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Aunt Sheshie 01-18-2011 10:43 AM

Elizabeth, you are absolutely beautiful!.. an inspiration!.. thanks for posting your pictures & for your great explanation...

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Aunt Sheshie 01-18-2011 10:48 AM

For you folks who are reluctant to start weight training...

From Yahoo Health:

Originally Posted by :
Reach for the Tiny Weights

Don't knock yourself out with super-heavy lifting. You can make your muscles bigger and stronger by pumping the little stuff.

You just have to lift it more times. In a study, researchers found that the men who did 24 leg extensions with lighter weights built just as much muscle as the men who did 5 reps with heavier weights.

Read more at http://health.yahoo.net/tips/reach-for-the-tiny-weights...

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debonadiet 01-18-2011 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by deinekatze:
In response to DARBS7 but thought everyone could benefit from reading it

Hehehe not uncommon AT ALL...here is why the scale has not moved... you are gaining muscle as you lose fat!

People say "muscle weighs more than fat" but that is incorrect... 5lbs is 5lbs... http://www.clutchfitness.com/files/fat-v-muscle.jpgwhat is correct is muscle is less "bulky" or it occupies less space than fat does AND it helps you continue to burn more fat!

My advice to you is... STEP AWAY FROM THE SCALE ;-) Seriously, focus more on your inches lost than the number on the scale... ultimately that is our goal right? To fit in our clothes?

A client of mine at the gym came to me once and said "I don't get it the weight is not coming off now but everyone tells me how much I have lost and I notice how lose my clothes fit!" hahaha Yes, completely normal. We obsess over a number on the scale so much that we forget about how we feel and look.

Let me put it this way... When I modeled for a living I was a size 6 at about 130lbs...
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_RKyKVJuSzYQ/TH...olio%20008.JPG
when I became a trainer I got to a size 6 and was about 150lbs...
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_RKyKVJuSzYQ/S7...years%2007.jpg
see what I mean? And believe me, I was healthier and looked better as a trainer :-D

Keep up the good work and I PROMISE YOU you will see results...also never weigh yourself AFTER working out... you will see you actually went up!...your muscles expand when you work out and fill with water and such so it is normal... nothing to freak out over. it is a normal process... and PLEASE be assured that you will not BULK UP... it is quite difficult for women to bulk up like men do.

THank you for this post! i am quite muscular and weigh more than others my "size". And for the info that it's tough for women to bulk up-- so many folks are confused by that!

debonadiet 01-18-2011 09:55 PM

I'm considering training for a race and was wondering about the amount of carbs i would need for a fair amount of running. I've done 5 and 10k races in the past, and i'm feeling motivated to try again. However, i don't want to affect the results i'm having w/ my diet. I can always start my running after i get to my goal weight. does anybody have any ideas on this? i would really appreciate some input.

deinekatze 01-19-2011 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by debonadiet:
I'm considering training for a race and was wondering about the amount of carbs i would need for a fair amount of running. I've done 5 and 10k races in the past, and i'm feeling motivated to try again. However, i don't want to affect the results i'm having w/ my diet. I can always start my running after i get to my goal weight. does anybody have any ideas on this? i would really appreciate some input.

there is no secret formula... only you know your body and I would gauge it as you go. Keep the proteins up and see. Go slowly and LISTEN to what your body needs/wants... most of us ignore it but truly it is our bodies that tell us when we need something and when we don't. Most of us gain weight because we don't just stop eating when we feel satiated... we MUST finish our plate! Such a horrible thing our upbringing has done for most of us.

so LISTEN to your body...it will guide you

Aunt Sheshie 01-20-2011 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by deinekatze:
so LISTEN to your body...it will guide you

EXCELLENT!!!.. I wonder if, as a child, I ever learned to listen to my body... I just ate when it was mealtime, no matter what time of day that was, plus a snack after school... my mother was, & still is, an excellent cook, but her dishes weren't always the healthiest... growing up on a farm, I had plenty of outdoor activity, work & play, but it was just the natural thing to do, not something I thought about... now is really the first time in my life I've really been listening to my body, trying to give it what it needs... thanks so much for your reminder...

I'm wondering if I've been lax in my workouts because I got bored with what I was doing... all last summer it was the same thing, NordicTrack, kettlebells, & yoga... it served me well, but all of a sudden last fall I just wanted to quit... it's been a major effort to start up again... so I decided that I'm going to try mixing it up daily... my old workout 2 or 3 times a week, but other things the other days... today I did Leslie Sansone's "Walk & Jog", 30 minutes of intermittent walking & jogging in place in my living room, plus some of her other kicks & knee lifts & arm movements thrown in here & there... later, I'll probably do a few sets of wall pushups & chest pulls with an elastic band & maybe a few squats... I have some dance exercise DVDs that I can do on other days... all that variety should make me look forward more to working out... at least, I hope so...

