keep it going

Wow I can't wait until I can even contemplate doing a marathon. I know you ladies will do awesome!

Going running with the pooch later on, should be fun to have a little break from the baby and the house.

Running lets me eat without putting weight back on, but I do find that eating is the more important component of losing in the first place.

A 150-pound person burns around 100 calories a mile running. That's not all that much when you think about how far a beginning runner runs.

I think there is a lot of truth in it...not that you will eat junk, but that relying solely on exercise (ANY kind of exercise) for weightloss is typically not successful. For one, if you are not ALSO dieting (read as "paying attention to what you are eating and how much"), you are likely to slightly increase your caloric intake when exercising.

Both is best, but dieting is crucial for weight loss. Many people find that exercise, in addition to helping you to lose fat instead of muscle, helps them be in a better mindset and feel better...all of which helps dieting.

Over time exercise will boost your metabolism, but the effects are small compared to the effect you can have with the food you eat.

But those numbers are based on 150-pound people who are used to running. I can tell you that the first time I ran 10 minutes and for me to run 10 minutes now, at the same weight, were very different. I was not as efficient as I am today. I would bet that in the beginning, I burned 20% more calories for whatever I ran than I do now. The first minute I ran vs. a minute of running now...night and day.

As for the question about the original quote...
I think it is naive to believe that running, or any exercise, does not have an impact on metabolism, blood sugar processing and maintaining a good chemical balance for weight loss. For me, I eat what I eat, and I exercise what I exercise. I don't up my calories on days that I work out. I don't lose weight if I overeat, even if I hit the gym 6 times a week. I don't lose weight if I eat like a bird and do it from my couch.

After not being able to fit in a run for the last three days, I finally got out there and ran 5 miles today. It felt soooo good! I kept a decent pace (average 10:19) throughout and I was quite comfortable, especially for the last 2 1/2 miles. I'm hoping to get in a 10 miler tomorrow.

The last 10 pounds I've lost have made a difference in my running, I think. I feel MUCH lighter and it's easier to pick up my pace now. It's weird that I didn't notice that much of a change until the last 10 of my 110!! I mean, I DID, of course, but I can really tell now. It's like my body was waiting to get down to this weight before it would become really efficient or something.

Lisa, that is great that you feel so much lighter. I always wonder if it will be easier once I lose more weight. I haven't noticed a difference in the last 10 pounds I've lost, but I'm sure it will come.

I didn't get to go for my run today, probably tomorrow *grumble*

Thanks everyone for the input. I really appreciate the information you provided. I definitely plan to monitor my eating. I will continue with WW Flex Points. In addition to that I will do the C25K plan. A combination of diet and exercise. My concern was relying soley on running and diet. I will incorporate weight training/resistance training (stability ball, dumbells, dynabands, body weight) after a month of C25K and a little further on into the program yoga and/or pilates.

I have noticed that my weight is higher than all of you. I'm also shorter than everyone. Did any of you start running at the higher end of your weight?

Met Rachel! She is a tiny thing! Well to bed, perchance to sleep:)

I did indeed start running at the higher end of my weight. I attempted a 1 mile race right at the very top end, which was what persuaded me to join a gym in the first place, I did my first 5k at about 220lb, having lost 40lb while training for it, and took things from there increasing distances as my weight went down.

Thinking of our ladies in Oregon! I hope all is well!

Edited to add...duh, they are three time zones away from me....

Good luck on the marathon today ladies, now that I have the right day!!!

I believe Heather started running arouns 220-230lbs for the person who asked about higher weight. I started at 220lbs as well. It can be done, just with care for the joints so that you don't hurt yourself.

Cat's right - actually, I was a bit heavier than that: about 240lbs when I started the C25K first week in June.

Had a good run today - another 3.25 miles, but with hills, and WITHOUT a knee brace :)

Hope all is going well for you girls, those running marathons AND everyone else!! Chat soon -
Heather :D

Thanks again for the input ladies. I am looking forward to starting soon and reporting my progress here. My new sportsbra should be here sometime this week. If I like it I will order a few more.

Back...4:02:53 - very happy with my time, but I now know what the WALL is. I hit it hard. I will give a full report later. But at this point I think 1/2 mary's are just LOVELY :lol:

The finish area was a zoo and I never did find Rachel, but I looked up her time and she did very well, but that is her race report, so I wont bogart it.

