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Old 01-30-2023, 10:15 PM   #376  
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Carol Sue, I'm glad you found the tart cherry and magnesium as well as the metformin you were missing.

I ate about half of my soup which I had also added 1 chicken tender to. I have enough of the soup left over to take half it and add chicken broth and get 2 more servings from it. That is all I ate today and felt like I needed something else tonight so drinking a can of tomato juice. I didn't get much protein today.I asked on my FB cancer group about eating linttels and they said they were not keto because carbs are to high. DH got McDs for his meal today so I will have to cook a good meal tomorrow so that we both can get more protein. I might just have the protein and the soup.

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Trish, I. ate a hard cooked egg yesterday morning and scrambled eggs in the evening because my soup was low protein but my circumstances are different from yours. For some reason, I did not have racing heart at all yesterday or overnight. DH thinks its from eating so much soup. The soup might be high sodium because of the bullion cubes and the canned vegetables. Maybe I don't get enough because I don't use a lot of salt. I don't like salty foods. I will be eating soup again today. So good.

Friday is going to be a bitter cold day for us.
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Carol Sue, so glad the heart palpitations are gone and you figured out what was causing it. I don't eat a lot of sodium either. I have always tried to stay around the 2300 g or below, but sometimes you get it in places you didn't expect.

DH and I watched Dr. Thomas Seyfried's YouTube video on cancer and metabolism etc. It was quite eye opening. He suggests fasting 36 hrs and DH asked me if I thought I could do that and I told him that I am fasting 23 to 24 hrs a day now. I did drink some tomato juice last night which attributed to my slight gain this morning to 183 lbs, but I decided to go ahead and continue fasting. I think if fasting 36 hrs is good for managing or perhaps a chance of killing cancer cells then maybe 48 hrs would be good. I do want to work up to a 72 hr fast in case I ever have chemotherapy. He also says to eat ketogenic diet along with the fasting. He told of a woman who had a brain tumor and got rid of it with fasting and ketogenic diet, but then she went back to her old woe and the tumor came back and she died. So this is going to be like Dr. Fung taught us about reversing diabetes. It only works as long as you make the eating a lifestyle and not a diet.

Since I had the tomato juice last night I will probably fast till sometime Thursday so I will get a 48+ hr fast. I am doing a water fast only. Still haven't heard from oncologist and DH and DS want me to call his office, but I'm not sure they will be open again until Thursday if then because of the hazardous driving with all the ice.

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Trish, I am guessing that the sodium stopped the racing heart. I'm not sure. I ate soup again today. So far,so good.

I am going to really get my eating under control. I am down to 1 more G and Wal-Mart hasn't called me. I think its too soon. During that time when blood sugar was really spiking I was taking extra. I was so shocked when I looked in that bottle! I don't know what I'm going to do.

I'm surprised that you are not losing. You're not eating very much. I wish I could fast longer but DH is not very supportive. I did 5 days in the hospital but I was under medical supervision and I had no choice. I support your fast but hope it doesn't make you weaker. Be careful. I know a doctor recommended it but everyone is different.
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Carol Sue, I originally planned to do a 48 hr fast and if I need to cut it short then I will. Dr. Seyfried also said people with cancer should do 3 weeks fast which is what that guy did that I read that had colon cancer and it shrunk. However, I don't think I could do that. I do want to build up to 3 days only because I would want to fast the day before, the day of and the day after chemo if I have to have it.

I prayed for the Lord to help me fast and I have little to no problem fasting. I am very thankful for that. I think it is helping me to feel better so far.

You take so little G are you sure it is too early to refill? I hope you will be okay if you can't refill it at this time.

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Trish, for some reason, ever since I was sick I have been eating excessive amounts of carbs. My appetite changed. I've been getting a lot of high spikes and I take extra G. I guess this has been happening more often than I realized. Tomorrow I will call Wal-Mart and find out if I can get it. I need to change this now or get the doctor to increase my prescription. I don't want to do that. I want to eat so I don't need as much G or not at all. I know what to do. I have just allowed this to get out of control. And you know DH is not supportive.

