EZ - I'm not doubting you :) I just definitely think it has precedence and I didn't see it myself so I can't say anything. Although overall, I'm not really surprised what is on tv these days.

NELIE ~ No hard feelings here dear...I never once thought you were doubting me and I know you would not be in favor of what was on last night either....

I was just making comment that (because you had not seen it) it was lower than most people (I think anyway) would allow if they had control over it.

I like Taylor Swift its nice to finaly see a good girl get some attention and not be all raunchy :) I guess she gets a lot of attention because she writes most of her music and she's young? lol idk that's what I thought :)

EZ I hope your wife takes it ezzzzzzz on ya About the faucet you was talking about in your other thread....LOL

LORI go check out my VEGGIE CHALLENGED thread tonight...does she look like she is OVER IT?....lol

ok ~Will do.

She is a beautiful girl but honestly......she doesn't really seem like she can carry a tune to me. Maybe her style just isn't something that translates well to my ear. I do think she is really accomplished, though. I saw a special about her (on Dateline, maybe?) and it looks like she has total control over her concerts; all the planning, the musicians, everything. That's amazing to me, that a 19 year old girl is so accomplished and talented. And she was definitely miles ahead of most of the crowd last night, in terms of being classy and decent!

Yeah, I think we might be old fogies. I just don't see the appeal of chanting about violence, calling your woman all kinds of horrible names, and having to cuss every-other word. It's not musical or pleasant to me in the least.

WINDCHIME I have mentioned it before but one of the saddest days of my life was when I went to pick up my 8th grade son at school...he gets in the truck...all teared up...saying Tupac's dead...

I say (AND WRONG TO DO SO!!!)..."so EFFIN what"

my son says..."how can you say that dad?"...

"easy son...easy"

Maybe I didn't handle it right...OK...I did not handle it right...but seriously...I had zero...zero...feelings for the guy...but I do for my son.

I dunno..I found his preformance really BORING!! He was so pitchy too. I could care less about crotch grabbing..I grew up watching Michael Jackson. So that didnt shock me. I was shocked that they showed him stimulate oral sex. I mean..you expect that on MTV, not on regular tv. But actually seeing that, didnt shock me. Nothing shocks me anymore. This is probably why I dont listen to popular music as much as I used to. Although, I do really like Taylor Swift, LOL!!

I hadn't actually watched this before, and just did - and I really didn't see anything that I hadn't seen a female performer do before. So again, I see his point about the fact that HE was so terribly offensive while some other female performer that pushes that envelope don't find themselves under the same kind of fire. Heck, when Britney and Madonna kissed at the VMAs in 2003, I don't remember it being this scandalous. So a double standard definitely does exist here.

I'd personally like to see ALL performances to a more family-friendly level - not to mention the lyrics. And I really do wish more artists would rise above that.

GROSS!! I am sick of the garbage...

The kiss didn't bother me. It was that the whole performance seemed.....angry or something. I guess it was the S&M, "angry" angle that bothered me more than anything. I've never been a big fan of the crotch-grabbing thing that entertainers all seem to need/want to do, but whatever.

This, for sure. I know that I was pretty relieved that I didn't have kids watching with me last night. My 70 year old Mom is an Adam fan but I'm glad she gave up and turned off the TV after Lady Gaga. LOL, she was REALLY confused and annoyed by her! I find her strange (Lady Gaga, not Mom :) ) but I think she's got a beautiful voice.

Heh, I didn't see it, but from a long line of rock/pop stars misbehavin', he's what everyone is talking about today.

Seriously I think we could debate from now until eternity what is acceptable when we deal with age differences...sexual differences...moral differences...

All I know is that in my lifetime of 55 years...I have seen things change...slowly...over time...

And in my opinion it has not changed for the good of humanity...

there was a time when a married man and a married woman couldn't kiss on TV or even be seen sleeping in the same bed on TV...

not saying that is right...but I am saying...

what is allowed on television today is wrong...flat out wrong!

and it is only going to get worse....