Originally Posted by sherbearjt08:
Hi. I found your thread today while I was doing some looking around. I have been very depressed about how I look and my husband has offered to pay for a diet program. He suggested Jenny Craig, but I am just not impressed with that. I did WW but I am horrible with being disciplined any more.

I am now about 42, have had 4 kids (the last one in 2008) and nothing snapped back. I have the dreaded stomach flap, weigh 198 pounds and really want to get back to 165 which is where I was for a long time and I was happy there. I hate the way I look in casual clothes.

Anyway - There are a couple of places here in Wichita that have this Ideal Protein program. People seem to be having a great success on it and it the results is pretty fast.

Couple of questions:

1. What is the cost like compared to other diet programs?
2. Has anyone gone off IP and maintained their weight?

Thanks.

I started IP after talking with my chiropractor and my goal was to lose weight but mostly I wanted to get rid of my addiction to sugar. The first 4 days were hard as heck but then my desire for protein finally kicked in. To me, this is worth any price - but the good news is the cost was just fine. I had been overeating and I actually saved money by doing IP.

Originally Posted by 2RIDEROLLERCOAST:
JohnP - Just wanted to say that your responses were interesting but you didn't really provide a weight loss program that is better than IP. What are you on? Perhaps with a little more information Sherbear can make comparisions and then decide which is best for them. Thanks for responding about IP but have you tried it? and it didn't work for you? I am just curious why you would answer for IP if you are so against it. Thanks.

I did actually suggest "Rapid Fat Loss" which is a better designed PSMF in my opinion with no expensive supplements to buy if someone is determined to follow a PSMF which I don't reccomend for most people and certainly suggest checking with one's doctor first to get their opinion before going on such a restrictive diet plan.

I'm not "against" the IP diet play I am against the information the IP diet says is accurate when it is not. For example the role of ketosis is completely over stated as well as the book suggesting that while on the IP diet insulin won't be generated.

Asking if I have tried the IP diet is like asking if I have ever jumped off a cliff. I don't need to try the IP diet to have an opinion on it and in both cases I have an extremely good idea of what would happen if I did.

I would not waste your time with debating this with JohnP. We have already been through this in the Men's Corner and it got no where and posts deleted. He has a bit of arrogance that his way is the only right way and wants to try and debunk IP and turn others away. He has not medical credentials, no formal background, but wants to tell US, IPer's this is wrong, that is wrong. etc.

I look at it this way. You make the personal choice to do this program. It works, it is in most cases medically supervised and fine in my opinion. It is not worth the arguing with JohnP.

If you like IP and it is working, stick with it. Please do not let his arrogance change your thoughts. If he provokes a question about the program, research for yourself and if that does not work, ask your doctor or clinic.

JohnP

This is a support forum. It's not a "I'm going to tell everyone that they're doing it wrong" forum. If you do not support the ideologies behind IP, you can feel free to not visit this subforum and do your weight loss your way while we do ours our way.

Honestly, it comes off as beyond disrespectful when someone who has no personal experience with the program invests so much energy into telling us how wrong we are. Aim for less negativity in the world, not more.

Originally Posted by juiceman11:
I would not waste your time with debating this with JohnP. We have already been through this in the Men's Corner and it got no where and posts deleted. He has a bit of arrogance that his way is the only right way and wants to try and debunk IP and turn others away. He has not medical credentials, no formal background, but wants to tell US, IPer's this is wrong, that is wrong. etc.

I look at it this way. You make the personal choice to do this program. It works, it is in most cases medically supervised and fine in my opinion. It is not worth the arguing with JohnP.

If you like IP and it is working, stick with it. Please do not let his arrogance change your thoughts. If he provokes a question about the program, research for yourself and if that does not work, ask your doctor or clinic.

I wasn't aware of the men's corner issue. That's really kind of sad. :?:

Originally Posted by juiceman11:
I would not waste your time with debating this with JohnP. We have already been through this in the Men's Corner and it got no where and posts deleted. He has a bit of arrogance that his way is the only right way and wants to try and debunk IP and turn others away. He has not medical credentials, no formal background, but wants to tell US, IPer's this is wrong, that is wrong. etc.

I look at it this way. You make the personal choice to do this program. It works, it is in most cases medically supervised and fine in my opinion. It is not worth the arguing with JohnP.

If you like IP and it is working, stick with it. Please do not let his arrogance change your thoughts. If he provokes a question about the program, research for yourself and if that does not work, ask your doctor or clinic.

