important to be clear that the plan does not allow "cheats" (hate that word) until phase 4. We all make choices about how we approach our weight loss but you're not OP if you eat foods not on the list. Mostly OP is off plan. Small cheats and breaks are off plan.

I love the support on this site but the unconditional support for those planning to deviate from the plan for a special event or a holiday in my opinion does far more harm than good. I'm not suggesting we beat up those who slip - support getting back on track is important, but a more candid discussion like Linden led about the dangers of "planned cheats" or "phasing off for holidays" would prevent a lot of regrets.

The reality is that for many of us, if we had learned not to indulge we wouldn't be here:).

I also agree with the comments that when people cheat it hurts the program. Stay on plan (which in my opinion can include carefully chosen non IP alternatives), lose weight. If you don't follow the rules YMMV.

I hope new people visiting this forum can sort through advice etc and not get pulled into the "I cheated and still lost" logic. It does happen, it's just harder.

I hope I don't offend anyone, it's really not my intent. I am so supportive of this plan - the actual IP plan before it's adapted to individual interpretation :)

Thank you for the clarification. Reading those posts did take my mind to a thought of having one cookie but I chose not too. Mostly because I knew if I cheated the first week I wouldn't be successful with this diet. I want to lose 40 pounds and as quickly as possible obviously. I appreciate your honesty!

Thanks Again!

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Originally Posted by sunnymae (Post 4052117)

Originally Posted by Busymomx4 View Post
I've been OP for 9 weeks now and never had a cheat, can't even fathom putting the wrong food in my mouth. It is frustrating when people still lose after a cheat but i feel that in the long-run, they are more likely to put the weight back on.

You had some valid points Busymom, but this is not one of them I'm afraid. I stayed on program to a tee, no cheats, no deviations. Lost the weight. got to maintainance and have slowly started slipping back into old habits and struggling to lose the nearly 10lbs I've gained back. It's called all or nothing behavior, and I am just now starting to re-educate myself in the world of real food and balance. Whether you learn how to do it right by cheating and finding a way to recover during or after IP, it's all the same. It's extreme behavior and that's what got you and the rest of us into the journey we have all been sharing here together.
I agree that cheating and getting back on is extremely difficult and I did heed the stories of those who regretted having done that, so I chose not to. Didn't mean a hill of beans when I got on maintenance though. It just gave me discipline for the moment during ph.1
However and WHENEVER we come to our epiphany and finally get it right, is what's right for us. Progress not perfection is my motto from 12 steps programs. My hats off to everyone who has fallen off program at any phase and found the support and the where with all to get back on and take what I call the next available "you" turn.
Good work everyone!

So true so true....I was the same way....100% not a bite, lick, or taste off protocal and that all or nothing mentality was a bit dangerous....thank goodness I gained control or at least feel like I have. I too put about 10 pounds on of the 87 I lost....not too bad...and now most of it is GONE! Planning on staying 100% until May 27th.

But the biggest challenge is in phase 4...not month 1, 2, 3, or even 4....it is what you are doing a year, two, three, four later. Do you learn to "cheat" and recover without reverting to complete old habits because of an "all or nothing" attitude that makes you feel defeate when you have a day off so then you lead to 2 or 3 days or weeks or months or years off.

With that said...I was thankful I was 100%....the weight flew off and it kept me super motivated.