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Old 09-19-2011, 12:29 PM   #16
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Do we need meat? Certainly.
Why do we need meat at all?
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Old 09-19-2011, 02:31 PM   #17
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Can you name any human civilication that ever existed, let alone thrived, without meat of any kind? You can't. A study of past and current tribal populations show their diet contains about twice the protein as a typical Western diet does today (The Inuit, for example, have a diet very high in protein and very high in fat). And about a third of them (hunter-gatherer diets) were protein-based. This includes tribes that are "untouched." So, if we don't need meat or aren't meant to eat it, meat eating would have died out through the evolutionary channel, just like many other things died out that we didn't need or were benefiting us as we progressed ever onward.

In my opinion, meat is essential for getting enough protein in your diet. For example, say you need to be eating 150 g of protein a day based on your lean body mass (1 g/1lb per lean body mass), you could eat 6 oz of beef, plus a cup of cottage cheese, plus a 6 oz pork chop, plus 2 cups of skim milk and you'd be a few grams shy of 150.

Or you could eat:
6 oz tofu (13.8 g)
2 Tbsp peanut butter (8.1 g)
1/2 cup kidney beans (7.6 g)
Medium banana (1.2 g)
1/2 cup lentils (9 grams)
6 oz tofu (13.8)
Split peas (8.1 g)
Soy milk (6.7 g)
1 large egg (6.3 g)
Cottage cheese (28.1 g)
And I'm only at 102.7 g so far.

A former friend of mine and current coworker is a vegetarian and has been for many years. While it's true, she's very thin, she's also incredibly out of shape and weak (skinny-fat). She does eat as healthfully as she can, but she still needs to take iron pills because it is very difficult to get adequate iron through a strictly vegetarian diet alone. Iron-deficiency anemia is very common in vegetarians (from my experience), even those who try to include iron rich plant foods (legumes, tofu, nuts, etc). Pound for pound, there isn't enough iron in 6 oz of tofu as there is in 6 oz of beef. (In a half-cup serving of firm tofu, there is 1.82 mg of iron, or thereabouts. Women should be getting about 18 mg per day. Three ounces of beef liver contains about 7.5 mg of iron (almost as much as recommended for men).

My best friend is a vegetarian and has been for 10 years now. She's been hospitalized due to lack of iron. She has to take multiple nutritional supplements and she is very fit - hiking, biking, etc. She's not "skinny-fat."

Yes, we can break down plant protein and redistribute it as amino acids just like animal protein, there's no problem there, the problem is in attaining the right amount of nutrients and minerals from ONLY the plant-based diet.

A diet that includes REASONABLE portions of lean meat (chicken, fish, etc.) with lots of veggies is better for you, in my opinion, than a diet lacking a bioavailable source of essential protein.

Our problem in modern life isn't so much the consumption of meat, it's the overconsumption of it.

This is just my opinion. I believe we do need meat to form a healthy diet, but limited amounts of it - not obscene amounts like we see in todays society.

I respect anyone who chooses a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle, and I respect that they some of them believe it is how humans are supposed to eat. I don't agree with them, but I respect their choices.
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Old 09-20-2011, 07:53 AM   #18
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Personally I've been vegetarian my whole life, I'm now 21. I've never suffered with anaemia or malnutrition/deficincies etc. On the contrary I've been very healthy. Sure I'm young but compared to my friends I'm more health conscious, much more fit and have bags more energy.

I think with some exceptions, if you're brought up from an infant without meat you will be just fine. I think our bodies are very capable at adapting to different lifestyles, and that is always easiest to do when you are little.

I don't begrudge people who do eat meat, but I personally consider killing an animal, in whatever way, to be animal cruelty. I am all for free range and organic etc, it is an improvement, but whatever way you look at it it's still murder.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:52 AM   #19
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I like meat, I won't go without it. I don't eat a ton though because it's expensive.

I, like all of my family, do not do well without meat. We also don't like soy; I think it's pretty icky in most forms. Without meat, dairy, eggs, we get very weak and shaky regardless of the amount of plant proteins and legumes we add. I can take an iron supplement but it's not the same. And yes, my entire family battles anemia.

In addition, I can have a piece of turkey sausage in the morning or eggs and feel full much longer than with plant proteins and especially carbs (even whole wheat).

I'm too lazy to look up any scientific data, and honestly I just don't care enough to. All I offer is my and my families experience with limited meat diets and how awful they make us feel.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions but that's all it is. I don't like those with militant opinions on just about any topic (religion, politics, food, what hair product is best) as it usually has the opposite effect they intend. If people find limited or meatless lifestyles work for them, I think that's fabulous. If they find free range is within their budget, that's great too. I, personally can't pay $5/lb for a chicken or $5 for a dozen eggs.
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Old 09-22-2011, 04:51 PM   #20
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12 Most Contaminated

■Peaches
■Apples
■Sweet Bell Peppers
■Celery
■Nectarines
■Strawberries
■Cherries
■Pears
■Grapes (Imported)
■Spinach
■Lettuce
■Potatoes
eek, I didn't know that. we eat lots of potatoes and bell peppers (and tons of strawberries). I'm a big spinach fan too, but we eat a good amount of frozen.

Yes, we can break down plant protein and redistribute it as amino acids just like animal protein, there's no problem there, the problem is in attaining the right amount of nutrients and minerals from ONLY the plant-based diet.

A diet that includes REASONABLE portions of lean meat (chicken, fish, etc.) with lots of veggies is better for you, in my opinion, than a diet lacking a bioavailable source of essential protein.

Our problem in modern life isn't so much the consumption of meat, it's the overconsumption of it.


I agree with this. I would have my doubts that it's something you can adapt to or not. I do think some people would have a higher biological potential to suffer from the lack of animal proteins over others -- would be more likely to develop problems because of other health/biological aspects. Lots of factors involved (diet, biology, genetics, environment).

I did just hear a story on NPR about growing meat, as in sheets of tissue, which sounds kind of gross to me but actually could be much more humane (no animals harmed, it's tissue only), and potentially could be healthier.
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