Done not worth our efforts, and Sherbear will find what is best for them. Thanks Juice.

I wasn't really caring what JohnP said. His profile even says this goal is to get moderators to delete his posts.

I have been extremely appreciative of everyone's comments and have printed off the Alternative Products forum to read this weekend, as well as read the book. While I may not start Monday as i have to plan groceries for a family of 5 and already have money earmarked, I can gear up to plan, price and get ready to start in a week or two.

I will be posting and asking questions and doing a lot of reading.

Thanks,
Sher:carrot:

Originally Posted by sherbearjt08:
I wasn't really caring what JohnP said. His profile even says this goal is to get moderators to delete his posts.

I have been extremely appreciative of everyone's comments and have printed off the Alternative Products forum to read this weekend, as well as read the book. While I may not start Monday as i have to plan groceries for a family of 5 and already have money earmarked, I can gear up to plan, price and get ready to start in a week or two.

I will be posting and asking questions and doing a lot of reading.

Thanks,
Sher:carrot:

I now switched to all alternative products, but follow IP protocol. I switched about 6-7 weeks ago, look at my signature and the color change in WI # is when I switched. If you have questions I can try and help you.

I equate IP to eating bagged salad. Yes, it's expensive... BUT, it's also convenient and fits my lifestyle. My life, my choice.

Also, when you compare $4 each meal to having that bagel at the office with a cup of coffee ($3-ish?), or even having to get animal protein from another source, it's not that much more expensive.

As I have said repeatedly I am not against the IP diet. What I am against is the inaccurate information and selling of expensive supplements. The fact that the IP diet works does not mean the science that the author of the IP diet presents is accurate. One does not need credentials to have a working knowledge of how fat loss occurs or understand that "ideal protein packets" are marketing more than substance.

This isn't about me - so why make it so? Either the information is correct or it isn't.

A person came here because they were considering the IP diet. I've provided information and my opinion, nothing more. If that is upsetting you might want to ask yourself if you're too emotionally involved in your own decision to follow the IP diet.

Originally Posted by juiceman11:
I now switched to all alternative products, but follow IP protocol. I switched about 6-7 weeks ago, look at my signature and the color change in WI # is when I switched. If you have questions I can try and help you.

I think that is very smart move and others would be wise to seek your help if they want to save money too.

I very little about this program but wanted to say hello and good luck. I'm from
Wichita too!

Juiceman-

I'm seriously considering doing this diet, but not with the IP products. Unfortunately I do not have PMs yet, so that is not a viable way to contact you.

I plan on researching the stores in my area for Protein powders/ RTDs that are low carb and hi-cal, and using them along with some Lowcal Proteins.

Could you possibly list some of the products that you are currently using?

I've read that a lot of ppl are using the EA drinks...

Just don't know how long I can stay on a 3 drink 1 meal a day diet.

Thanks

Originally Posted by juiceman11:
I would not waste your time with debating this with JohnP. We have already been through this in the Men's Corner and it got no where and posts deleted. He has a bit of arrogance that his way is the only right way and wants to try and debunk IP and turn others away. He has not medical credentials, no formal background, but wants to tell US, IPer's this is wrong, that is wrong. etc.

I look at it this way. You make the personal choice to do this program. It works, it is in most cases medically supervised and fine in my opinion. It is not worth the arguing with JohnP.

If you like IP and it is working, stick with it. Please do not let his arrogance change your thoughts. If he provokes a question about the program, research for yourself and if that does not work, ask your doctor or clinic.

Thanks, Juiceman, I really just wanted to suggest he try that cliff dive he mentioned....

Originally Posted by MInewgoal:
Juiceman-

I'm seriously considering doing this diet, but not with the IP products. Unfortunately I do not have PMs yet, so that is not a viable way to contact you.

I plan on researching the stores in my area for Protein powders/ RTDs that are low carb and hi-cal, and using them along with some Lowcal Proteins.

Could you possibly list some of the products that you are currently using?

I've read that a lot of ppl are using the EA drinks...

Just don't know how long I can stay on a 3 drink 1 meal a day diet.

Thanks

So instead of doing 3 drinks a day and 1 meal, do 2 meals and 2 drinks. It means a drink for breakfast and one after dinner. That is Phase 2, and you can easily do that with alternative products that are equivalent to nutrition of IP (or better) I found Syntrax Nectar Protein powder today at netrition dot com and you can use that. Look at the Phases thread to get the Phase 2 sheet.