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des1187 02-20-2012 02:53 PM

I'm so conflicted about exercising while on IP (I just started.) I used to be a work out freak and I can't imagine losing weight without exercise. I think I will wait to see how much weight I lose without exercising and if I'm not satisfied maybe I will add 30 minutes of walking. There is so much conflicting information about it and reading it all can be so overwhelming! :/

Momto2cs 02-22-2012 05:12 PM

Bump

legacy7 02-22-2012 09:05 PM

exercise?
 
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Originally Posted by wuv2bloved (Post 4222565)
I just read this on an Ideal Protein Facebook page...Thought I would pass it along.....

I am sharing an answer that i just read on a different page about the same question ,here it goes ,by ``Julie Watson`` Do not do aerobic exercise while on a ketosis diet. You can do walking and light strength training, but do not allow yourself to sweat or to be out of breath. You no longer have your glycogen (stored glucose) for the added energy needed, ...and you will burn muscle. If after you have been on protocol for 3 weeks, you can do light walking and or lite yoga or pilates but please make sure to eat/drink an exctra non-restrictecd protein within 45 minutes of completion. When you hit your Ideal Weight and go back into glucose burning, then you can work out all you want. We had a conference call a couple months back, and the head medical person with Ideal Protein said 25 years of statistics show that people who do hard aerobic exercise on this protocol burn muscle and have stalled wieght loss. The coaches at Ideal Weight want nothing more than to help you SUCCEED!!!


My coach encouraged me to exercise at week 4-so I did. My weight loss has stayed about the same-maybe increased a bit-but my muscle percentage is climbing. I've been doing jillian michaels for beginners and bob's kettle ball.

CassiR 03-17-2012 11:55 PM

bump :)

bethanym 03-18-2012 12:07 AM

My Fitbit showed that I was low on movement today, even though I was pooped from cleaning carpets....I guess arm movement didn't count, lol.

So I just made myself take a 20 minute walk even though it was pretty late. Now I just need to keep doing this every day!

CassiR 03-19-2012 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by deinekatze (Post 3416465)
To measure your heart rate either use a heart rate monitor (the easier way) or here is how:
Measuring Heart Rate

Measuring Heart RateYour heart rate can be taken at any spot on the body at which an artery is close to the surface and a pulse can be felt. The most common places to measure heart rate using the palpation method is at the wrist (radial artery) and the neck (carotid artery). Other places sometimes used are the elbow (brachial artery) and the groin (femoral artery). You should always use your fingers to take a pulse, not your thumb, particularly when recording someone else's pulse, as you can sometimes feel your own pulse through your thumb.
Manual Method

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Measuring Heart RateCarotid Pulse (neck) - To take your heart rate at the neck, place your first two fingers on either side of the neck. Be careful not too press to hard, then count the number of beats for a minute.
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Radial Pulse (wrist) - place your index and middle fingers together on the opposite wrist, about 1/2 inch on the inside of the joint, in line with the index finger. Once you find a pulse, count the number of beats you feel within a one minute period.

You can estimate the per minute rate by counting over 10 seconds and multiplying this figure by 6, or count over 15 seconds and multiply by 4, or over 30 seconds and doubling the result. There are obvious potential errors by using this shorthand method. If you have a heart rate monitor, this will usually give you an accurate reading.

here is how you figure out the percentage you are in. First figure out your Maximum Heart Rate
Maximum Heart Rate = 220 - AGE
so if 100% is your MHR, multiply your HR by 100 and dive it by your MHR

NOW, here is WHY IP wants you to stay in the LOWER end of your HR

Healthy Heart Zone

* This zone is 50 to 60% of your maximum heart rate. This is an easy and comfortable zone to exercise in.
* You will be able to carry on a full conversation in this zone, although you may be breathing a little heavier than usual.
* Walkers are often in this zone unless they press themselves to walk faster. Fitness walkers may alternate days of walking in this zone with days of exercising in the higher heart rate zones, to give a recovery/easy day.
* Your workout in this zone is less intense and won't give the most cardiorespiratory training benefits. But studies have shown that it works to help decrease body fat, blood pressure and cholesterol.
* In this zone, the body derives it energy by burning 10% carbohydrates, 5% protein and 85% fat.
* Healthy Heart Walking Workout

