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Newshinyme 05-20-2009 03:25 PM

No cardio Workouts?
 
A few days ago I was watching a "Trainer to the Stars" trying to sell his new fitness book.
There he claimed that doing cardio exercise is totally pointless. That what you need to do is strength training only and you'll get great results.
He gave some examples, which were basically resistance band training exercises from what I remember.

Now, I am not very fond of cardio exercise myself. I do it because conventional wisdom says that a good workout routine should include both cardio and strength training. But I feel silly and uncoordinated a lot of the time...a public aerobic class would be my worst nightmare hehe.

Is there any validity to his claims? Has anyone tried a no-cardio routine? What were your results?

Thighs Be Gone 05-20-2009 03:28 PM

I haven't tried it. From everything I have read you need a combination of both and both are important for overall health and appearance.

mandalinn82 05-20-2009 03:37 PM

I don't know what this would mean for weight loss - after all, you can lose weight without any exercise whatsoever by eating less calories than you burn. Cardio just helps burn the fat off faster by increasing that "calories burned" number.

That being said, more and more research is coming out that suggests that its physical cardiovascular fitness, not weight, that primarily determines health risks. So his approach seems, to me, to be a bit backward for health...he's saying you can LOSE WEIGHT but have a poorly in shape cardiovascular system, which recent research suggests won't actually make you much healthier at all.

Fat Pants 05-20-2009 03:40 PM

Where can I send him my measurements from my cardio exercise plan? I think my 22" lost inches beg to differ. ;)

sunflowergirl68 05-20-2009 04:00 PM

See, my boyfriend is in the Army and he said that you should do mostly cardio.

Sometimes I think that most of these trainers are trying to find their shtick just to sell books, whether it works or not.

belezura 05-20-2009 04:06 PM

I read this book... Cardio-Free Diet. And I was afraid of just giving up on my cardio, because I actually had some results on it...
He give you nice tips about strength training though...

Mrs Snark 05-20-2009 05:29 PM

The guy is just trying to find a niche to market his book. A quote from the book,

"Cardiovascular workouts do burn a few calories, but far fewer than you think. And the more cardio you do, the hungrier you feel. Not only does cardio fail to help you lose weight, but it kills -- it kills your time, your energy, your joints, and your motivation. You burn a few measly calories but then eat twice as many afterward. The result? Weight gain -- and lots of it."

That's alot of hype and blather.

Reviews indicate he also recommends all women eat a 1200 calorie a day until in maintenance. That's pretty harsh. Tons of cardio isn't for everyone, there are lots of different options for people to find sports that they enjoy. I'm sure his interval lifting program is great. But there is no need to pretend that cardio exercise is useless.

MBN 05-21-2009 05:36 AM

Oh geeze -- without reading the book it sounds like partly hype and partly misinformation! I do believe that you can get your heart rate up with resistance training, so there can be a cardio component to it. But, to paint cardio exercise as "bad" ?? Hogwash.

IMO, you need to work it all: cardio, strength, flexibility, core, balance. But, his book is just like the diet books that advocate a food group as "bad" that you need to eliminate. Carbs are Evil. Fat is evil. Eat this ONLY with that. Take my pill; drink my shakes; eat my cookies. If you just follow MY magic formula, it will magically work for you.

There is no magic formula. It's all about eating a healthy diet and getting regular exercise: calories in vs. calories out. But that doesn't sell books, does it? :rolleyes:

sacha 05-21-2009 10:40 AM

Believe it or not, this is actually true.

With an extremely strict diet and heavy strength training, you can achieve excellent figure results.

This diet would involve a strict macro combination (ie. 1800 calories 40/30/30 protein/carbs/fat - just an example, not the real formula) with maybe one treat meal per month (within those macros - for example, a non-fat latte - yes, that strict) and consistent heavy heavy weights.

Diet and strength training are truly key.

That being said - cardio has so many health benefits that you'd be setting your body up for later failure without doing it!

Some people truly only care about the "look" and many figure competitors can be dizzy on competition day because they are extremely dehydrated for the "look".

