Ugggghhhhh....when I think of all the money I wasted in goofy supplements...I WANNA SCREAMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!:crazy:

Save your money....eat less...move more!:)

Wouldn't it be nice if we could get a refund, in one lump sum, of all the money we've ever spent on useless weight-loss supplements, exercise equipment, and failed diet plans? Think of the shopping spree we could have with it all! :)

peanutt, any ethical "nutritionist" (which she DEFINITELY is not), would never recommend the kind of severe dehydration these contestants go through on that show, just to lose an enormous amount of weight for the segment. Dr. Snyder, whose book I mentioned, went into a bit of detail about what contestants go through. I do not blame the contestants for agreeing to whatever stupid advice Jillian Michaels gives them, just as I don't blame patients for taking lousy advice from a lousy doctor who then gets sued with malpractice.

She needs to be booted off the air, but in the culture we live in, I'm sure she'll find even more success as time goes on. Says a lot for the culture we live in. I say bash-on.

Why is it seemingly impossible for some posters here to accept that not everyone shares their burning hatred of TBL or Jillian Michaels? I mean, we all agree to disagree with respect to various diet plans and food choices, but not about a TV show. Really.

You know..how come there is so much talk about Jillian Micheals but there is no talk about Bob Harper? I mean he has his videos and books so what about him? I dont think i can say that im for or against Jillian Micheals and that is because i dont know her personally. I dont know how much of what we hear or read is just media or if its real or not...So i take everything with a grain of salt..what i do know however, is that there are other people out there in the diet industry, marketing all kinds of diets and options for weight loss and they arent exactly any better or any worse..so before anyone jumps into a Jillian bashing pool, what about all the others? I mean, talk about a pot calling a kettle black if you know what i mean?

Originally Posted by Nola Celeste:
Wouldn't it be nice if we could get a refund, in one lump sum, of all the money we've ever spent on useless weight-loss supplements, exercise equipment, and failed diet plans? Think of the shopping spree we could have with it all! :)

A few years ago, I got a check in the mail as part of a class-action lawsuit. I had no idea why I was getting the check! Seems that I had purchased some kind of "supplement" from and tv shopping channel (yes, I admit it) that was supposed prevent a person from absorbing the fat in the food she/he was eating. Wow! Magic. Didn't work and lawsuit was settled.

I got seven bucks.:lol:

Caveat Emptor!!!!

I don't know if Bob Harper is lending his support to a weight loss supplement containing a potentially dangerous substance, but a quick Google search doesn't turn up anything.

This isn't about bashing Michaels as Michaels, but about ridiculous weight loss claims like "shampoo will make you fat" and "take this supplement and lose weight safely and with ease." Those claims SHOULD be bashed. They should be debunked by everyone from Penn & Teller to James Randi to the Mythbusters to shouting it out on street corners. All of us who've ever wasted a dime on useless supplements or taken something that made us feel like crap or worse yet, had our health damaged by taking stuff that is essentially poison.

A friend of mine died in 2003 from liver failure thanks to a supplement she was taking for weight loss and "cleansing of toxins" from her body. It literally killed her. It's part of why I feel such antipathy toward the BS claims made by ANYONE--including Jillian Michaels--about herbal "supplements" for weight loss. Another part of my anger at snake-oil sellers is that I (and probably a great many of you reading this) have been taken in by them. I don't know about you, but I don't appreciate having my money taken as I'm being made a fool.

Bob Harper isn't being called on the carpet because he's not making these claims or allowing his name to be associated with those who make them. When he starts spouting dangerous stupidity, rest assured that he'll come in for a heaping helping of scorn as well.

What I don't get is why on earth anyone would want to defend a seller of potentially dangerous products meant to take advantage of desperate people who mistakenly put their trust in a company or person whom they believe to be honest.

Maybe I misunderstood your use of the "pot calling the kettle black" idiom, but I couldn't really be casting aspersions on Michaels when I'm guilty of the same kind of behavior because I am not a fitness guru selling an herbal supplement. I'm just a consumer who got a very sad education in the perils of herbal supplements.