Fitness Zone

* This zone is from 60 to 70% of your maximum heart rate.
* You will be breathing heavier but will still be able to speak in short sentences.
* You burn more calories per minute than in the healthy heart zone because the exercise is a little more intense - you are going faster and therefore covering more distance. The calories burned depend on the distance you cover and your weight more than any other factors.
* In this zone, your body fuels itself with 85% fat, 5% protein, and 10% carbohydrate.
* You get the same health benefits and fat-burning benefits as the healthy heart zone.
* Fat-Burning Walking Workout

Aerobic Zone

* This zone is from 70-80% of your maximum heart rate.
* You will be breathing very hard and able only to speak in short phrases.
* This is the zone to aim for when training for endurance. It spurs your body to improve your circulatory system by building new blood vessels, and increases your heart and lung capacity.
* Aiming for 20 to 60 minutes in this zone is believed to give the best fitness training benefits.
* You burn 50% of your calories from fat , 50% from carbohydrate, and less than 1% from protein.<--- notice the difference? the goal is to burn more fat on IP
* With the increase in intensity, you burn more calories in the same amount of time, as you are covering more distance in that same time. Calories burned depend most on distance and your weight. If you go further in the same time, you burn more calories per minute.
* You may not be able to achieve this heart rate by walking, you may have to use racewalking technique or switch to jogging to get into this heart rate zone.
* Aerobic Walking Workout

Anaerobic Zone - Threshold Zone


* This zone is 80 to 90% of your maximum heart rate.
* You will be unable to speak except a single, gasped word at a time.
* This intense exercise will improve the amount of oxygen you can consume - your VO2 maximum.
* This exertion level takes you to the limit where your body begins to produce lactic acid. Racewalkers use this zone to build their ability to go even faster.
* Workouts in this heart rate zone should be in the 10 to 20 minute range, or part of an interval training workout.
* You burn more calories per minute than with the lower heart rate workouts, as you are covering more distance per minute.
* The body burns 85% carbohydrates, 15% fat and less than 1% protein in this zone. <--- IP is already very low carb... so imagine doing this to yourself
* You may not be able to achieve this heart rate by walking, you may need to use the racewalking technique or switch to jogging/running.
* Anaerobic Threshold Walking Workout

Red-Line Zone

* The top zone is from 90 to 100% of your maximum heart rate. You can't go any higher, and most people can't stay in this zone for more than a few minutes.
* You will be unable to speak except for gasping single words.
* This zone should only be used for short bursts during interval training, where you work intensely for a minute and then drop back down to a lower intensity for several minutes, and repeat.
* You should consult with your doctor to ensure you can work out at such a high heart rate safely.
* While you burn lots of calories per minute in this zone, 90% of them are carbohydrates, 10% fats, and less than 1% protein.

Hope that answers your questions on that

bumping this thread and this is really what I go by when I work out
Here is a link to find out what you're heart rates are: http://www.fitnessmagazine.com/worko...ail=2262519902

momof2greatcats 03-19-2012 09:14 PM

Thanks for bumping this thread. Over the course of the day (yes, DAY - this thread is 25 pages long!!) I've read the entire thread. So much good stuff in here.

CassiR 03-21-2012 07:48 PM

bump bump bump

:trampo:

DanafromAustin 03-22-2012 10:36 AM

I have found in the past few weeks that increasing my workout days to five days per week, which is mostly strength training with some light cardio, that my muscle mass has increased and my body fat is finally really starting to move down. Being in my mid 50's was making it hard to loose body fat even with this diet and only working out here and there during the week. Yet my daughter, who is only 23 lost body fat with no problem just by diet alone. I may have to work harder at this then my 23 year old daughter, but boy does it feel good to be in my body now.

