Just read this on FB IDM (Dr. Fung's group) and thought I would share it for those you are trying to get rid of sugar while doing IF. I see why fasting 16 to 24 hrs daily is important. I need to work at going back to my 5:19 ration again.
Intermittent Fasting to get rid of excess sugar.
Question, What is the ideal fasting time for the body to start getting rid of excess sugars. (Type 2 Diabetes) No insulin now just metformin.
Answer, If you're doing a ketogenic diet and eating low carb, your body will empty the liver in about 16-24 hrs. After that, it'll dump it from the tissue where it's stored. It's dependent on your body and how much you have stored with how long that will take. If you're exercising, it'll burn through sugar faster. You can still get to fat burning however. If you check your ketones you'll determine when you're in ketosis. The longer you fast, the sooner you'll burn through it too, it's a combination of low carb eating and fasting.
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Trish thank you for posting that info . We need all the pointers we can get to pull all this together to our advantage. There is more to it than getting the sugar outfit our blood. We have to get it out of storage too.
I got a new tablet and it came today . I like to sit in my recliner instead of the computer chair. I like to get on with my phone but this might be better since it's bigger. It will take some time to get used to it.
Well, things went well at CHF although they couldn't help us a lot, however, they said that Daddy's thyroid medicine needs to be increased and told us that it being too low can cause confusion, tiredness etc. So the RN changed it to wrote on the reports that went back to the facility the dose and said she would also call the facility and tell them. I'm hoping this will help him. BS walked out to the van when the driver came to get Daddy and I had to stay back and talk to the RN. BS said Daddy was so relieved to learn that all this could be caused by the thyroid and told her he told her that he had really been scared he was losing his mind. In fact he told us that he told the people at the facility that he was coming back and that he didn't want to go any where else. He told them he was going to be there for years. I have to tell you that this is so hard to see a man who was so controlling and strong and powerful who now is so scared and weak and feeling so powerless. Hopefully we dodged a bullet.
I got home and was too tired to cook. I had some left over roasted chicken I bought last week so I heated that and 1/2 can of green beans in the microwave. I had eaten 2 eggs and a the rest of the roast this morning because it was easier to cook really fast. I ate only what I needed to become satisfied both times. Dr. Berry says when doing keto don't be afraid to eat protein or fat, and don't count calories. He said eat when you are hungry and when you feel full, don't eat any more. Sounds a lot like IE with IF added to it. So that is what I did today. I didn't get back home in time to eat within a 4 or 5 eating window, so I will end up with a 6 hr window. I do want to go back to the 5 hr window as much as I can with 1 or 2 days of 24 hr fast thrown in there.
I am excited that my bg was 90 before I ate the chicken and green beans. I am getting great results and loving it. I'm actually able to wear my favorite blue jeans again.
I'm going to call and check on my Daddy now and then relax for the evening and maybe take a quick nap before I get ready to wash clothes later tonight. I didn't go to the store today so I'll have to go in the morning because I need to get some veggies. I used my last stamp and need to go by the post office to get another roll so I can mail my electric bill and any others that will be coming in this month.
Y'all have a good evening and I'll catch y'all tomorrow.
Yes, for some reason, I think its British, to have pancakes, (and usually pork meats like sausage and bacon) on Shrove Tuesday. A different form of "fat Tuesday " or Mardi Gras, using up fat before Lent. I don't observe Lent anymore, though we could say fasting is an observance, but I no longer do it for religious reasons. But being grateful and allowing ourselves to give up indulgences something that we can all do, no matter our feelings of faith.
Trish, I would expect there is extra stuff in your bible study this time of year. Hope you enjoy it and get meaning from that.
I did get back to bed after my early morning post, and slept a couple of hours. I hope I can have a more solid sleep tonight.