I did a little Googling and ran across this interview with Jillian Michaels:

iVillage Health interview with Jillian Michaels

The most pertinent part to what we're discussing is this excerpt:

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Jillian: The bottom line is that your skin is transdermal and what that means is that anything you’re putting on your skin, you might as well be putting in your mouth. Nobody really appreciates that. It’s going through your skin and going into your system. You need to be incredibly mindful and careful about what you’re putting on your skin. What’s happening is that a lot of times products contain harmful ingredients, like sodium oil or sulfate, which is an extremely intense detergent. There are parabens (preservatives) in beauty products. These things are linked to cancer, genetic mutations and autoimmune diseases. In addition, parabens can create zenoestrogens that lead to breast cancer and ovarian cancers. Simultaneously, these zenoestrogens are making us fat—they’re making you sick and fat!

She's wrong. Not just a little wrong, but drastically wrong. Researchers are working hard to find out how to deliver drugs transdermally more effectively specifically because the skin is a really poor medium through which to move large molecules--things like hormones and proteins which tend to be huge. The whole point of skin is that it is not readily permeable. The stratum corneum doesn't let stuff through readily. Maybe we would have to worry about skin permeability if we were amphibians, but we aren't.


This is quackery of the first water. I'd be picking on anyone who said this out loud, let alone someone who gets listened to when speaking about health and fitness. There've been some quackalicious things said by others (Deepak Chopra, Dr. Phil, I'm looking at you), but saying that beauty products are "making you sick and fat" is just jaw-dropping.

I will have to add non-fattening shampoo to my shopping list along with tin foil to fashion into a hat that will keep the mind-control rays from reaching my brain, I guess. :dizzy:

She's right about olive oil being a great beauty product, though. I use that and coconut oil all the time. So cheap, so effective!

:lol: Was it Mythbusters who tested the whole James Bond Goldfinger theory- that if you paint a persons body in gold that they will suffocate/become toxic and die? :lol:

Maybe it wasn't mythbusters, but I know it's definitely been tested and debunked. Our skin is not easily permeable by liquid in general. Oh jeez.

LR

I think maybe the point she was making, is that people out there are dying of illnesses related to simple products they are using containing chemicals that are pro-cancer..of course there are many things that cause cancers in the world, and i think its true, that the less chemicals we use in or on our bodies the better..that being said..a supplement..may or may not be healthy..but we dont know and i guess thats why its our chocie to buy in or not buy in..but in the end i want to be one of those people who personally can say " i did it without all the gimmicks out there"

Everything is made up of chemicals, including table salt and rocks and water and human tissue. "Chemicals" is a meaningless scare term used to sell a supplement that "purges toxins" or is "all-natural" (two more meaningless terms).

It is very like selling tin-foil hats while talking about the importance of remaining pure and free from mind-control rays. Well, with one difference: there really are toxic things to avoid in some environments, but most of us don't work in heavy-metal refineries or radioactive waste processing facilities. Those who do wear protective clothing, they don't pop an herbal pill or slap on some color-changing foot pads to cleanse their bodies.

Bottom line: unless you've been eating paint chips, you're statistically likelier to die of pure, all-natural causes lilke accident, infection, or idiopathic disease than of any kind of poisoning. Hospitals are not full of people suffering from shampoo-related scalp cancers and moisturizer toxicity. All-natural sunlight, on the other hand, can definitely cause skin cancer. Fortunately, we can put chemicals on our skin to prevent it from happening.

Hooray for the modern world! It's not perfect, but it's a long stretch better than living in a state of medieval superstition or relying on what snake-oil peddlers tell you rather than careful research.

LightRaven: Yes, that was MythBusters who debunked the Goldfinger myth! I loved that episode, though I felt sorry for Adam having to get shaved everywhere so he could get painted gold. The rectal thermometer was the final indignity. LOL, poor guy. :D

I love that show tremendously. :)

I really like Jillian's workouts; theyre my favorite videos. But like an idiot, i bought her fat burning capsules. Those pills made me dizzy and I felt like i was going to pass out - not good!