MustangMolly 03-22-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DanafromAustin (Post 4263441)
I have found in the past few weeks that increasing my workout days to five days per week, which is mostly strength training with some light cardio, that my muscle mass has increased and my body fat is finally really starting to move down. Being in my mid 50's was making it hard to loose body fat even with this diet and only working out here and there during the week. Yet my daughter, who is only 23 lost body fat with no problem just by diet alone. I may have to work harder at this then my 23 year old daughter, but boy does it feel good to be in my body now.

Hi Dana, I am curious what type of work out you do. Before I started IP I was doing the curves circuit workout 3 times a week. I stopped working out for the first 3 weeks and then went back to curves but kept my heart rate around 70%---I also added an extra packet. Well my weight loss stopped and I even added some pounds so after reading much of the exercise thread I just stopped it all together. I would really like to start adding some exercise to help with the fat burning. I quit my coach about two months ago so I turn to the 3FC folks for guidance. I presently do wall pushups, waist isolation exercises and some light stretching. Thanks for any suggestions!
:exercise::ebike::strong::trampo::woops:

Sewmam 03-22-2012 12:39 PM

I was incapable of exercise when I started due to chronic fatigue and being 300 pds, but now that I'm phasing off, I'm really enjoying it. Still can't do much, but it builds over time. All I can do now is 5 minutes on the elyptical, 5 minutes on the rebounder (mini-trampoline), 20 crunches and 20 leg lifts, and a 1/2 mile walk down the road. I live across from a forest with beautiful trails. I used to walk them everyday, but the loops run at least 2 miles, so that's my goal, to increase to where I can walk in the woods again...

Also just bought one of those rubber bands so I want to start some work on my arms.

Lots of great info on this thread! Thanks!

mooselover 04-05-2012 08:32 PM

I started walking (about a 3.0 mph) about a week ago and I have have felt horrible ever since. I used to exercise all the time before IP. I am going to stop and see if I start feeling better again. This really surprised me :(

MustangMolly 04-06-2012 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mooselover (Post 4282469)
I started walking (about a 3.0 mph) about a week ago and I have have felt horrible ever since. I used to exercise all the time before IP. I am going to stop and see if I start feeling better again. This really surprised me :(

I had been on IP about a month and I returned to my Curves workout...I had been doing Curves for at least a year before starting IP...anyway, I was careful to keep my heart rate in the 60-70% range and added the extra packet and not only did I feel horrible my weight loss came to a screeching hault and I started adding weight. I understand that building muscle can add weight but lets face it, I wasn't exactly weight lifting. Anyway, I stopped the Curves and things got back to normal. I have now added some "wall" pushups, situps and basic stretching and that has been good. I think I will add some tai chi or yoga next.

mooselover 04-06-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MustangMolly (Post 4282876)
I had been on IP about a month and I returned to my Curves workout...I had been doing Curves for at least a year before starting IP...anyway, I was careful to keep my heart rate in the 60-70% range and added the extra packet and not only did I feel horrible my weight loss came to a screeching hault and I started adding weight. I understand that building muscle can add weight but lets face it, I wasn't exactly weight lifting. Anyway, I stopped the Curves and things got back to normal. I have now added some "wall" pushups, situps and basic stretching and that has been good. I think I will add some tai chi or yoga next.

Oh thank you for your reply!!! I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt this way. I do not need to be stalling or gaining at this point. I am not ready for that reality yet. I need to see the scale move downward!!! I have decided to stop exercising until I am closer to my goal :D

qsuzi1 04-09-2012 06:04 PM

Thanks to everyone posting information on exercise.

izzycracker 04-12-2012 06:58 PM

I do the treadmill run, jog, walk for like 45 minutes a day then push ups, crunches. sometimes I use the elliptical and do weight machines. Someday my lazy days I go for a nice long walk outside. I try to mix it up. I do use the wii I should add. I have fitness coach and zumba. Those can be fun sometimes. I try to burn about 500 to 600 calories with the work out. I am getting ready to start kickboxing which will help alot. I used to do it but then moved from the area.

licaba 04-12-2012 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by izzycracker (Post 4291314)
I do the treadmill run, jog, walk for like 45 minutes a day then push ups, crunches. sometimes I use the elliptical and do weight machines. Someday my lazy days I go for a nice long walk outside. I try to mix it up. I do use the wii I should add. I have fitness coach and zumba. Those can be fun sometimes. I try to burn about 500 to 600 calories with the work out. I am getting ready to start kickboxing which will help alot. I used to do it but then moved from the area.