Speaking of squats, yesterday I was looking online for some different exercises & came across a video of a guy doing Hindu squats... very interesting!.. I tried a few & discovered I'm not coordinated enough to do it well, but maybe will a little practice I'll get the hang of it... you have to do them relatively quickly just to keep you balance, so in addition to the workout they give your thighs & glutes, you can get a little cardio too...

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YankeeFan14040 01-23-2011 12:13 AM

Thank you so much for all of the info regarding exercising while being on IP. Previous to IP, I was jogging 5k twice a week and now I know why I wasn't burning the fat, thanks to Elizabeth's HR % posts. Would you see anything wrong with starting the P90X routine 3 days a week mixed with runs 2x a week? I am just starting week 2 of IP after taking off exercising for about a month. I have a PT test in a few months and need to get my run time down to about 16:00 2 miles. I currently only take 3 IP packs a day plus the 5 oz of chicken or 7 oz of fish in the evening. Thanks for your help.

ladyvrod 01-23-2011 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by YankeeFan14040:
Thank you so much for all of the info regarding exercising while being on IP. Previous to IP, I was jogging 5k twice a week and now I know why I wasn't burning the fat, thanks to Elizabeth's HR % posts. Would you see anything wrong with starting the P90X routine 3 days a week mixed with runs 2x a week? I am just starting week 2 of IP after taking off exercising for about a month. I have a PT test in a few months and need to get my run time down to about 16:00 2 miles. I currently only take 3 IP packs a day plus the 5 oz of chicken or 7 oz of fish in the evening. Thanks for your help.

I am by no means an expert. Others on here are more so than I .................. but as a former bodybuilder adding more protein is going to be VERY important if you are exercising that much on IP. Add a 4th IP protein and I would say it should be a restricted protein and to each more of the carbie veggies. Just my $.02. I am sure you will get much more advice.

deinekatze 01-24-2011 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by YankeeFan14040:
Thank you so much for all of the info regarding exercising while being on IP. Previous to IP, I was jogging 5k twice a week and now I know why I wasn't burning the fat, thanks to Elizabeth's HR % posts. Would you see anything wrong with starting the P90X routine 3 days a week mixed with runs 2x a week? I am just starting week 2 of IP after taking off exercising for about a month. I have a PT test in a few months and need to get my run time down to about 16:00 2 miles. I currently only take 3 IP packs a day plus the 5 oz of chicken or 7 oz of fish in the evening. Thanks for your help.

I agree with Lady... add more protein and like I said above, gauge your body, don't just shock it over night with all at once or you will crash. Start slowly. Any exercise is good because you can be thin and out of shape. I believe in the wholeness approach... watch your food but also move, you know? you will have to play with your proteins a bit and maybe some fats too for energy (omegas and such) We are all different and have different ways of metabolizing and oxidizing ... example, I am a fast oxidizer...So I need the fats or I feel starved all day. But you may not be. So LISTEN to your body

Here is a little info on that... may be interesting to some of you

Metabolic Typing: Slow-Oxidizers, Fast-Oxidizers
by Virginia Worthington, PhD

In the early 1950s, California biochemist Dr. George Watson1 was studying metabolic abnormalities in psychiatric patients when he discovered that individual patients differed in how they metabolized fats and carbohydrates into energy. Using this information, Dr. Watson was able to categorize people according to their energy metabolism and to prescribe corrective diets and supplements. Later, Dr. William Kelley incorporated this system of metabolic typing into his treatments for cancer and other degenerative diseases. In this article, we will look at Dr. Watson’s system along with some practical applications.

Converting Food to Energy
To understand this idea, we first need to know a little about how food is converted into energy. In the body, the food that a person eats is broken down and processed to produce energy. Carbohydrates and fats must both be burned or oxidized in appropriate amounts before energy can be produced in the Krebs cycle. Excess protein may also be used for energy, with certain amino acids from protein being processed like fat and certain others like carbohydrates.



Dr. Watson found that a person could have problems if carbohydrates were oxidized at too fast or too slow a rate in relation to fats. Those who burned carbohydrates too fast were labeled as fast-oxidizers and those who burned them too slowly as slow-oxidizers. Using more familiar terms, fast-oxidizers were those with functional hypoglycemia and slow-oxidizers were individuals who functioned as diabetics.