Originally Posted by boxen06:
I really like Jillian's workouts; theyre my favorite videos. But like an idiot, i bought her fat burning capsules. Those pills made me dizzy and I felt like i was going to pass out - not good!

We all wish there were a magic pill to make this easier, but there isn't--no matter who's selling it to us. I've bought my fair share of pills and shakes and whatnot too, and they worked about as well for me as those pills did for you. It's not idiotic, it's an act of hope and desperation--a feeling a lot of us know when it comes to weight loss.

I hear a lot of good things about most of her workout videos. Looks like the best bet is to stick with those, since we know they DO work. :)

Can I say something?
 

Ok, I have been on this site several times for completely unrelated topics, but I decided to join just so I can voice whats going through my head. As someone who suffers from PCOS (a hormone imbalance) I have come to adore the teachings of Jillian Michales in her Master Your.... book. I still use plastic and perfume and so on, but there is a huge truth to what she says about the chemicals in them going into your body!

First anyone who thinks your skin cant absorb something thru it then why does the nicoteen patch work so well for smokers? Why can you put a patch on your hip to prevent pregnancy? How can your rub wild yam estrogen cream on your hands as directed to help with menopause? How come some women who color their hair absorb the aniline in their scalp rsulting in dark brown urine? Why do people think this sounds so quaky is modern medical is using the skin as a trasmitter for many chemicals/medicine?? You don't believe me? Take some garlic and olive oil, mush up the garlic and put it on the souls of your feet and in about 30 minutes your breath will reak of gralic!

Now I am not saying throw ur make up out and smell of an old hippie I am saying be more aware of these chemicals and stop being so hard headed and writing it off as if all these chemicals are perfectly fine and pose no harm. Therefore what she is saying is true to a degree and she isnt pulling this all out of a hat to make herself wealthy.

As far as the Biggest Loser goes does anyone realise she is under contract to do those dumb lil promos they put on the show? Probably a huge reason for her leaving the show! She said she feels with her knowlege she can reach more poeple apart from biggest loser....hmmmm? Sounds to me she isnt afraid of stepping out of the lime light to help more people out!

I will agree that her detox pills and a few of her DVD's were not her best choice...but until you know what its like to be approached with million dollar offers donbt judge her. And for someone who who talks about toxins all the time...Im sure she was prime canidate for the ad...I dont think she should have taken it, and she prob would say the same thing...but last time I checked she was still human...correct?

About the bitter orange and caffine thing...I have not found that any of the products she endorses has both ingreidents...check your lables b?c thats incorrect. She does have a pill that has bitter orange, and another that has caffine...but not both together!

Anyways...I like her approach..she is far from quaky! If you dont agree with what she says then lose weight another way...theres 78898789674782364826492874 diffrent ways to do it...pick urs!

But i warn you if you think slamming diet cokes at every meal, loading up on low fat no fat foods loaded with chemicals is so healpful...then do a 10 year study on yourself...you'll likely be heavier, more unhealthy, energy deprived and so on after years of fooling your body into this "food" All she says is eat whole natural foods, avoid overloaded chemicals, drink out of glass instead of plastic and use chemicals sparingly in your home...whats the problem?? Someone somewhere things your all nuts too, you just dont have a public auidence for poeple to talk about you and bash your every move...stop hyperfocusing on other peoples flaws people! Goodness!

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About the bitter orange and caffine thing...I have not found that any of the products she endorses has both ingreidents...check your lables b?c thats incorrect. She does have a pill that has bitter orange, and another that has caffine...but not both together!

I'm referring specifically to the "Jillian Michaels Extreme Maximum Strength Fat Burner". It does, in fact, contain both ingredients together (the bolding below is mine, to indicate those ingredients):

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Jillian Michaels EXTREME Maximum Strength Fat Burner Ingredients:

CLA, white willow bark, grapefruit extract, bitter orange extract, blood orange extract, sweet orange extract, coleus forskohlii, tribulus terrestis, yerba mate, coffee bean extract, guarana, and cocoa seed extract.