Hi Izzy,
i was reading through the many exercise posts in this thread and was happy to find yours from today. We have very similar stats!! I have been working out with a trainer since before starting IP in January but in the past 2-3 weeks we have stepped it up a notch and she estimates I am burning 5-600 calories a session. Today at my weigh I stayed the same. After reading through the thread I am concerned my exercising is doing more harm than good. Are you strictly on IP? Do you eat differently on days you exercise? Any info would be helpful. I eat an extra pack, half before and half after, beginning to wonder if its enough.:)

Momto2cs 04-13-2012 12:55 AM

I found some weeks too much exercise caused my losses to slow, although that was closer to goal...just remember tat if you burn 500 calories in an hour, you would have burned 200-300 just lounging around...it is not additive. Just an extra 200 or so

Busymomx4 04-13-2012 08:33 AM

Good morning everyone

I'm so excited :) yesterday we (family) registered at the Y and I get 3 sessions with a trainer and going for my first one this sunday morning (8am ugh). I'm only going to be doing weight training, no cardio and will also do yoga and pilates. Originally, i planned on waiting until i was done to exercise but with all the loose skin i have (even on my knees), i figured its best to try and do something now. Also, for the pool, is doing laps considered cardio or toning? I don't want to do anything that will require an extra pack or me going in starvation mode.

Anything else i can/should do? Thanks :)

natalie70 04-16-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Momto2cs (Post 4291627)
I found some weeks too much exercise caused my losses to slow, although that was closer to goal...just remember tat if you burn 500 calories in an hour, you would have burned 200-300 just lounging around...it is not additive. Just an extra 200 or so

Did you do exercise during you first few weeks? I havn't changed my exercise activity from prior to setting back OP. I use a heart rate monitor to check how many calories I burn, do I need to adjust the 200-300 calories from the total that my heart rate said I burned?

Momto2cs 04-16-2012 04:51 PM

No, but just remember you are always burning calories, so the monitor does tell you what you burned, but that includes you no exercise burn too...

I never stopped exercising. The first week was tiring, but not impossible.

natalie70 04-16-2012 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Momto2cs (Post 4296198)
No, but just remember you are always burning calories, so the monitor does tell you what you burned, but that includes you no exercise burn too...

I never stopped exercising. The first week was tiring, but not impossible.

That is what I found last week, today much better. Thanks for the help!!

qsuzi1 05-04-2012 07:57 PM

Page from Coachs' IP Document RE Exercise
 
"Why is exercise NOT recommended during the IP Program Weight Loss"

"Dieters on the protocol are on a very low caloric diet, yet their body is acually "getting more calories" than they were prior to starting our protocol. Why? Because they are burning (using their fate stores ) fat. They are getting about 900 Kcals per day from the foods they are eating (on Phase 1) but if they lose 4 lbs per weeks (on average) 4x3500 Kcal/lb of fat means 14,000 Kcal/week, divide by 7 equals 2000 Kcals per day. They are actually consuming 900Kcal + 2000 Kcals = 2900 Kcals per day. Understand their bodies must make the necessary enzymes to fully burn the ketonic bodies that are produced from fat metabolism (beta oxidation). It takes about 2 weeks for this to happen. During the first 3 weeks, your body is getting the necessary "enzymatic machinery" in place so it can use 100% of the ketonic bodies (for cellular fuel) that your body is producing from burning the fat. In the first couple of weeks, it cannot use all of them and you breathe them out (acetone breath), "pee them out" or you excrete excess ketones in your feces.
If your blood sugar gets too low during this time period, the proteins we supply and the muscle you have can undergo gluconeogenesis and glucose can be produced.
If you increase the glucose demand (i.e., exercise vigorously during these first 3 weeks) you will increase gluconeogensis markedly. This CAN result in muscle loss, SOMETHING YOU WANT TO AVOID!!!! If you MUST exercise during the first 3 weeks, please do it lightly (1/3 to 1/2 your normal intensity) or not at all. Here's the beauty of the program: During this period...you literally are "peeing out calories" without having to exercise!!! You will lose the same amount of weight, but will not risk losing muscle. This is not about calories in - calories out, it's about hormones and metabolism. They were fighting a hormone (Insulin) before and you can't exercise your way out of that, the hormone always wins. After the first 3 weeks, you may exercise, but please keep in mind: *Do not get overly tired. .Supplements are a must! (serious cardiac problems can result; arrythmias, tachycardia, etc.) *Keep well hydrated, if exercising you must increase your water."