Wow, I'm in awe of both of you! That's a great time, congrats! Can't wait to hear the whole story.

Didn't manage to get my 10 miles in today because I got up late and then it was crazy hot (when is fall weather going to get here???) So I managed to squeeze in 7 miles before it got dark, barely. Felt really good, though.

More importantly, however -- woooooohooooo, ennay!! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: What a fantastic time! I can't wait to hear full reports from both you and Rachel! I'm so proud of both of you! :hat:

Yippee for our women in Oregon! Who knew I would be so proud of two people I have never met!

Chicago marathon leaves one dead
 

Oh that is awful. Heat is so much more dangerous than people realize.

Congratulations on the marathon! Saw several people limping in the downtown area this afternoon. :) That was quite the finish for the first place woman. Absolutely perfect weather, wasn't it?

That was terrible about the Chicago Marathon...so sad :(

Pre-Race: Not an auspicious beginning. I woke up at 3 with a pinched nerve in my back, ds woke up at 3:30 so I nursed him even though I said I wasnt going to. Ran in to a laundry basket in the dark and scraped up my shin. They didnt have bag check set up in time for me to get in any warmup and then I barely squeezed in to the wave with the 4 hr pace team.

Miles 1-3 9:41, 9:08, 9:09
My original plan was to stick with the pace team until after the bridge (mile 18). The pace leaders say they are going to run an even pace as much as possible, so I thought that would keep me from going out too fast. It didnt work out well. I was considerably behind the pace team at the start so I started out a bit fast to try to catch them. But they kept pulling away, every time I tried to run with them they were running 8:30's. Thats when I realized they were trying to make up the 2 minutes of gun time.

Miles 4-6 8:43, ~8:40, ~8:40 (missed mile 5 marker)
Lacking a pace team I was trying to stay at ~ 9 minute miles which was probably a bit fast. I seem to be able to run 8:45 or 9:15 but have a hard time running 9:00. At the 6 mile mark I was right on a 9 min pace avg. I figured if they settled in to their pace, I should catch the pace team at about 16 miles.

7-13 8:50, 9:09 9:22, 9:10 8:59, 9:09 9:00
I did a really nice job with pacing through here. Got hung up a bit at a water stop, but otherwise smooth. Noted as I cross the 1/2 marathon mark that I have made up the 2 minutes of gun time, so why is the pace team still ahead of me by a lot? Gu at 7 1/2. Hip flexors are cramping a bit, but that isnt uncommon, did wish I had done a warmup.

Can see the St. Johns bridge looming in the distance

14-18 8:56, 9:07, 9:12 9:17, 9:40
Gu at 14 This stretch you can see the bridge the entire way, just growing and taunting you by being so far overhead and you know you have to cross it. In mile 16 I catch the pace team, but they are running slower now. At the 1/2 they switched pace leaders and the new leaders are trying to lower the pace to bring them back in to target. It is too crowded so I pass and go on. And then the hill starts. The climb to the bridge is a serious hill. I slow to about 11 min miles for part of it, but once we are on the bridge I feel good and climb the span pretty smoothly. I am feeling good but a bit hungry.

19 - 23 9:22, 9:29 9:05 9:57
I start struggling suddenly. It really was 1 minute ok, next minute everything hurts. I gu at about 18 1/2 and push through. Try a bit of banana but tummy rebels. At 20 I take a deep breath and say...only a 10K to go...suck it up. 9:05...good girl...and then the wall hits hard. It is all I can do to maintain a run. The pace team catches me and passes me.

24-end 8:58, 9:42, 12:04(10:03 pace)
Mile 24 is almost all downhill and I still struggle to maintain pace, I add it up and realize that 4 hours will take sub 9's. For a brief moment I try. Really hard. And then I realize that I am thrashing and not going any faster, in fact I am slowing down more by pushing harder. I give up 4 hour goal and relax and feel a bit better. I decide to push for 4:03. The last mile is brutal, every step I want to stop. I start looking for dh and then realize it is wasting energy. He has a loud voice let him find me. I turn up the last hill and hear him and manage a smile. He tells me I am flying. My watch disagrees. But I slog across the line at 4:02:53 chip/watch time