I understand your wanting to fast and I'm glad it is helping you feel better. Your DH is supportive and will be watching to make sure you don't get too weak. It makes me feel better too.

I want to get some meat out of the freezer for tomorrow.
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Trish, my sodium on MFP comes to around 1600 per day but that doesn't include any salt I put on my food at the table, which isn't much. I don't know how much sodium is in my home made soup but I imagine its more than stated on MFP because I use bullion cubes and canned vegetables. I think I will make a cup of broth from a bullion cube on days I don't eat soup. I will have to watch my blood pressure.

Scale said 181. I thought it would go down because I woke up very hungry, but that might not matter.

I mixed my meatloaf so it would be ready when I wanted to bake it. But I screwed up and peeled and cubed the potatoes that go around it so I put it in now at 11 am. Now I'm thinking I could have put the potatoes in cold water to hold them, but it will be done early and we will eat early. I could wait and eat it later but DH will want it as soon as it comes out of the oven. I have a hard time getting him to let it rest before cutting it. He will be standing in the kitchen with a knife and a plate, I kid you not! When we eat in a restaurant I ask him "Why don't you go back in the kitchen and watch them cook your meal?". He replied " I would if I could." . I think I want green beans with my dinner. I don't eat the potatoes.

If I go out today I will go to Wal-Mart and see if I can get my meds.

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What did I tell you? As soon as the oven beeped he was standing there with a plate and fork. I told him the meat had to rest and he asked if it was tired. So he's eating his potatoes and green beans while the meat rests. What would he do if I had waited another hour to put it in the oven?

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Carol Sue, Your DH is funny. I'm sure it isn't funny to you though. I hope you will be able to get your G. I like meatloaf once in a while but DH doesn't so I don't fix it very often.

My weight this morning was 180.8 lbs. Down 10.6 lbs from January first so fluid is starting to come off. My FBG was 77. I am so excited to see what Fasting/Ketogenic woe is doing for me. I broke my fast to day with a keto breakfast of 2 eggs, 1/2 avocado and a few cooked asparagus tips and a cup of green tea.

DH and I listened to an interview with Dr. Seyfried. He is becoming my go to person because he is having success working with some docs who will use fasting/ketogenics with other treatment. He says you can say it cures cancer but it does help some people manage it and live longer. He has learned that sugar and glutamine feed cancer. I've learned that fasting at least 36 to 48 hrs and eating ketogenic will cause us to go into ketosis. Ketones kill cancer cells. Sometimes when your body starts producing ketones and can't run on sugar, it will switdh to glutamine to feed the cancer. which is in the protein we eat. I've learned that green tea will take care of the glutamine. So I've decided to drink green tea with all my meals. Dr. Seyfried says cut calories by 40%. I also read the importance of exercise. I haven't been able to do that yet but plan to start exercising a little bit each day until I get back up to 30 minutes most days.

Did you know they have meters to check ketones just like we do our blood sugar? Some of the ladies on Keto for Cancer group use them. One lady said she like to check to see which proteins knock her out of ketosis. I have one of those coming Friday. I am so excited about my plan of action. I plan to do all I can to slow this down and manage it along with prayer that perhaps I can get rid of it.

I think almost everything is shut down here in town because of the freezing icy weather. It happens so little here that everything pretty much stops. I know you people who deal with this much more than ice have ways of living with it.

Hope everyone has a safe and warm day.
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Trish on the other forum several women live in TX and said how bad it is and everything is closed. I'm glad you don't have to go anywhere.

I bought a ketone meter but never used it. Unfortunately I never eat low enough carb to get into ketosis. Some on the LC board use them.