Hope this information is helpful.

dizzyjean 05-19-2012 02:42 PM

I am a newbie, so I was told not to exercise the first 2 weeks of the program. In 2 weeks, I lost 9 pounds. Then, being told I could exercise, I jogged 2 days for a total of 3.25 miles. At this WI today, I had only lost 1.5 pounds, and my lean muscle mass was up. The told me to just walk for a few weeks. Sigh! But weigh loss is the goal, so i will do it.
Today I am spreading 10 bags of mulch. Haha, who knows what that will do!
Happy Saturday, y'all!

mompattie 06-06-2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by licaba (Post 4291366)
Hi Izzy,
i was reading through the many exercise posts in this thread and was happy to find yours from today. We have very similar stats!! I have been working out with a trainer since before starting IP in January but in the past 2-3 weeks we have stepped it up a notch and she estimates I am burning 5-600 calories a session. Today at my weigh I stayed the same. After reading through the thread I am concerned my exercising is doing more harm than good. Are you strictly on IP? Do you eat differently on days you exercise? Any info would be helpful. I eat an extra pack, half before and half after, beginning to wonder if its enough.:)

This is me exactly!!! I started May 8th and I love to bike!! I bike 3 times a week, 12-20 km each ride. The scale didn't move for 10 days so I added another packet - 4 total plus dinner protein. The scale is icing again, but ive been doing a lot of reading and I'm scared to burn muscle or organs!!! What should I do? I don't want to give up biking, maybe I should do the athletes protocol? Or add another restricted and burn up the carbs?? I dunno, the more I read the more confused I get! Thanks!

Momto2cs 06-06-2012 11:53 PM

I have been pretty much in phase 1 ish for a year. 3 months to lose, then maintenance, which for me has evolved into a very low carb diet. I exercise intensely 6 days a week. Many low carbers do!
I have never lost lean muscle. I feel great. I do try to keep my fat intake higher-more steak, less fish.
When in full out phase 1 for loss I did sometimes find more exercise caused less weight loss...other hormones like cortisol can be working against fat burning. But I like it too much.

explore 06-07-2012 05:46 AM

I have been trying to find out more about exercising on IP. From what I understand, exercise puts the body in stress mode (much like fight or flight) and causes the body to release cortisol, which makes the body produce glucose (i think through a process called gluconeogenesis). This is what slows the weight loss. The whole premise of the diet is to restrict the glucose, so it works against the diet. From what I have been reading with everyone's experiences, the exercise for men doesn't seem to slow their weight loss as much as women-- this is entirely my own conclusion. My coach likes people to not exercise on phase I but has a plan for people who do exercise. I do yoga (which is fine), but I also spin 2x/week. She has me eating an extra restricted on the days I do more intense exercise (cardio, like spinning). I normally eat 4 packets, but 2x/week when I spin I have an extra restricted 45 min. before class and then another restricted within 30 minutes of finishing class. I'm sure it's slowing my weight loss, but I'm in no rush. I don't recommend adding more food unless you talk with your coach. I do notice that I lose more on the days I don't exercise, but my coach said not to analyze that too much because I might just be retaining water on the days that I exercise. My summers are usually filled with riding my bike 30-40 miles on the weekends. Any advice out there for that? I would love to stay on diet, but I might have to transition off for at least August so I can enjoy my favorite sport. I would love to hear your exercise experiences!

infoplease 06-16-2012 01:55 AM

I wanted to bump this thread up as there has been some great discussion on the Friday, 6/15/12, Daily Thread as to timing of packets and lowering intensity of exercise.