Post Race: If there is anything worse than hitting the wall it is stopping. My whole body cramped and I had to hang on to a bar while they clipped my chip. I went and got grapes and chocolate milk, nothing else was appealing. Couldnt stop or I would collapse. The end was really packed and I was getting dizzy and claustrophobic ( i dont do well in crowds) and panicky looking for the bag drop for my clothes and phone. I actually would have stopped at a med tent if I could find one. My nose went numb. I think I was hyperventilating. They never got the bags moved to where they were supposed to be and it took me almost 20 minutes to find it as none of the volunteers seemed to know where it was either. I dont know if it was the panic or the food finally kicked in but as soon as I pulled on my clothes, I started feeling better. Called dh, got my official time and went to lunch at the nearest restaurant.

Other than my hip flexors I think I will be ok in a few days. Quads are pretty sore but that is purely muscle ache

I am really pleased. My original goal for Portland was to get back to where I was when I sprained my ankle training for Tucson right before I got pg. At that point I was looking at ~ a 4:20-4:30 marathon so I think that is not bad for a rebound year post pregnancy. :D

Wow, ennay - that's amazing - and thank you for posting all that info... I even know what most of it means! :lol3: I honestly cannot even fathom running a marathon - that's truly fantastic!! :yes:

Can't wait to hear Rachel's take, too!

Heather :D

Truly amazing Ennay, I am so impressed. I can only hope to do as well one day.

Well done ennay! (And Rachel too, for when you get back and fill us in how how your race went ;) )

I did 7 miles this evening, I wasn't sure how my legs had recovered from Saturday's long effort, but they seemed OK. It feels really wierd cutting down now, the stupid thing is I've been looking forward to tapering for ages but now I'm trying to work out what I can do with the time I'm not going to spend running (and hitting myself if the thought of spending it cycling crosses my mind...)

Thanks for the report, ennay -- I really enjoyed reading that, and I'm so proud of you!!

I did a tough hill workout with the cross country team today in the icky heat. Only 2.7 miles, but tough, tough, tough. Got home and weighed in at 163 - I think I sweated off another 2 pounds today.

Hi everyone - I'm back, and here with my race report! I finished in 4:45, which I'm thrilled with! I'm just going to paste in the email I sent out to my friends and family today, so some of it might not make sense to you and it's a bit long - but I'm sure you can follow through it. Ennay, glad to hear it went well for you - it was so nice to get a chance to say hello in person! (and you made my race report, as you'll see further on). I've come home to Chicago to hear absolute horror stories about what happened here this weekend, so I am so incredibly grateful that my first marathon wasn't here. The organizers had the nerve today to get on the news and talk about how well they adapted to the weather conditions - don't know how they have the guts to say that when from what I've heard, there was a serious lack of water and gatorade at the aid stations, and medical treatment was pretty iffy if you weren't in total distress. The only good stories I've heard was how people in the neighborhoods jumped in with hoses, water from their homes, access to cell phones, etc. to help runners in distress. Anyway...on to my report of a more pleasant marathon experience:

This weekend I ran in the Portland marathon, and since I’m also approaching another birthday soon, I’ve been reflecting a lot about this past year, and how fortunate I am to have people like you in my corner. Two quotes have been rolling around in my mind all week. One is from one of my favorite columnists from Runners World (John “the Penguin” Bingham, who was himself a “late onset” runner): “The miracle is not that I was able to cross the finish line, the miracle is that I had the courage to start”. A lot of that courage for me came from having the love and support from my friends and family over this last year (and for that matter, during my first 40 years too), so for that, I thank you. You will never know how much your encouragement has meant to me. This past week has really brought that home to me, as so many of you have reached out to offer words of advice, and to wish me well in the race. Even before hitting the first step of the race, the experience has been truly wonderful, and I feel fortunate to have had this opportunity to appreciate the people in my life. You were all in my thoughts throughout the day.

The other quote is a line from an Emily Dickenson poem, “Dwell in possibility”. This has been a big part of what has made my 40th year a milestone year in my life…between discovering a long distance runner within me, starting a job that I actually enjoy, and traveling to India (and soon to Antarctica), it really has been a year of discovery about who I am, and realizing that if I’m not happy with things in my life, the possibility to change them lies within, and the time to do it is now. Anyway, enough mushy stuff, I’ll move on to the race report. If you’re not interested, do not feel obligated to read it, but for those of you who have expressed interest, this is a blow-by-blow account of how it went.