I called to check on Daddy and he sounded great. I think just knowing that his thyroid was off and he isn't losing his mind gave him peace. We talked about the things he needs to do to keep his stamina up until he gets back to therapy so he doesn't lose ground. Hopefully they will get him back on therapy in a couple of weeks. We talked and his goal is to walk with a walker if he can. BS seemed to think we need to set some goals he can work toward since he is that kind of person. It is so good to have him happy again. I hope they get him on a higher dose of thyroid medicine in the morning.
My eating has been off today. I ate healthy and within 9 yrs but I have been hungry. I think I was just so keyed up today and once I got settled I got hungry because I ate breakfast which I don't always do and then when I ate it wasn't balanced plan. Tomorrow will be back OP. I will fast until we eat tomorrow afternoon and try to make it a OMAD to make up for eating more often today.
Trish: one of the reasons we encouraged my father to move to assisted living, was to get help with his meds. He got it into his head that he needed to take his thyroid medications at 7 am, and if he overslept, there was no reason to take it. Then because he would get low, he would sleep longer and get more confused. After he moved to the assisted living place, he actually regained independence. By them giving him his meds, and taking them regularly, he did better and was able to get out and do things more. We were so glad he had that last 18 months being as well and independent as possible. So glad the care home has found this issue.
Weight is 151 today, in spite of the carbs yesterday, yes I did put maple syrup on my pancakes. And we had berries too, as well as bacon and sausages. The girls sure enjoyed themselves. So did their parents, not having to cook. Supper was done and cleaned up about the time they usually get home from after school care. I am thinking I may try to get them once a week from school and have a supper evening with them more weeks. Will have to see if that's possible, when I am working more in April. But I will see if I can do that. Maybe it will be alternate weeks, but it would be fun, and apparently nice for their parents. I left at 630 pm, so got all the fun parts of the afternoon with the girls, and not the whiney getting tired and grumpy part of the evening, which is also good, LOL. The kids joy about me picking them up and taking them home and making supper was a great pick up and put me in a good mood.
Had the same sleep issue last night, up in the night, finally got back to sleep 2 hours later. Instead of early waking after 6 hours of sleep, this is about the same amount sleep total I think, but I am waking up at the same time as DH and don't have my own quiet time to read the news etc. He wants to talk in the morning, I like the quiet and think for myself. Don't know how to manage that. I guess I better tell him. LOL, that will be fun. Shut up dear, it's morning.
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I went for bloodwork today for post Cath testing. They never did that in the past. We will get results when I see PCP on Friday. DH is badgering me to go to the casino so we are going tomorrow. I think he should wait until he is a little more stable to be that far from home bit he doesn't want to. I told him I completely wash my hands of any undesirable circumstances. He is a grown adult and must learn to be responsible for his action. I do hope nothing goes wrong. We also had a discussion about my eating. If he wants to get pissy when I don't want to eat he is the one who will not get what he wants to eat. I vowed to love honor and be faithful. We omitted"obey" and eating was never mentioned. I'm starting to get tired of his controlling ways over things that are none of his business. He gets mad if I get up to read during the night when I can't sleep. I'm not going out to the bar for a drink. I'm going to the living room. I am starting to understand why his first wife left.
So enough for my vent. Blood sugar is staying below 150. No more spikes. Pain is starting to return which tells me the steroids are wearing off.
Trish I am glad your Dad is doing better. If something like this happens again you or someone should remind him that it's probably due to meds and he is not losing his mind. He has lived longer than many others and these things happen. I know its hard to see this. Remember that the alternative might have been to lose him sooner. It is a blessing that he is not in pain or unresponsive.
Mad I don't remember. Who are the children you speak of. I'm glad you enjoyed your time with them. I had some pancakes when we went out for breakfast. They were disappointing. DH makes much better pancakes and he just uses Great Value Complete mix. But the tradition has been observed. I observe Lent but don't consider the fasting as a religious thing. I only observe what the time period represents.
We are going to Bob Evans for salmon for me and probably fried fish for DH.
