Politically Correct Figgy Pudding
 

I have never been known to be politically correct, I don't really care too actually. I do try to be respectful....OK, so some of you know me...I try to be respectful MOST of the time ;)

So for those that care and are leaving their computers soon for the "HOLIDAYS" ~

I wish you and your family a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS! :angel::angel: :tree: :angel::angel:

Merry Christmas to you & your family too! :gift2:
Hope it doesn't get too quiet here over the holidays.
I think you are very respectful, Gary.

I personally think political correctness is over rated, especially at this time of year!! So Merry CHRISTmas back atcha!!

Jenny :o)

Merry CHRISTmas, yes, even though Jesus wasn't REALLY a Capricorn.
I hope everyone has an ebullient and nontoxic time, politically correct or not!

Probably true there Jo ~ but since most christians and scholars agree that Jesus wasn't born on Dec. 25th...I'll say he is PISCES...LIKE ME! ;)

OK! Since there was a fish-related miracle I'll buy that!

BTW, according to the Catholic Church, Mary's birthday is September 8. That makes her a VIRGO!!

(Now how did I know that EZ is Pisces?) :chin: :rolleyes:

Jay

Not out of political correctness, but because I want everyone to feel included-- even those that are not Christian, I say Happy Holidays!

You are trying to make a play on words/letter here are you Mousey?

My sign has fish going in two directions Jay and yet I don't even swim...go figure.

I'm confused (shut-up ladies!) you want them to be included in what exactly? If someone isn't a christain why would they want to be included in Christmas?

Oh sorry, I didn't realize your post was only intended for Christians and/or those who only celebrate Christmas. Then you don't have to worry about political correctness. When I say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, it's because I want everyone to have a happy season, not just those who celebrate Christmas, and I don't want to assume everyone I meet celebrates the same way I do (which is Christmas, even though I'm an atheist!) Personal preference I guess!

Have a very merry and blessed Christmas and New Year, everyone :)

I'm confused (shut-up ladies!) you want them to be included in what exactly? If someone isn't a christain why would they want to be included in Christmas?[/QUOTE]

I think she meant she wanted everyone to have a happy holiday season, no matter what they celebrate. Just because someone isn't Christian, doesn't mean that they don't celebrate something. There ARE other winter holidays that coincide with Christmastime, such as Hannakuh and Yule/Winter Solstice. That is the main reason for the term "Happy Holidays", because there is more than one during this time of the year. Hannakuh has just passed, and Yule/Winter Solstice is this weekend. :)

About the topic of Jesus not being born in December, most scholars and religious experts DO believe that this is true.

The main reason that it is celebrated in December, is because being Pagan used to be as common as being a Christian was. The colors red and green, and traditions such as decorating a tree and decorating with pine greenery are actually Pagan traditions during the time of Yule/Winter Solstice. This has happened with many other holidays as well-which is why a decorated tree or wreath has nothing to do with the birth of Christ, and pastel colors, bunnies, and coloring eggs has nothing to do with his resurrection. ;) All of these traditions are actually Pagan traditions. (Which is the main reason why some stricter Christian religions don't do these things...)

When certain people started promoting Christianity, and wanting people to stop doing Pagan practices, they started celebrating things like Easter and Christmas at the same time as Pagan holidays (to slowly replace them) instead of when they would have actually have happened. This is why Christmas is celebrated in December, and not in the autumn or late summer, when it was more likely that Christ was actually born. The spring celebration, Easter, actually still has a derivitive of the Pagan holiday name-Ostara.

However, even though they changed the dates to replace other holidays, some of the older traditions of these holidays-trees, wreaths, cranberries, red and green-all the way to bunnies and colored eggs-stuck.

APHIL I am aware of what you have posted and agree....I am not sure if you thought I said Jesus was born on Dec. 25th...I agreed that he was not.

Happy Holidays to those that do not celebrate CHRISTmas. For those of us who are celebrating Christs birth on this day. MERRY CHRISTMAS.

Does it matter the exact day of his birth? I say no. My sons birthday is in Jan. When he turned 10 he decided he wanted to celebrate his birthday in the summer time. Said it was much more fun to have a birthday party in the summer. Hey, what did I care, we now celebrate his birthday July 4th.

And I do want everyone to enjoy their "holiday'" and celebrate their beliefs!

EDIT ~ No SHY, it doesn't matter what His birth date was.

Thank you! And Merry Christmas to you! I hope you didn't think I was yelling in the other post, I do enjoy your posts......you are a bit of a nut. I like that!

I don't think it's a problem to say Merry Christmas to people who aren't Christians. I especially like to say Happy Mothers Day to people who aren't mothers. Especially men.