MaMaZu 06-18-2012 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qsuzi1 (Post 4321244)
"Why is exercise NOT recommended during the IP Program Weight Loss"

"Dieters on the protocol are on a very low caloric diet, yet their body is acually "getting more calories" than they were prior to starting our protocol. Why? Because they are burning (using their fate stores ) fat. They are getting about 900 Kcals per day from the foods they are eating (on Phase 1) but if they lose 4 lbs per weeks (on average) 4x3500 Kcal/lb of fat means 14,000 Kcal/week, divide by 7 equals 2000 Kcals per day. They are actually consuming 900Kcal + 2000 Kcals = 2900 Kcals per day. Understand their bodies must make the necessary enzymes to fully burn the ketonic bodies that are produced from fat metabolism (beta oxidation). It takes about 2 weeks for this to happen. During the first 3 weeks, your body is getting the necessary "enzymatic machinery" in place so it can use 100% of the ketonic bodies (for cellular fuel) that your body is producing from burning the fat. In the first couple of weeks, it cannot use all of them and you breathe them out (acetone breath), "pee them out" or you excrete excess ketones in your feces.
If your blood sugar gets too low during this time period, the proteins we supply and the muscle you have can undergo gluconeogenesis and glucose can be produced.
If you increase the glucose demand (i.e., exercise vigorously during these first 3 weeks) you will increase gluconeogensis markedly. This CAN result in muscle loss, SOMETHING YOU WANT TO AVOID!!!! If you MUST exercise during the first 3 weeks, please do it lightly (1/3 to 1/2 your normal intensity) or not at all. Here's the beauty of the program: During this period...you literally are "peeing out calories" without having to exercise!!! You will lose the same amount of weight, but will not risk losing muscle. This is not about calories in - calories out, it's about hormones and metabolism. They were fighting a hormone (Insulin) before and you can't exercise your way out of that, the hormone always wins. After the first 3 weeks, you may exercise, but please keep in mind: *Do not get overly tired. .Supplements are a must! (serious cardiac problems can result; arrythmias, tachycardia, etc.) *Keep well hydrated, if exercising you must increase your water."

Hope this information is helpful.

Thought I would bump this quote for all the exercise questions from newbies.

yowzer 07-18-2012 05:25 PM

I have been on IP for 4 weeks with a 20 lb. loss. I haven't really exercised, as suggested. But I am feeling the call to work my kettlebells, maybe some light hiking. I was told to add another packet or a hard boiled egg after working out. I want to keep up my weight loss...but I am so happy with my momentum, as silly as it sounds I don't want to jinx it at all. Backpacking is my passion that I haven't done for at least 6-7 years, as I vowed to be carrying the extra weight in a pack, not in my body. But I am feeling very positive and hopeful and can see it in my future.

explore 07-20-2012 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yowzer (Post 4409524)
I have been on IP for 4 weeks with a 20 lb. loss. I haven't really exercised, as suggested. But I am feeling the call to work my kettlebells, maybe some light hiking. I was told to add another packet or a hard boiled egg after working out. I want to keep up my weight loss...but I am so happy with my momentum, as silly as it sounds I don't want to jinx it at all. Backpacking is my passion that I haven't done for at least 6-7 years, as I vowed to be carrying the extra weight in a pack, not in my body. But I am feeling very positive and hopeful and can see it in my future.

