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Originally Posted by carter
Folks, I did not mean to suggest that vanity is the only true motivator, or that people who say they are motivated by their health are not sincere. I'm puzzled by the defensiveness in response to my observation that when vanity is a motivating factor, women are often uncomfortable acknowledging that fact. That's the statement I made, and it's an observation that I stand by. The statement you are reading into it, that I'm calling anyone else who has posted in this thread a liar or assuming anything about your individual motivations - I didn't say any of that.
Is this true that women don't admit to using vanity as a reason to lose weight?
Because most of the people around me, use it as their motivator (at least, their verbal, vocal answer to why they are losing weight. Very few say it's for health reasons. It's usually a comment like, "My jeans are getting tight" "I have a love handle" "My belly has a roll" or whatever. Those are all vanity reasons for losing weight and not health ones. It seems that more people are willing to admit (in my experience) that they are doing it for looks, than for health.
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And just to be explicit, when I say "women (as a class)" I do mean that I am making a statement about structural and institutional attitudes towards women's beauty, not a statement about any individual's experience and worldview. It's wonderful that some of you have been able to escape that particular pernicious and oppressive strain of society. Nevertheless, women as a class are subject to it.
What I didn't say, maybe I should have, if we are going to speak in generalizations, is that while we are, as a society, expected to look and act in particular ways, at the end of the day, something must be happening that prevents all women from being thin despite societal pressure. So, at that point, I have to believe that not enough women are peer-pressured (societal pressured) into being thin. Yes, there is fat-shaming and the patriarchy is well and alive, but those aren't
motivating factors. It doesn't change our actions, at least, not as much as we'd like to think it does, because there are still many overweight women in this country. Again, I think both weight gain/loss is very complex.
Does the mass media industrial complex affect our society and how women can perceive themselves? Yes, of course. But I also give women some credit in terms of being able to discern the messages and/or ignore them and/or give up at the face of not meeting those perceptions of what a "perfect" woman should be. I do know some are more affected than others, but I also think it's a question of age and where you are in life that allows those images/perceptions to affect you (or not).
I don't disagree that women are subjected to it. I work in an industry where I know that if I was just 20 lbs thinner, I could blend better into the normative expectation of someone in my position (or higher), and since I am ambitious, I know that I will have to lose the weight to get there (hence my resolution for 2015 being the year that I hit the 150s and maybe even subject myself to 140s).
It's vanity (and career). I feel it. But even when I knew I could be a higher position (a year or 2 ago) I still didn't lose the weight. Even more money or higher position wasn't motivating enough. Isn't that crazy?
But that's because I am mostly motivated by positive experiences (I fit into a size 8!) or really negative ones (i.e. not touching the flame again or being sick and needing to lose weight to avoid surgery). Even for money I have a hard time losing. Again, though, I think I am motivating by loss of money, so maybe that's something to look into as well (if I don't hit 150 the nice way this year).
