A ketogenic diet is a diet that restricts carbs enough to put you into ketosis... Atkins, IP, Medifast... are some examples... A paleo diet eliminates various carbs e.g. grains, etc. and could be ketogenic if someone chose to restrict carbs to that level... but it's quite easy to get more than enough carbs in a paleo diet to keep you out of ketosis... not hard to do at all...

Who ever you were hanging out with clearly had no idea what they were eating or doing. Cashews are 100% paleo. The only one in the nut category that aren't paleo are peanuts as they are actually a legume. It sounds like you are basing your knowledge of paleo on information that isn't even paleo.

I'm saying paleo isn't low carb, it is lower carb (than the western diet). A ketogenic diet is at the extreme end of paleo and very very low in carbs (under 20g a day) and very high in fats. Does that make sense?.

I am a paleo follower and have been since 2010, but I recently started a ketogenic version to shift weight I put on via medication as consuming a higher (not high) amount of carbs wasn't getting the weight off due to the medication changing my insulin levels. As I said keto is at the extreme end of paleo, so the veggies you consume are only lettuce, cucumber, zuchinni and a couple of others that are very very low in carbs and there is no fruit. A true keto diet has no cycle in it.

Organic food is not 100% protected from becoming genetically modified either due to the risk of crops being contaminated by nearby genetically modified crops through cross-fertilization. This is actually happening.

The reason it was debated was related to the toxins in cashews and it would've not been edible by paleolithic humans. (or so they believed) It wouldn't surprise me if Crossfit paleo doesn't match the official paleo as they tend to do things their own way.

They sound like primal eaters (marks daily apple style). Primal are somewhat fanatical about being just like their ideal Grok.

This is some great info on paleo: http://thepaleodiet.com/paleo-diet-faq/

Why grains aren't the best: A 1,000-calorie serving of whole grain cereal contains 15 times less calcium, three times less magnesium, 12 times less potassium, six times less iron, and two times less copper than a comparable serving of fresh vegetables. Moreover, whole grains contain a substance called phytate that almost entirely prevents the absorption of any calcium, iron, or zinc that is found in whole grains, whereas the type of iron, zinc, and copper found in lean meats and seafood is in a form that is highly absorbed.

Compared to fruits and veggies, cereal grains are B-vitamin lightweights. An average 1,000 calorie serving of mixed vegetables contains 19 times more folate, five times more vitamin B6, six times more vitamin B2 and two times more vitamin B1 than a comparable serving of eight mixed whole grains. On a calorie-by-calorie basis, the niacin content of lean meat and seafood is four times greater than that found in whole grains.

Thanks SnowPetal- I 'm currently doing IP which is low carb, and it has been a tremendous way for me to get to goal weight in a relatively short time.

Good Luck with your diet ,
Roo2

My philosophy is that everything doesn't have to be the most nutrient dense thing to be part of my diet. So yes grains have vitamins and for many of those vitamins, you can seek elsewhere. And I don't personally eat a lot of grains because sometimes I want something else. Like today for lunch, I am making a choice between brown rice or guacamole. So I'm having a bunch of veggies, beans and guacamole. Now I really like guacamole and I'm not particularly feeling brown rice today but other days it is different. Other times, I really like a bowl of veggies, brown rice, tofu and hot sauce.

Besides, for most people, they aren't replacing vegetable with grains, they are just generally omitting vegetables :) I eat a ton of veggies, especially since they are low calorie, get plenty of nutrients and I'm able to add grains in because my calorie count allows. Like my above example, I am swapping fat for grains in terms of calories but the nutrients aren't 1:1. It just generally works for me.

I think if people like Paleo or paleo-like diets, I do say go for it. Otherwise, find something that works for you.

Some may be interested in a thread I just posted in the carb section under 'other reduced carb diets' regarding insulin and obesity and why many specialists believe based on science that a paleo way of eating is the only way to fight obesity. It's an interesting read, even if you don't agree :)

I lean towards the paleo diet but it's a big statement to make that paleo is "the only way" considering that lots of diets work. Asian people eat a diet high in rice and seem to not suffer the same kind of obesity epidemic western diets do. Have you ever been to Italy? Those girls there are drop dead gorgeous while indulging in their gluten-full spaghetti. There IS a way to balance food and be healthy. I just can't do it. But I feel best when following a paleo-style diet.

In another thread, Nelie shared a TED talk from an anthropologist on the paleo diet and real paleolithic diets and what we can learn from them.

http://blog.tedx.com/post/4591417974...stina-warinner

She summed up the key points in this thread: http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/weig...ml#post4693351