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Old 05-14-2011, 04:30 AM   #16  
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She should be persecuted for physical abuse of her child. She did after all alter the child's body medically. That can't be legal in the U.S. It sure like **** isn't legal here, unless there has been a doctor's permission.
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Honestly this should be illegal. And the fact that she gets the botox from a secret source is disturbing. she's putting her child in danger. a 8 year old doesn't have wrinkles. poor girl she's probably going to wind up have some type of body image disorder because the stupidity of her mother.


i think child pageants should be banned in this country. there are always horror stories coming from pageant children and their moms.

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Old 05-14-2011, 03:00 PM   #18  
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Crazy! And yes...NOT only in California, not sure why people think things only happen in CA, anyway...I honestly don't know what is wrong with some parents. I didn't see this but it is crazy and it does start young and it's sad that people can't be happy with who they are. My daughter had a friend whose parents gave her a nose job for her 14th birthday.

I have watched epidsodes of the Toddlers in Tiaras...those parents are messed up!

If a person as an adult wants to do it fine, but to do it to an 8 year old, wow. Really don't even know what to say.
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Why does California always get a bad rap ? California has , probably the majority of parents who are kind, loving, sensible and who would never do anything so stupid to their children .
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i think child pageants should be banned in this country. there are always horror stories coming from pageant children and their moms.
Agreed. I think it's a shame for adult women to be involved in it because of the message beauty pageants send, but they're adults who have the right to choose their own lifestyle. For a developing girl (or boy), whether she's a young teenager or a little girl, to be judged on her looks is vile. The message to girls and women about good looks being worth more than any other quality is widespread and consistent, so there's no need to encourage it. This is when children are realizing their place in the world. It sends a message to them that they have to be the most beautiful or they aren't number one. What parent would do this? All your children need to know about their beauty is that you find them beautiful.

In the report on ABC News, someone mentioned the sexualization of these girls. That's what bothers me the most. It sends an inconsistent message. Children aren't sex objects, but let's dress them up that way. As people concerned for the welfare of children, we shouldn't say one thing while doing another. Playing dress up is one thing. Being tarted up in heels and an evening gown by your mother after she waxes you and injects you with botox is another thing entirely.

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California has , probably the majority of parents who are kind, loving, sensible and who would never do anything so stupid to their children .
Lol, I understood what you meant, but it looked like you said the majority of kind, loving and sensible parents live in California. I think the vast majority of parents anywhere value their children as more than a Barbie doll or a tool to prop up their own egos. But it only takes a few...

Did they find out who the guy in the "doctor scene" is? If there's a chance that the lady got it from a shady source, she could have harmed her daughter even more. What kind of "friends" is this girl making at pageants that they tell her she's wrinkly? The mom says the other pageant moms do it, and they convinced her that her daughter had a problem. Seriously, think for yourself, lady.
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Old 05-15-2011, 02:13 AM   #21  
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She should be persecuted for physical abuse of her child. She did after all alter the child's body medically. That can't be legal in the U.S. It sure like **** isn't legal here, unless there has been a doctor's permission.
I know that this will not be a popular opinion, but I also don't believe in circumcision or ear piercing on babies and little kids. I feel they can decide for themselves when they are of legal age. What and who gives us the right as parents to alter our children medically for absolutely no reason. Pain and procedures that are necessary for health reasons are bad enough, why does anyone want to cause unnecessary pain? I don't get it.
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Old 05-15-2011, 07:44 AM   #22  
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I know that this will not be a popular opinion, but I also don't believe in circumcision or ear piercing on babies and little kids. I feel they can decide for themselves when they are of legal age. What and who gives us the right as parents to alter our children medically for absolutely no reason. Pain and procedures that are necessary for health reasons are bad enough, why does anyone want to cause unnecessary pain? I don't get it.
Agreed!
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Old 05-15-2011, 01:22 PM   #23  
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If you've ever watched Toddlers and Tiara's, those moms are flippin psycho!

Those little girls have fake teeth, fake tans, fake hair, fake nails, and now fake faces?

THe only thing that is getting judged here is which parent has enough money to buy the bestest and mostest fake stuff.
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Old 05-15-2011, 04:46 PM   #24  
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Milmin, I agree with the ear piercing part. I got mine done when I was around 10-11. I think that is an appropriate age for ears. Circumcision, well I am mixed about it.... But I know this is not a debate board, so I will not go into it
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I know that this will not be a popular opinion, but I also don't believe in circumcision or ear piercing on babies and little kids. I feel they can decide for themselves when they are of legal age. What and who gives us the right as parents to alter our children medically for absolutely no reason. Pain and procedures that are necessary for health reasons are bad enough, why does anyone want to cause unnecessary pain? I don't get it.
I agree.
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Old 05-15-2011, 06:23 PM   #26  
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I finally saw this last night on the news - majorly creepy.

The problem I have is that after seeing one or two of the "behind the scenes" shows, it sadly doesn't seem that extreme in comparison to all the other stuff that goes on- it's just taking it to the next (sadly logical to the twisted logic of the pageants) step.

They all seem to mirror and mimic what is done in the adult pageants, so if adult pageant contestants do it, these moms find a way to do it to their kids.

I think a lot of people see this as "crossing" some moral line, but I think that line was crossed long ago (and by every adult in the child pageant business). In comparison to everything else I've seen that goes on in these pageants, injecting botox seems to be no worse than most.

Unfortunately, with a child welfare system that is overburdened nation-wide, I don't see a crackdown on the entire pageant system as very likely. An example might be made of this woman, but I do believe when she says that it's common practice. And if so, cracking down on one parent doesn't address the behavior (it will just go underground).

I would want Child Protective Services in every state to investigate the pageants themselves.

They're virtually child pornography rings (having worked in law enforcement I know that people have been arrested for possessing child pornography that was no more explicit than what is seen in these child pageants).

What I don't understand is why these parents don't get the same creepy-crawly sensation that I do (as an adult without children). If I can see that the children are being sexualized, why can't the parents? I think it's because the attention (both for themselves directly and vicariously through the child) feels so good, it's hard to focus on anything else (but that's what child predation and generically predation of any type with any aged victim, is all about).

Attention doesn't mean love. How can these children learn it, if their parents don't get it?
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Instead of looking like the cute chidren that they are , they actually look like street walkers. We grow old fast enough , let them be kids while they are.
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absolutely ridiculous! So sad...and the mom already has her daughter brainwashed
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Old 05-16-2011, 12:45 PM   #29  
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I read a story this morning that child protective services were investigating this mom.
I hope this all works out for what's best for that sweet little girl.

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Justice prevails. I do feel incredibly sorry for this little girl. I hope that the mom sees the error of her ways and that they can be reunited.
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