My calories today are 1052 with 34 carbs. The meatloaf I used on MFP didn't have carbs but I know mine does,because I used 1/2 cup of bread crumbs and 2 tbs of chopped onion. But that is still low,carb for me. I'm able to stick to this because I don't have much G to lower blood sugar.
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As close as I can figure on MFP, my calores were 815 and 15 g carbs and net 9 g. I really didn't feel up to eating but did any way. I had BM that left me weak, probably needed sodium. I need to remember to have more sodium since I'm doing keto. Doesn't have to be much just enough to off set the weakness. I am thinking about doing another one day of fasting tomorrow and not eat again until Friday. Will see how things go.
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I am happy to say that I received my G. In fact,they told me they could have it ready in 15 minutes. I told them I had to leave and would pick it up tomorrow. The tech talked to the pharmacist who said she would fill it right away so they had it ready in just a few minutes. I still had a few left. I have a plan in place so I don't use extra this time.

DH loved the meatloaf and potatoes this time. He said they were excellent! It was because I cooked them longer than usual and they were "burnt" as he said. I just allowed them to get a crust on them. I told him I can do that all the time as long as he's willing to wait til I say its done and not stand there holding a plate. He said he will wait. We'll see.

I just ate a cup of soup, hoping that will keep me from having the racing heart overnight. So I went a little over on calories and my eating window was 10 hours. Not a big deal.

You're doing great, Trish, but I worry about the weakness. Be careful.
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Scale is down to 180 in spite of the 10 hour eating window so what you eat matters too. I hope to be back in the 170s soon. No palpitations.
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Carol Sue So glad you were agle to get the G. Glad you got back down to 180 lbs. Our weight is about the same. DH had me watch 2 guys on YouTube who fasted for 7 days and tracked their progress including bs etc. One thing they learned is that when you get so weak that salt was important. Also one of the guys still had a problem with weakness when having drinking the salt water and he learned that he needed to drink just 1 c of coffee and his strength came back immediatly. So lesson learned. I see my walk through this is leaning process along the way.

My weight stayed the same as yesterday 180.8 lbs which is pretty good since I had 2 meals after a 48 hr fast. Fasing groups say don't weigh after fasts because when you weigh the day after you eat you will weigh more. So to maintain is a good. FBG was 79 so that is good too. This new lifestyle of keto is doing wonders for my blood sugar.

Carol Sue Are you finding that some of the new strips with the new Walmart diabetic meter is bad. I thought that it was caused from not having enough blood, but today I know I had enough and it still wouldn't read it. I noticed it especially happens when it gets near the end of the cantainer.

Today is another fasting day. I am doing another 48 hr fast. I won't eat again until tomorrow around 3ish. I may do this for a whie especially if it fits whatever is going on around me. Still haven't heard from oncologist but will call them today. I do want to see him and see what he has to offer so I will know where I go from there.

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Trish, I am curious to hear what the oncologist has to say. I'm surprised they have never followed up with you regarding your diagnosis.

I have not had any real issues with the new meter or strips. I test often, 4-6 times per day. I still use the old meter sometimes,and the readings between the 2 are close. I'm surprised that they still sell the old strips.

I wish I could do Keto to improve my blood sugar. I think I did that when I lived alone before Keto was a thing. I can't do it with DH influencing me. I don't want to say can't. Up to this point I haven't. I can't even get him to .go for a haircut without me so there's not much chance we can eat separately. I am trying the best I can. You are fortunate that your DH is so supportive.

When I was on the fast in the hospital my potassium dipped low. If they were not doing daily bloodwork they would not have known that. Be careful.
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I called the ocologist office and they refered me to a nurse's answering machine and I left a message so still no news. I did find their web page and I am impressed that they do work to improve the life of their patients. I printed out the forms that will be needed to fill out and turn in when I go for an appointment. They also say to be prepared to stay 2 or 3 hrs for 1st appointment. It looks like it will take a while before I even get in after an appointment is set up because they will send me some sort of package before I go in.

I didn't think any surgery could ever be done, but I might be wrong. They show on line all the different types of cancer and had one on ovarian cancer and all the different treatments that are possible, but it does sound more promising of successful results of treatments offered.

Fasting is going well so far. Using the salt and drinking a cup of coffee has helped me feel better today. So far so good.

Carol Sue Lets face it. The reason DH is so supportive of what I do is because of the seriousness of my situation. Until now, he never really understood why I was so serous about doing low carb, but now he understands why I need to do ketogenic and IF.
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