Fast-Oxidizers
Dr. Watson found that certain foods and nutrients were good for each group and that the diet and nutrients that helped one group made the other group worse. Fast-oxidizers felt better on a diet that was high in fatty meats and low in simple carbohydrates. This diet provides fats and purines (a part of RNA and DNA) that are helpful in the processing of fats. Furthermore, fast-oxidizers functioned better using certain vitamins and minerals that are essential for the oxidation of fats. The overall result of using the diet and nutrients for fast-oxidizers is that the processing of fats is speeded up. Foods and nutrients for fast-oxidizers are shown in Table 1.

Slow-Oxidizers
In contrast, slow-oxidizers felt better on a diet consisting of carbohydrates, fruits, vegetables, fish and dairy products. Nutrients that are involved in the processing of carbohydrates are helpful to slow-oxidizers. Food and nutrients that Dr. Watson found to be better for slow-oxidizers are shown in Table 2.

Table 1. Foods and Nutrients for Fast-Oxidizers

1. Proteins: protein foods with a high purine content such as liver, kidney and other organ meats, meat gravies and soups, herring, sardines, mussels and caviar, protein foods with a moderate purine content such as other cuts of meat, chicken, turkey, other fish and seafood, mushrooms, yeast and legumes such as lentils, beans and peanuts

2. Vegetables: purine containing vegetables such as avocado, artichoke hearts, beans, peas, lentils, cauliflower, spinach, asparagus additional vegetables such as carrots and celery

3. Starches: purine containing starches such as whole-grain breads and cereals

4. Sweets: pastries high in fat and low in flour, such as cheese cake, tortes, Danish pastries, etc.

5. Fats: lard and butter

6. Miscellaneous: avoid catchup, spicy sauces, soft drinks, coffee, tea, beer, wine, or other alcoholic beverages

7. Nutrients: Vitamin A, vitamin E, vitamin B12, niacinamide, pantothenic acid, choline, inositol, citrus bioflavonoids, calcium, iodine, phosphorus, sodium and zinc


Table 2. Food and Nutrients for Slow-oxidizers

1. Proteins: milk, buttermilk, cottage cheese, eggs, fish (except herring, sardines, anchovies, tuna, salmon)

2. Salads: lettuce, green peppers, onions, radishes, cabbage, pickles, cucumbers, etc.

3. Starches: potatoes, rice, spaghetti, macaroni, bread, crackers, cereals, etc.

4. Sweets: fruit, jams, jellies, pastries, ice cream, candy, gelatin desserts, etc.

5. Fats: replace lard and butter with vegetable oils such as olive oil

6. Miscellaneous: no hard alcoholic beverages

7. Nutrients: Vitamin D, vitamin K, vitamin C, biotin, folic acid, vitamin B1, vitamin B2, niacin, vitamin B6, PABA, iron, potassium, magnesium, copper, chloride and manganese


Balanced-Oxidizers
A third group of people, those with normal metabolism, were balanced-oxidizers. They required a variety of foods with balanced quantities of protein, fat and carbohydrate in order to feel well. These people benefited from a wide range of nutrients.

It should also be noted that the oxidation rate does not necessarily stay the same although people may have a constitutional tendency to be a slow- or fast- or balanced oxidizers. Many normal people will oxidize both fat and carbohydrate more slowly than usual as they are catching a cold or flu and return to normal oxidation rates when they are no longer sick. Moreover, Dr. William Kelley found that cancer patients were initially fast-oxidizers but sometimes changed to slow-oxidizers after following his treatment for several months.(2)

Nutrition & The Mind
Using his diet therapies, Dr. Watson was able to help the subgroup of psychiatric patients that had abnormal energy metabolism. In some cases, dramatic changes occurred as symptoms such as anxiety, depression and paranoid delusion were replaced by normal optimistic personality traits. Furthermore, Dr. Watson was able to induce psychiatric symptoms in normal people by giving them a restricted diet. When the diet was restricted in fat and protein, all of the normal individuals experienced adverse personality changes. The impact of dietary restriction varied with the individual producing symptoms ranging from social withdrawal, anxiety, and depression all the way to violence and psychosis. These results underscore the importance of nutrition for emotional well-being.

Laboratory Tests
How do you know if you are a slow-, fast- or balanced-oxidizer? Dr. Watson devised both laboratory tests and a food preference test to determine what type of metabolism a person had.