Carol: the littles are the girls I delivered to my oldest DD's best childhood friend. Her mother was a single lady on welfare, so she came on all our family holidays and stayed at our place almost as much as at her own home. I call her my daughter-from-another-mother. I am Auntie Madeleine to the kids, more like another grandma. The real grandma, (the one who was on welfare) is not in their lives. Her loss, these girls are so wonderful. They also love DH, so its like extended family. Having little ones in my life is really important to me, and days like yesterday really enforce that. I am glad we are back in this housing community where there are kids around all the time. I am still having short bouts of depression, but I think much less.
I am sorry things are tense between you and DH. I think you can be fine with just holding your ground and ignoring the "controlling ways" and do your own thing. He will get used to it over time. It doesn't sound like you feel endangered at all, (in which case I would RUN) so staying firm will work I am sure.
I know I am not easy to live with, but I don't think anyone is. My own DH is not an easy guy much of the time. Other men I lived with before him were even more difficult, IMHO though, LOL.
Still having the sleep issues, left me with a massive headache. Tylenol and hot tub have made a big improvement there. DH just got home here too.
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No I feel safe with DH. He is never the least bit physical. We don't actually argue. When we have these issues it's over and forgotten in minutes as if it never happened. I have enabled him because its often easier to do things his way to avoid conflict. But the eating issue is too important to me. And if I can't sleep I don't want to lie there listening to him snore.
We just watched an old family video from the early 90s. Everyone was so young. Some are gone now. I look terrible. I look like someone inflated a parade air balloon and if you stuck a pin in me I would deflate and fly around the room. Made me never want to eat again. Guess I should watch that video every few days.
I'm not too familiar with Lent because I've never been in a church that practiced Lent although I know some religious groups do. I have been friends with people who did Lent and we used to talk about what we would give up for Lent, but don't remember if I ever did it or not. I had to look up Shrove Tuesday and then I seemed to remember looking it up once before when y'all talked about it. I would have loved having the excuse to eat a pancake though LOL There was a time when I was young when I didn't like eating pancakes at all because they always made me sleepy. Humph, wonder if I was prediabetic back then?
fatmad I'm glad you enjoyed being with the children. I had intended to ask how it went when I wrote last night and was going to as today and as soon as I came here, you had already answered my question. I really miss our grandkids but they are all grown.
Carol Sue Have you ever explained to your DH that you have to eat the way you eat because you want to be healthier to protect your heart? Of course, he may not understand it because he seems to do his own thing regardless of his her condition. I know DH never changed and understood why I eat like I do until he had diabetes and the doctor wanted to put him on insulin.
I was so stressed that stomach was upset so I wasn't able to sleep. I ended up only getting about 5 hrs sleep if that much. I really hope I can get a full nights sleep tonight. FBG was 113, however, I actually fasted until about 4ish and my FBG before eating was 99. My weight this morning was 215.2 down .2 pts. The good thing is that it didn't mess up my diet or bs. So far I have only had 1 meal today and will try to not eat anything else today.
I hope we will all have a good nights rest tonight.
weight today 150, waist is down to 32.5 inches! when i dip just below 32 my waist size will be 1/2 my height, another good (lack of) obesity indicator, as I understand it.
FBS 5.3 (92)
Today is an eating day, and I am having breakfast. Using my almond flour substituting in for flax meal in the muffin in a minute for toast, with almond butter and a little sugar free jam. I am having a late lunch with a friend at a "raw' restaurant. They had great low carb zucchini noodles with a peanut sauce last time I was there, so will have that if its still on the menu.
DH is going skiing this afternoon and will stay overnight up there (about 2 hours north of us) so I am doing breakfast and late lunch today.
I slept quite well last night. I was so tired yesterday that I was a total couch potato when I got home from the eye doc and a couple of errands, so I am surprised I slept so well. I had even had a brief nap on the couch at one point, usually a sure fired way to keep me from sleeping. I must have really needed it, and I hope I have made up some sleep deficit. I go on call tonight for the weekend, (we always include Fridays in our weekends off, since only get alternate weekends off). The spring break for schools also starts this weekend, later, I think than you do in the USA. Not sure about other places, like Britain or Europe.
