I read a great editorial on the Huffington Post that the problem with TV shows like the Duggars and Jon&Kate +8 is the inspire copycats--example, Ms Suleman. I haven't read a lot of articles about her but I've read she was depressed, she wanted love, and she wanted her own TV show.

I'm glad Pampers isn't helping her out. Do you know why Pampers gives to these other large families? Publicity. We all heard Pampers donate to J&K... so when we're thinking about buying diapers, we remember what a kind and generous company Pampers is. There really isn't anything positive about this octuplet case.. why would Pampers want their name attached to this negativity? People are trying to burn her at the stake and then to have a company come out and support her? Bad for business.

Also, there's been a few sextuplets born in the past decade. I remember the big to-do when they were born and then years later reading articles on them in People or seeing them on Oprah and they were like -- yeah, the donations and support were great for awhile and then the world kind of forgot about us.

I agree with I think kaplods who said that if this doctor had taken into consideration her marital status, how many kids she has, etc., and denied the treatment, she probably could've/would've sued.

I personally feel for all the children and the kind of life they will probably have. They didn't have a say so in the type of environment or life they were born into. It will be really difficult for all involved.

Sandy

blog - www.mygritsconfessions.com

Apparently she has her own webpage and has links to a message board and ta-da! a Paypal payment page, go figure.

I really feel for those babies, but I guarantee you Nadya will be using the donation $ for herself like more surgery.

Apparently she wants $2 million to sell her story and a TV show like Jon & Kate +8.

She really needs some mental health and she should really adopt those babies to a few families who will give each one of those babies total devotion. IMHO.

As an adoptee, with a wonderful set of adoptive parents, and very little interest to find my birth family (there is some personal curiosity, I won't deny and ther are medical questions I'd like answered - I also understand that I may be somewhat unusual in having so little interest in my bio family - my brother was much more traumatized by the fact of his adoption and the questions it left in his life). I don't see giving the babies away to a few families a very good suggestion at all - even though that may end up being what happens, because there aren't gonig to be a lot of people who are going to want to adopt 8, let alone 14 kids (or any guarantee they would do a better job of raising them, if they did - even with a potentially troubled mom). And adopting some or all of the kids to different homes, could easily cause more harm to those children in the long run, even if the homes are wonderful, and the kids are allowed at least some contact with their siblings growing up.

Firstly, there's the trauma to six older kids to think about, watching Mom give away their 8 tiny siblings. Each is going to wonder if they're next, and even if the new babies haven't been home yet, the kids have bonded with them and will be traumatized by their being given or sent away.

Then there's the trauma to the new babies, should they search for their birth family and find that some of their siblings were kept, and that they were seperated from the other babies born at the same time. Adoptees that find out, even as an adult, that they were separated from a twin, very often go through a lot anguish in not having known and grown up with their twin. Finding out there were 7 others, I can't imagine.

There is no good solution to this story that ends without many people getting hurt very badly. In fact the best solution, as much as it irritates me to say, may very well what the mother is wanting so badly, a large network of people willing and wanting to love and help care for her and her children to keep the family intact.

I found a great list of articles on the Huffington post site (thanks joyra for mentioning it)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kather..._b_165617.html

The more I read about this woman, the more I see how much she has gone through. Why, perhaps she thought (as wrong as she was) that babies would fill a void in her life, but it's just so terribly sad that this was allowed to happen. Then again, it's very sad when any young girl or woman feels the same way, and decides to get pregnant so she will have someone to love.

Parts of her story are so weird, I'm sure she will get her book deal. Things like she apparently lied (she says the church is lying) about a local church helping her and her children spiritually and financially. The church apparently says she was never a member. There's also references to her doctor's other "overfertilzed patients," which I haven't read yet.

Sadly, as disturbing as her story is, it is fascinating. Is she, as her mother says, only crazy in this one way (and will she now be stopped, she says she's "done," but is it just that the newness and attention hasn't worn off yet, and will she want more). She was apparently diagnosed depressed, and paranoid with Post Traumatic Stress syndrome. It seems to me that there SHOULD be not only guidelines, but strict ethical standards as to who receives in vitro procedures - and that suffering from current depression, paranoia and PTSD would not be a good candidate for ivt (nor would a mother with 6 young children, no spouse, no job, and physically disabled to boot). One of those things? Maybe, but all of them? I think the guidelines and laws need to be at least as strict as for adopting a child. It just seems unconscionable that a person who could not legally adopt a child, could so easily receive ivt, to the tune of 14 children. If a person needs assistance of any kind to obtain a child, legally those people assisting should be held accountable in some way for the live of those children.

The thought that having a child or more children "fixes" lives isn't a unique one, sadly. And with potential mental illness muddying the waters even more, I'm not at all saying this woman isn't responsible for her choices, but there are a lot of people who should be sharing the responsibility of the choices that they made in assisting her. In some ways, I do believe the doctors are left holding the bag, at least in her case. It just seems insane that anyone with enough cash in pocket can get an embryo implanted, regardless of their suitability as a parent.

I was just reading two articles that stated that there was indeed only one single doctor for all 14 children. In a sense all 14 children are twins, in that all of the embryos were created at the same time from only one sperm sample (so the sperm donor friend did not necessarily give his ok for each of the 14 children). The embryos that weren't implanted for the first pregnancy were frozen and kept by the fertility clinic. Every successive pregnancy was created from the original set of embryos.

In a sense, as weird as it is, I can understand the mother's twisted state of mind. Feeling that those embryos, even in their frozen state were her children. I'm not saying it's right, but I do understand it a little more. It's one of the reasons that I personally, could not undergo an in vitro fertilization. I couldn't bear the thought of fertilized embryos in that no-man's land, literally frozen between child and yet not child - and the thought of allowing or worse choosing to have the embryos die (either as unplanted embryos, or as developing fetuses). The doctor is being investigated (apparently his "average" for implantation is 3.5 embryos at any one time. So it makes you wonder why he implanted the extra 3 if not so that she wouldn't be back).

I'm wondering now whether the doctor implanted 6 to shut her up (they were the last of the living embryos, so there are now no more embryos for her to have implanted). The chances of all 6 coming to term (let alone splitting into 8) were extremely small. The greater odds were that she would lose all 6/8, if she would not choose "reduction" (selective abortion).

I had a friend whose triplets died because her body could not bring three children to term, the odds of being able to bring all 6 (let alone 8) to term had to be astronomical - and certainly the doctor knew this. I can only believe the reason he implanted all six was so that there would not be two or three left for her to return for, for later pregnancies.