Unfortunately, these tests are not perfectly accurate in detecting abnormal oxidation rates. The glucose tolerance test, for example, misses some fast-oxidizers. Dr. Watson used other more accurate tests, but these tests are not generally available today.

Food preference Tests
Fast-, slow- and balanced-oxidizers have different food preferences and reactions to foods. The preferences for fast- and slow-oxidizers are shown in Table 4. If your food preferences and reactions are predominantly from the fast-oxidizer column then you have a tendency to be a fast-oxidizer. Conversely, if your food reactions fall mainly in the slow-oxidizer column, then you have a tendency to be a slow-oxidizer. Balanced-oxidizers will have some reactions and tendencies from both columns.

Table 4. Food Preferences and Reactions for Fast- and Slow-Oxidizers

Fast-Oxidizers

Likes potatoes
Grapefruit juice tastes too sour
Mustard tastes & smells too sharp
Likes avocados, olives, mayonnaise
Likes salty foods
Sweet foods often taste too sweet
Likes bacon with meats
Coffee causes jitteryness
Requires breakfast
When nauseous, salty food helps
Feels weak if doesn’t eat every 2-3 hours
Likes well-done roast beef

Slow-Oxidizers

Likes grapefruit juice
Likes mustard
Finds avocados too fatty
Craves sweet & sour foods
Sweets increase appetite
Likes onions with meats
Likes coffee
Doesn’t want breakfast
When nauseous, sweet or sour foods help
Gets thirsty & drinks a lot of water

Practical Applications
This method of describing metabolic types has some practical implications for picking the correct type of diet for a particular person. Fast-oxidizers do best on low-carbohydrate, high-protein diet with adequate quantities of fat and high-purine foods. In contrast, slow-oxidizers feel the best with a low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet with low-purine protein sources such as eggs, milk, cheese and fish. Balanced-oxidizers can eat a diet somewhere in between.

Another application of this work is the use of purine-containing foods to control hypoglycemia. Purines, as you may remember from science classes, are two of the four bases used to make up the genetic code in DNA and RNA. As noted earlier, purines assist in the processing of fats, necessary help for hypoglycemics. Typically, diets for hypoglycemia stress high protein consumption and frequent meals. The selection of proteins and other foods with a higher purine content can improve the efficacy of a hypoglycemic diet. This is an especially important consideration for vegetarians since they tend to eat lower quantities of protein than meat-eaters do.

Linden 01-25-2011 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by deinekatze:

Here is a little info on that... may be interesting to some of you

Metabolic Typing: Slow-Oxidizers, Fast-Oxidizers
by Virginia Worthington, PhD

Thank you so much, Elizabeth. This is a fascinating article.

oreilla 01-25-2011 09:15 PM

Well this was an excellent read.... My IP consultant asked me to stop exercising :/ low cals, I guess... I guess I will start that up, and tone it down some, but cant wait to see the results .... will be even better .... :)))

deinekatze 01-28-2011 07:37 PM

they just want you to keep your heart rate down... you can walk all you like ;-)

30flirtyandthriving 02-01-2011 10:54 PM

I know they say not to but...
 
I didn't exercise much when I did IP the first time and while the weight loss was incredible, the softness of my body was not! Callenetics is amazing, I have done it myself and love it. Pilates is also great. I am definitely doing some deep toning stuff this time around to be firmer in the end.

Aunt Sheshie 02-04-2011 11:55 AM

This quote is taken from a thread in 3FC's Exercise Forum (not our IP Exercise thread):

Originally Posted by Serval87:
I read in my mom's Fitness magazine, that people should be moving 15 minutes for every hour, because most people are too stationary. So, I was wondering, would exercising for 15 minutes every hour that you are awake, result in a lot of calories burned? Or would it not work as good, because you aren't exercising continually for more than 15 minutes at a time? I hope that isn't confusing. lol.

Notice it says "moving 15 minutes for every hour".. not necessarily exercising 15 minutes every hour... I'm thinking 15 minutes is a bit much for me, but maybe I can manage 5 or 10... of course, I'll still continue my regular exercise routine, but getting up & walking around every hour -- on purpose! -- would be a good addition...

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locks 02-04-2011 12:28 PM

I have only just started with IP, but my coach told me to continue training, it will keep me toned and strong. I had started exercising two weeks before IP, its circut training, mixture of weights and aerobics.

She told me not to worry about how hard I train, but to make sure I wasnt going hungry. I should take a protien packet after training. Five is the maximum your allowed each day.

I find right now I cant exercise that hard anyways, seems I dont have the reserve strength, but It does feel good knowing I am moving at least.


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