Welcome lemeillurechoix. Hope you come regularly. Most type 2 diabetics do not need to test a lot, mostly to see how our current diet is affecting our sugars, to check how we compare to lab values, etc. It was quite interesting to see me dumping glucose with Dawn Phenomenon when I was dropping weight quite rapidly. Now my fasting sugars are quite normal.
fatmad Congratulations!!! you are losing inches and that is such an awesome thing about IF. That is wonderful that you are almost out of the "obesity" range. You continue to be my inspiration. :hugs: I had forgotten about how you were dumping glucose when you first started doing IF. I'm glad you shared that because I get a lot of low FBG, but every now and then get a higher reading. I trust that it is just cleaning out the glucose from my liver. Thanks for confirming that. It is good when we know where that higher # comes from. Also the higher FBG readings are never real high like they have been in the past.
I check 2x a day for FBG. I check when I first get up in the morning and yesterday was 127 and today was 121. I always check again before I eat breakfast (when I eat it) and/or before our main meal. My bs reading before meals have got to where they are between 100 and 115. I figure that is really good.
lemeilleurschoix Welcome to our group. I've got my blood sugar down where my doctor likes it and tells me not to waste my money on needles and that I don't have to stick my fingers all the time. However, I've been working on controlling my bs for so long that I know I have to keep an eye on this and I don't want to allow it to get out of control. I firmly believe that diabetes is something that I have to stay on top of so I do what I believe I need to do to control and hopefully reverse diabetes. I am very well aware from my own experience that I don't have to live with diabetes if I watch what I eat and when I eat. I was diagnosed the 1st time when I was 40 or 45 yrs old and got it under control and was not diabetic for years until I changed the way I was eating and gained weight. I've learned for me that weighing over 200 lbs means diabetes is back and when I weigh less than 200, I'm not diabetic. My goal this time is to get weight down out of t he overweight range. Of course, everyone doesn't have the same journey that I do so it might work differently for them.
I would advise anyone who learns they are diabetic to do exactly as you suggest because I honestly believe the only way a person can control diabetes is to get a meter and check, check and learn from your meter what you can and cannot eat. Please share your story with us because although we are a small group, we have lots of lurkers and hopefully we help them get control and find their way to their on workable journey because some people do Intermittent Fasting, some do WW or some other diet plan and it helps us all to learn that we can find our own plan. Even some of us who are following a similar plan, we have learned to individualize those plans to fit our lifestyle.
Carol Sue I hope you got a good nights sleep. You said DH wants to go to the casino. I pray y'all will be fine if you go. Please take it easy. Have you been cleared to get out like that since your hospital stay? Prayers and thoughts with you.
I had a good nights sleep. I think the lack of sleep the past 2 or 3 nights was the stress with Daddy and then I read on FB that my Great granddaughter had run away from home. She is the one whose mother took her and her sister away from family and cut all ties with us. My daughter found out that DGGD is living with another family because she can't get along with her mother. She is doing fine and still going to school etc. So once everything is settled I was able to sleep. I really think the weight has a lot to do with sleep. I went to bed at 1am and slept until almost 9 am. Still a little tired but better. Weight this morning is down to 214.8. I am going to get into a routine of fasting until 3 or 4 each day and then have a small snack about 4 or 5 hrs later. I think I will have fasted 18 hrs by the time I eat at 3or 4. I want to get a minimum fast of 18 hrs each day. This way of eating seems to fit my circadian rhythm.
Y'all have a great day.
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I recently saw an article on dirty keto and wondered what that was. I joined a group on FB that is more of a Lazy Keto group. It seems they aren't always as strict all the time and I saw this reference which I thought might be more helpful to those of those trying to follow a keto/low carb plan. Since it is on DietDoctor which we have read articles from before, I trust it. I think most of the time, I fall somewhere in between the 2 extremes because some days I'm strict and other days I'm not. I think I'm more of a moderate low carb diet most days and I do it along with IF.
Carol: did you accidentally post a win in the wrong thread? how is that, I thought they were locked when we switched to the new thread.