I agree with you about keeping up with the momentum of your great success. Light hiking is perfectly acceptable according to protocol. I believe that the type of exercise to refrain from is anything that gets your heart rate up. Personally, I would keep doing what you are doing for as long as possible.

puneri 07-22-2012 04:31 PM

Has any body used Retinol for cellulite removal? Is it permanent? I had a fall about 15 years ago. Due to that, my left thigh has more cellulite than my right thigh.
Help is appreciated.

yowzer 08-07-2012 07:30 PM

I have been on IP for 7 weeks. 30 lb. loss so far. I have been exercising approximately 40 minutes a day, alternating between light cardio and weights. I want to start putting in some longer bike rides...well long for me, 20 miles or so. I am also planning on some hiking in the mountains the next week or so. Any suggestions for supplementing with packets, bars etc...

infoplease 08-08-2012 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by yowzer (Post 4430635)
I have been on IP for 7 weeks. 30 lb. loss so far. I have been exercising approximately 40 minutes a day, alternating between light cardio and weights. I want to start putting in some longer bike rides...well long for me, 20 miles or so. I am also planning on some hiking in the mountains the next week or so. Any suggestions for supplementing with packets, bars etc...

In order to off suggestions, I need a little more information.
When you exercise the 40 minutes are you adding a non-restricted packet?
Are you eating a meal before or after?

How long are you thinking a hike or bike ride would be, an hour? 2 hours?

I would have a meal before the hike. Consider brining the mango pre-made drink (which tastes fine warm, in my opinion) or your favorite restricted or pack your shaker with ice & water and bring whatever your favorite drink packet is.

My coach would recommend only one restricted per day, but would suggest adding non-restricteds depending on the length of the activity or hard boiled eggs or jerky. Additionally, she would suggest that if you feel angry or extra hungry the NEXT day, add an additional packet.

You definitely want to add extra protein so that you don't end up burning your lean mass. It seems counterintuitive to add more calories when you are trying to burn them to lose fat, but you will likely find that it is what your body needs.

yowzer 08-08-2012 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infoplease (Post 4430872)
In order to off suggestions, I need a little more information.
When you exercise the 40 minutes are you adding a non-restricted packet?
Are you eating a meal before or after?

How long are you thinking a hike or bike ride would be, an hour? 2 hours?

I would have a meal before the hike. Consider brining the mango pre-made drink (which tastes fine warm, in my opinion) or your favorite restricted or pack your shaker with ice & water and bring whatever your favorite drink packet is.

My coach would recommend only one restricted per day, but would suggest adding non-restricteds depending on the length of the activity or hard boiled eggs or jerky. Additionally, she would suggest that if you feel angry or extra hungry the NEXT day, add an additional packet.

You definitely want to add extra protein so that you don't end up burning your lean mass. It seems counterintuitive to add more calories when you are trying to burn them to lose fat, but you will likely find that it is what your body needs.

Sometimes I add an extra non-restricted packet and sometimes not. I always have a drink prior starting exercise. But I did lose 1 lb of muscle this last week, So I need to be more mindful of this...Question: my coach said that there is water in the muscle so there will always be a little muscle loss, which I don't quite get.

My biking will probably be 8 mph or so, but there are some hills so there are going to be some times where I will be a little out of breath. All total, I think the ride will be a little over 2 hrs. The hiking will probably be 4-5 hrs total, with breaks between and same as the biking, a little out of breath during steep parts. ( I live in washington so there are hills everywhere). You know, I won't be at my goal weight (and that is another story because I am not sure what that should actually be) probably until the end of the year. It's summer finally here and I feel so good I just want to get out there and get the endorphens flowing.

infoplease 08-08-2012 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yowzer (Post 4431463)
Sometimes I add an extra non-restricted packet and sometimes not. I always have a drink prior starting exercise. But I did lose 1 lb of muscle this last week, So I need to be more mindful of this...Question: my coach said that there is water in the muscle so there will always be a little muscle loss, which I don't quite get.

My biking will probably be 8 mph or so, but there are some hills so there are going to be some times where I will be a little out of breath. All total, I think the ride will be a little over 2 hrs. The hiking will probably be 4-5 hrs total, with breaks between and same as the biking, a little out of breath during steep parts. ( I live in washington so there are hills everywhere). You know, I won't be at my goal weight (and that is another story because I am not sure what that should actually be) probably until the end of the year. It's summer finally here and I feel so good I just want to get out there and get the endorphens flowing.