Mile 0 – 2: I’m up like a shot at 4:30 this morning, very excited to finally have race day here. At 6:30, Sara drops me off downtown a few blocks from the starting area, and I join the stream of 7,500 runners headed to the starting corrals (and yes, corral is the right word, I do feel like part of a herd of cattle). Everyone is in good spirits, chatting and excited. I meet several other out of towners, including a woman from Denver who says the rest of her running club is running the Chicago marathon today. We congratulate ourselves on coming to Portland instead – the forecast for Chicago is 88 and humid. Here, it’s about 55 degrees and slightly overcast, ideal weather for a marathon. I line up behind the 4:45 pace sign since I’m hoping to finish in under 5 hours, and I think I might be able to do even a little better than that. At 7:00, the first group of runners starts…it takes a little while for the wave start to bring my group over the starting line, but we are soon underway. The first stretch is crowded, but not as bad as the Chicago half marathon I did a few weeks back, and within half a mile, I’m able to comfortably set a pace. I start out at what feels like a nice easy pace, then check my ipod - ack! I’ve started at 8:48 per mile…given that my fastest mile to date is 8:40, this is way too fast. Amazing what a little adrenaline and anticipation can do. So, I quickly rein myself in and slow it down. I chuck the long sleeved t-shirt I was wearing to keep warm by mile 1.5 – one less PeopleSoft remnant in the wardrobe. The tank top and knee length running tights are feeling like just the right wardrobe choice for the weather today. And the weather gods smile on us – we have no rain during the entire race, and even a little sunshine here and there.

Mile 2 – 6: This is the first out-and-back, south through a stretch of downtown Portland, so lots of friends and families are there cheering on runners they just dropped off (and the runners they don’t know – crowd support was really great throughout the whole race). The first of two significant hills on the course come in this stretch, with a total elevation of 115 feet. It’s early and legs are fresh, so no problem at all. And, since the later hill is only 150 feet in elevation, it’s a good confidence booster to know that a hill this size is no big deal. We return back to the starting/finish line area, then head out to the northwest for the next part of the course.

Mile 6 – 12: A second out-and-back stretch, running along the river through more industrial sections of downtown Portland – lots of trains and shipping docks, so not the most scenic part of Portland, but it’s flat so I’m not complaining. I settle into a steady pace and cruise along, this part of the race seems to pass very quickly. I see the only injury of the day that looks like a race-ender here, one of the runners is on the side of the course having what looks like a sprained ankle attended to by the medical staff and looking bitterly unhappy. On my way back, I also see someone cut across from the outbound lane to the inbound lane…since I think there was a timing checkpoint near the turnaround, this seems very odd, I still haven’t quite figured this one out.

Mile 12 – 18: We make a turn through the downtown streets which takes us away from the docks and rail yard area and continue northwest along the river heading toward St. John’s Bridge, which is the second major hill and the source of much of my pre-race nervousness. Fortunately, Sara drove me past the bridge yesterday so I could see the elevation really wasn’t that bad, but I am still mentally focusing a lot of energy on how I’m going to tackle the hill when I get there. We pass 13.1 miles, the halfway point, yippee! The bridge looms in the distance and seems to take forever to reach, but inevitably, I reach the approach, mile 16-17. Even though many runners are walking at this point, I have decided to try to run the entire elevation, and am able to do so. Reaching the midpoint of the bridge is the highest point of the course, and I remember what a veteran Portland marathoner told me this morning – make sure to look around and enjoy the view from the top of the bridge – and he was right, the view toward downtown is beautiful (although I wish downtown appeared a little closer…since I know that’s the distance we have to return to the finish line). The sun has even come out for a brief moment. Unfortunately, I see a runner with his shoes off, and what is clearly blood seeping through his socks. I feel for him – there are still 8 miles to go, and that’s a long way to run with feet that are in that much pain.