Trish: have you tried to contact DGGD yet? now that she is away from home, maybe she will be receptive, especially if she understands that you have have wanted to be in her life.
I am under 150 today, in spite of yesterday being an eating day. So all good. waist still at 32.5 so getting closer, even if weight is not changing much. I would still like to get it down a bit more before my trip to Germany and seeing DD.
I am on call for the weekend, but all quiet last night. I hope to be busy though.
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DH won a jackpot at the casino yesterday. $3,778. My money was long gone and he was down to his last $4.xx. So he is doing the happy dance, having won over $6000 in the past 7 days. We have medical bills, car and home insurance and property tax all coming due soon so this windfall will help out. Normally I have to resort to my credit card with these things hitting all at the same time.
Trish, I was released right away for regular activity as tolerated, with the exception of no lifting more than 5lbs and limited stairs for the next day or so. It's a relatively minor procedure I had. My bruise got bigger, but lighter as the days passed, and it is still a little tender.
I had a slight hypo overnight. I got up for the bathroom and I was very shaky. I stuck a piece of hard candy in my mouth right away even before I tested. I was at 70. G is the reason. I didn't take my meter or meds with me to the casino and I ate relatively low carb there, but when I got home BG was over 200. You know how carbs sneak in where you think there are none. I ate carrots, and I think they were glazed, etc. I also wonder when I ask for diet soda in a restaurant, I can't be sure they don't give me regular. So I took G around 8PM which I rarely do. 70 is low but not dangerously so, but I was afraid it would go lower. This morning it is at 90. The big news is I broke into the new decade. 179!! I am a little dehydrated so I do expect to bounce, but it was very nice to see that number.
Trish, on the LC forum, many refer to "dirty fasting" when they allow coffee with cream, etc. I refer to myself as "dirty LC" because my carb level is higher than what is normally called LC.
DH knows that my medical issues make it necessary for me to eat healthy. It's just that when he wants to eat, he wants me to eat, too. He doesn't really care a lot WHAT I eat, but if he wants to order a larger meal he wants me to, too. On Sundays this one restaurant has a stuffed pork chop special that is delicious, but really a lot of food. We like to get it, but sometimes I just want something small. So he won't order the pork chop dinner unless I do. I think that is very silly. I never limit what I order based on what he's ordering. During our marriage, I was his "eating buddy." My eating was out of control for so long he could lure me anywhere he wanted to go with the promise of food and a lot of it. I was very weak. He cannot get used to the fact that that has changed.
Growing up our Methodist church "observed" Lent, such as recognizing the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ, but it was done with special services, communion etc. There was no fasting or giving things up. That was practiced more in the Catholic religion. DH is Catholic, but he doesn't even observe it the way it was done when he was a kid. He eats fish on Friday...that's about the extent of it, and if he wants meat, he doesn't let Lent stop him from having it. He just likes fish and it is plentiful in restaurants in this area on Fridays. There is a very big Catholic population in our area and Fish Frys are a big thing at fire halls and other organizations. If you can't find fish on a Friday during Lent, you aren't looking!!
I heard about the pancake thing from a co worker at work. I think it's more of a Mardi Gras tradition rather than religious, and is done for good luck. This is how I take it. DH being raised Catholic never heard of it.
Trish, you are doing very well with managing your diabetes and weight loss. It will come gradually. And Mad has done great, too, with her fasting. I am still not so good with my food choices. I know what I SHOULD choose, but some other things call my name and I come running. I fast a bit, but they are shorter fasts and not as often, but to me, some is better than none.
Today I have a PCP appt at 1. Since it's the first Friday during lent, the restaurants will be packed with people wanting fish. DH likes fried fish. In the past I have bought these frozen breaded Whiting fillets in Walmart that can be fried up in a pan in a few minutes each side, and they are very good for what they are, but DH doesn't want them. He wants fish deep fried in a restaurant. Sometimes we can avoid long waits by eating earlier, around 3.