DO CARDIO!!! Your heart will thank you!

ringmaster 05-21-2009 01:29 PM

I dunno about no cardio... It seems like intense cardio is usually what leans people out and gets the last few pounds off. Almost all of the runners I see have lean bodies.

Newshinyme 05-21-2009 07:02 PM

That's what I figured. Mainly because of what Mandalinn said.
I am not willing to trade 1200 calories a day for a no cardio workout anyway. And as for the heavy weights, like I said, a lot of what he was demonstrating were resistance bands and maybe body weight, so not that extreme.
So, the tried and true way is still the way to go I guess :D

LandonsBaby 05-24-2009 12:46 PM

I read a lot of articles on the woes of too much steady state cardio. However, these people (who write the articles) aren't advocating some band work and sitting on your butt. They recommend you lift like your life depends on it and do some intense interval cardio. They are trying to appeal to a crowd who wants to be lean and muscular. Different trainers say different things depending on their audience. I'm convinced a lot of the "trainers to the stars" and the like are just idiots who somehow talk themselves into the spotlight.

That being said, I lost my 18 inches on mostly weight training with a little cardio. I really do not see the point of completely eliminating cardio work. Going for walks, riding a bike, swimming....those are all very healthy and fun things to do. It sounds like this guy wants people to believe they can lose weight without much work.

Ija 05-24-2009 01:22 PM

When he said to focus on strength training, he meant lifting really hard and heavy [edited: this was my assumption, which is apparently incorrect], which is different than the strength training most women do when they're trying to lose weight.

An intense weight lifting session can elevate your heart rate just as much as cardio, and as a bonus can increase your metabolism even when you're not working out. Cardio tends to do the opposite because doing a lot of it can lead to muscle wasting.

After I lost over 100 pounds I realized that cutting my calories so low and doing lots of cardio was only going to result in me having a smaller version of my fat body (a.k.a., the dreaded "skinny-fat") rather than a strong, tight body. So in the last few months, I've cut my cardio sessions to 30 minutes once or twice a week, and focused more on heavy weight lifting. Since doing so, I've managed to increase my calorie level from 1500-1600 to 1900-2000 and still lose weight. Of course, the losses are coming a little more slowly now (after all, I'm retaining and building muscle, rather than losing it along with the fat), but it's remarkable how much my body is tightening up. The difference is huge.

Call me a believer (in weight lifting, not necessarily the book he's selling...)

LandonsBaby 05-24-2009 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drina (Post 2754300)
When he said to focus on strength training, he meant lifting really hard and heavy, which is different than the strength training most women do when they're trying to lose weight.

She said the guy gave examples of working with resistance bands. It doesn't sound like he was promoting heavy lifting. What is the name of this book? I believe it is a legitimate way to train, if he's talking about lifting heavy. It just didn't sound like that and I don't know who the guy is to look it up.

Luckybustert 05-24-2009 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyler Durden (Post 2749875)
Tons of cardio isn't for everyone, there are lots of different options for people to find sports that they enjoy. I'm sure his interval lifting program is great. But there is no need to pretend that cardio exercise is useless.

I agree cardio is useful but I have to wonder if he doesn't make a valid point in saying that people tend to overdo it and end up hungrier and with their energy levels depleted. I remember when cardio first became all the rage (showing my age here) and reading medical reports that stated it only took 12 minutes to get the benefits of this type of exercise. Do any of us stop at 12 minutes? Oh no. If a little is good, a lot must be better so let's try for 45 minutes to an hour. And the end result, at least in my case, is I am extremely hungry and tired on that type of program. I seem to do better with (and am more likely to stick to) a more moderate exercise program than an extreme one.

I think it's very important to communicate to people that ANY exercise is better than sitting there like a lump on the sofa, stuffing your face with chips. I think if people could embrace that idea they might slowly build their way into being more active, instead of taking an "all or nothing" approach (I'm going to do 45 minutes of cardio 5 days a week) and giving up altogether when they can't keep up.


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