OK, hmm.
Good on the extra packet. I know sometimes it seems you need it and sometimes it doesn't. A typical loss is going to be 1 pound of lean mass for every 4 pounds of scale weight. 1 pound of lean mass is going to include water. So if you lost 4lbs at your last weigh in and 1lb was lean mass, that would be expected.

2 hour bike ride with some hard hills: I would have a breakfast of one packet plus 2 whole eggs, go for ride then have lunch. Consider flipping lunch and dinner so you have 8 oz protein at lunch. Bring an IP snack for the ride, and eat it if you need it. Definitely bring salt and water; have some salt if you are overdoing it and feel lightheaded. Have dinner and bedtime snack as usual.

For the hike, I would start off the same way, an IP and 2 eggs for breakfast. Bring at least 2 packets. Think about eating about every 2 hours, depending on how you feel. After/during hike have lunch, dinner and bedtime snack as usual.

The day after the ride and hike, evaluate how you feel (cranky? ravenous?) and have an extra non-restricted those days.

If you have overdone it, you can expect the scale will go up the next day. It is likely the muscle holding on to water. Your WI may or may not be different for the week.

That is my opinion based on when I started at the gym, and advise my coach has given to athletes. Hopefully people who have done long bike rides and hikes will also post.

yowzer 08-09-2012 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by infoplease (Post 4431800)
OK, hmm.
Good on the extra packet. I know sometimes it seems you need it and sometimes it doesn't. A typical loss is going to be 1 pound of lean mass for every 4 pounds of scale weight. 1 pound of lean mass is going to include water. So if you lost 4lbs at your last weigh in and 1lb was lean mass, that would be expected.

2 hour bike ride with some hard hills: I would have a breakfast of one packet plus 2 whole eggs, go for ride then have lunch. Consider flipping lunch and dinner so you have 8 oz protein at lunch. Bring an IP snack for the ride, and eat it if you need it. Definitely bring salt and water; have some salt if you are overdoing it and feel lightheaded. Have dinner and bedtime snack as usual.

For the hike, I would start off the same way, an IP and 2 eggs for breakfast. Bring at least 2 packets. Think about eating about every 2 hours, depending on how you feel. After/during hike have lunch, dinner and bedtime snack as usual.

The day after the ride and hike, evaluate how you feel (cranky? ravenous?) and have an extra non-restricted those days.

If you have overdone it, you can expect the scale will go up the next day. It is likely the muscle holding on to water. Your WI may or may not be different for the week.

That is my opinion based on when I started at the gym, and advise my coach has given to athletes. Hopefully people who have done long bike rides and hikes will also post.

Thanks for your suggestions...we'll see how it goes.

yowzer 08-14-2012 05:37 PM

Sigh....Weigh in today and for the first time I actually gained 1.5 lbs. A little over half of that was muscle, but I am a bit sad about it. I knew this day would probably come because I have read about so many others stalling, gaining a bit, even though they have followed the protocol. My two bike rides this last week were at times strenuous because of the hills and the other days I would do half hour weights and half hour eliptical with a few kettlebell swings thrown in. I did add a couple protein packets and one egg. I guess what I should have done is reread the last post and follow the suggestions completely. But in my head I think "Hey, I am working out and maybe, just maybe I don't need to add so much extra protein and I'll lose even more weight."....I realize this is faulty reasoning, as I come from the school of "more is better" when it comes to exercise or overeating. Through life as my personal pendulum swings from one extreme to another, I pass through "moderation" but don't linger as much as I would like. "Progress not perfection" as the saying goes. I hate to think I am going to have to wait all the way through Phase 1 to actually "challenge" my body. But I just need to keep following the plan.

Fishette 09-06-2012 08:41 PM

Has anyone tried the "Slow Burn" or "Power of 10" method that the IP video coaches recommend?

sahmmommy2 10-09-2012 05:43 PM

I walk on the treadmill for 30 minutes at 5-7% grade at 3MPH while my daughter watches some cartoons. Nothing fancy. I'm hoping it will help me with any sagging skin I may have as I loose as well as build more muscle.


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