Mile 18 – 22: We’re now running southeast back toward downtown through some residential areas on the north side of the river. This was the toughest stretch of the race for me…I didn’t exactly hit “the wall”, but I think I was so focused on getting over the bridge that I am now experiencing a bit of an emotional let down. And – let’s face it – the legs are getting tired. I’m now exceeding the longest run I’ve done to date in training, 20 miles. The wind has kicked up a bit, and we’re running into it which doesn’t help matters. Having some issues with a pulled muscle in one of my hamstrings to boot (that run up to the bridge took a bit of a toll after all). So, I decide to try walking for a stretch…but quickly realize that as soon as I stop running, my legs feel as if they are turning to concrete. So, I just gut through it, keep things moving and eventually the hamstring loosens up and the miles do pass, although quite slowly. I get a nice bit of encouragement from another runner who passes me – she must have seen I was struggling a bit, and she gives me an encouraging smile and tells me that I’m doing great. It gives me a little boost – as does the moment later on when I caught up to her and passed her :)

Mile 22 – 26.2: We’re into the home stretch now – I’m reminded of what one of the runners on an online forum I visit said recently. She said she’s like a horse heading to the barn by the end of the run. (She’s running here today too – I met up with her to say hello in person at the registration expo yesterday, yet another great experience for the weekend). I’m thinking a lot about the bubble bath in Sara’s tub that awaits me…my “oats” are not too far away now. The course is mostly downhill now, which is certainly easier from a cardio standpoint, but is a bit tough on the legs, especially for a gal from the flatlands of Chicago – this is hitting muscles that aren’t used to running on an incline. I know we have one more bridge to cross into downtown, the Steel Bridge, and I’m praying that there isn’t much of an elevation to it…fortunately, when it comes into sight, it’s very clear that this will be a piece of cake compared to St. John’s Bridge. We cross over the bridge and enter the last mile, through the downtown section of Portland again. There are spectators everywhere cheering us on. A runner passes me at a dead sprint. Unbelievable that he has that much energy left, I am totally impressed. I’m picking up my pace a bit, but certainly nothing like that!

The Finish Line: Finally, the finish line is in front of me, and I hear the announcer call out my name as I cross. Quite a moment - I have to say I shed a tear or two there. Thank goodness, there are volunteers there immediately to wrap me in a space blanket (the cool air feels a bit different as soon as you stop moving), hand me my finisher’s medal and clip off my timing chip. I move into the finishers area, and grab a little food – I had read chocolate milk was the perfect recovery drink based on its ratio of carbs to protein, so I drink down a bottle, then eat a banana and a chocolate chip cookie. All of a sudden, I start to feel a bit queasy and light-headed at the same time – bleh, this is worse than I felt the entire race (I may not be able to face chocolate milk ever again). Feeling like I might just faint, I sit down in a waiting chair for a few minutes and eventually feel stable enough to get back up again. I continue collecting the finisher’s goodies – a few symbols of Portland, a rose and a Douglas fir seedling, and a pin. Wait in line to have one last photo taken by the course photographers…while waiting, I chat with a runner from Texas who was rather bitter about the course, he thought it was much too hilly and said this was his first and last marathon. Guess I’m feeling a little more positive, since I’m still talking about running Chicago next year (maybe not after reading the newspaper reports on the troubles at the Chicago race later on). The gal in front of me starts to look a bit green as well, so she goes to sit down…perhaps too much chocolate milk for her too. I get my picture taken, and now I’m ready to leave the runners area and meet Sara, Jamie and Kate at the reunion area. There they are, waiting and I tell Kate that I “won” the race, just as she hoped I would – I certainly feel like a winner. One more goodie bag full of snacks to collect on the way out (turns out to have some more chocolate milk in it – this is quickly turned over to Kate and Jamie as there is no way I have any interest in chocolate milk at this point). We take the train back to Sara’s neighborhood, where I immediately hop into a nice, long, hot bath. The recommended recovery routine is an ice bath, but that sounds sooooo unbelievably unappealing, regardless of what it is supposed to do to speed recovery. After that, much lying about watching football, rehydrating, making a few phone calls to share the news of the day, and then a nice celebration dinner out, the perfect end to the day. I’m in bed by 10:00 and sleep like a rock. I wake up with some pretty sore legs, but fortunately, Sara scheduled a massage for me that helps tremendously. I head to the airport wearing my finisher’s shirt, and I think about half of the staff at the Portland airport congratulates me or asks how the race went for me. As I write this, I’m on the plane on my way back home to Chicago…a bit tired, a few aches and pains, but very happy about the weekend.