:lol3:

Gary knows I'm not picking on him either. I like him too much :D

You did mean mutha's right?

No I didn't Jackie. and I am not trying to offend anyone or defend my faith...I just wanted to know why it is becoming unpopular to say Merry Christmas.

We have gone through too much together dear! And thank you moderator goddess for not deleting my posts....yet ;)

I am not trying to offend anyone or defend my faith...I just wanted to know why it is becoming unpopular to say Merry Christmas.

Is it? You couldn't prove it by me. Just remember: NOT EVERYONE CELEBRATES CHRISTMAS, and those who don't shouldn't be made to feel like outsiders!

I guess, ANOther, I really hadn't thought about it much until last night. I was at my niece's middle school band concert, they played christmas songs...but they went out of their way to NOT SAY the word CHRISTMAS. I was a little put off by it...but I had a great time listening to my niece play the french horn in the 7th grade band! Who wouldn't right....wink

MERRY CHRISTMAS to one and all!
I have not yet had a Muslim friend wish me a Happy Ramadan, and my Jewish friends don't wish me a Happy Hanukkah, and my atheist friends don't care to acknowledge the season --so to each his or her own! I wonder, as Gary does, WHY a Christian takes alot of garbola for wishing others a Merry Christmas, when Christians are rarely included in other faiths' holiday greetings!!!! I don't think the intent is to be exclusional, but why oh WHY must EVERYTHING be ALL ENCOMPASSING!!!
SO,
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
and a Happy Chinese New Year!!!!
Maya
:)

Thank you MAYA.

Gary, this one's for YOU, baby!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO_vb...eature=related
Maya
:)

I don't think that it is becoming unpopular to say Merry Christmas at all-I just think that people are becoming more sensitive, and wanting either to include everyone in certain environments. (Like school...)

I just watched a wonderful Christmas concert last night on tv with BareNaked Ladies-and it was fabulous. Rudolph, Frosty, The Grinch, and all of the other Christmas shows have been all over the television...so it isn't that Christmas is becoming "unpopular" at all. It is just that in certain situations, we are learning to be more sensitive to others. I think it is a good thing, honestly.

When I was a kid, we still had Christmas parties in school...there was one child in my class (1st through 5th grade) who had to go home every year in the afternoon, on the day of the Christmas party...due to their beliefs. Because the school didn't make the celebration general, or include other faiths in it, he had to go home. I always felt bad for him...and I think situations like that is why they call them "holiday" parties now, so that one or two children in the class are not singled out.

In a similar situation-

My kids are Native American (and it is obvious) and the teachers all know this. Yet, last year, my son came home from school before Thanksgiving break dressed in a brown grocery sack and fake war paint, feathers, and the whole nine yards...I was upset about it.
I think that if the teacher had thought about it, that it might have been a better idea maybe to ask my husband to come in and talk about the "Indians" rather than dress my son up like that, without asking us about it, or anything like that. If she had been sensitive and talked with me, I could have sent my child to school in REAL Native American items, so that it could be a learning experience for the children instead of the fake stereotypical thing that they did. It was unfortunate, because those children could have really learned something, you know?

I think that for extracurricular events, etc. that promoting Christmas and singing about it, and doing whatever you want to is perfectly fine...but
I think that in school, that being PC is a good thing, just because you don't want to make someone feel left out. These kids don't have a choice in the matter of their religion, and what school they go to, etc. They have to be there. If they sang all Christmas songs, and you have a Muslim and a Jewish kid in the choir class, then it would only be fair to sing some songs from other religions at the same concert.

Honestly, I think that making it multi-cultural, and doing that exact thing-would be the best, and more of a learning experience for everyone. Unfortunately, rather than doing that...schools just tend to take the name Christmas out of it, rather than doing something educational for each holiday instead. I would have loved it as a child, to learn what different people did and how they celebrated. My kids would love it, as well.

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate...

and happy holidays to all else..

enjoy your time with family and friends and loved ones.

freiamaya, I'll be sure to wish you a Happy Losar when the time rolls around... :)

Jay

And to Jay and all of you, a very happy Mahayana New Year (when the time comes!)!!!
Maya
:)

Thanks MAYA I have seen that one before...but always like watching it...hilarious...especially the "ladies of the evening" part!

Great points APHIL.

Thanks for "watching out for me" JAY!

I just got this in an email today and thought that it was just to funny not to share here!

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2007, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.

{Or just plain, Merry Christmas.}

:cp::cp::cp::cp::cp::cp: KAREN!

Maybe we should just have SANTA CLAUS DAY...we all like presents don't we?! :)