Oh yeah - and here's a picture after the race...

ennay, Rachel, I'm so glad you both ran Portland instead of Chicago. Congrats to you both!

Anne

Congrats to the marathoners.....I'm wondering if it might be contagious!

Congrats Rachel, what a great story! Sounds like you did awesome!

Congratulations, Rachel!! You rock sooooo much!!! You're such an inspiration for me, particularly because we had the same starting weight. Imagine -- two 275-pound ladies who now get to talk about their running experiences!! You make me feel like I can do a marathon one day too, and that's such a great feeling (though I'm not convinced I'll be able to!)

That picture of you is so beautiful, and you really are tiny!! I showed it to my husband and said "Look, she started out at my starting weight and she's a runner now too. She did a marathon!!!" He said, "Wow! She's so little!" :)

As for my running, I just did a 2.2 mile trail run with my team yesterday and I can't run today because we have a meet. May not be able to run tomorrow either (eek!)

I am thinking of doing a half in the spring.

I cannot imagine a time in my life when I would have time to train for a full.

Well done Rachel, another fab time, race report and picture. I've got a lot to live up to in Amsterdam!

I did a fast-ish 6 miles with running club tonight. I was a bit naughty though, I popped into the pub on the way there for a work ladies network evening thing and ended up having a glass of wine before running. Oops! Luckily it was one of our easier routes so I didn't struggle too much with it.

Congratulations ennay and Rachel! What great stories, you both did awesome. Almost makes me want to run a marathon some day. Almost. ;)

Did 3 miles in the freezing cold and wind this morning.

Sigh....it has to be a good sign that I am saying this...

I WANNA GO RUNNING!!!! ...and I cant. Everything about me feels fine except my right foot is very sore post marathon. Hoping it will heal soon.

This marathon really was an amazing experience. Because even at 22 when I started to bonk big time I was thinking. TWENTY TWO. It took 22 miles to feel badly and the first 18 felt GOOD. WOW. This from the girl who failed the 12 minute run in highschool. WOWOWOW. I have never been so physically miserable and psychologically high at the same time before!

I'm back in the saddle - ran 4 easy slow miles today - my legs definitely were protesting the first mile (I could almost hear them saying "what, are you crazy, after what you did to us Sunday?!"). But, then they loosened up, and I feel better for having done the run.

Thanks to all of you for your congratulations. Lisa, I do feel like you and I are joined together on our journey, we share a lot in common beyond just a starting weight. And if you ever decide you want to tackle a marathon, I know you could do it - and I'll be here to cheer you on.

Finally, thanks to you. your hubby and Ennay for calling me tiny - I think that's the first time that word has ever been applied to me! While I know I'm a heck of a lot smaller than I used to be, somehow I never thought of myself as tiny...maybe I really am getting to that point. (My Jewish mother certainly thinks so :))

The aftermath of the Chicago marathon continues to swirl in the news here. Seems to split down the line of those who think anyone who decided to tackle a run in that heat knew what they were getting into and deserved what they got (not my opinion) and those who think that the race organizers could have done more to make sure adequate water and medical care was available on the course. Also a lot of bitterness about how communication when the race was called was handled. Had I been here, I'm sure I would have probably made the attempt to run it - I don't think I could have walked away from all that training without giving it a shot, but I have a feeling I would have not made it to the finish line.

Rachel, great job, I loved reading your account of the whole thing, big congrats to you!

As for Chicago, if people had to stop along the way at convenience stores to buy their own water and Gatorade , then I definitely think the race organizers were at fault. Even if it had been 60 degrees, there still needs to be enough water.

I did almost 2 miles yesterday, took me 25 minutes. (with stroller)

Race organizers failed to up the water for the heat...that is their fault.

Ironically the people most likely to NOT run because of the heat are the people most likely to be ok. Experienced faster runners with lots of training and several marathons under their belts. First time marathoners are least likely to bail. I had injury after injury for my first marathon and I still ran the sucker, injured and sick. I wouldnt have bailed for WWIII.

More experienced runners tend to be more concerned about times and would pass on a 90 degree marathon, go home, and look online for a marathon in a week or two to do instead.

And tiny is DEFINITELY the word to describe you Rachel. T-I-N-Y!