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Hi Rennie, I would be very happy with FBS of 100! I'm struggling with that again for some reason. I would also be very happy with your weight loss so far, but you have done the work and I haven't so you deserve it! You will get there. Weight lost slowly is better for maintaining, or is that just something they tell us so we won't get discouraged? LOL

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Yesterday, we went to the casino. I meant to check my BS before we got there to see how it was before I ate but I forgot and left my meter in the car. I tried not to eat much carbohydrate. When we left to go home I checked BS to see how much damage I had done. Not only was my BS very high, but there was a sign of a thermometer on the screen. At first I wondered why, then I realized that the meter was in a very cold car for several hours! I stuck the meter in my bra to warm it up and checked again and my sugar was way down. So I got that bad reading because the meter was cold. There was a 150 point difference! I know never to do that again.
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Ruth sorry to hear about your friend

Hi Everyone, I'm doing well. I could complain but everything that I would say isn't, well is my fault so no need for complaints

My fbs has gotten better this week. The lowest was 100. My weight has been (sigh) gaining and losing the same pounds over and over. Gonna try to work on that this month

Shannon haven't heard from you in awhile

Trish, thanks for the email and for thinking of me

Carol Sue thanks for stopping by to say hi on the other thread. Wow on the meter, who knew! Glad you thought to warm it up.

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Sorry I haven't been here because there hasn't been much going on. My FBS went up to 122 last week. I made some changes that I thought would be acceptable, but obviously was not. So I'm back to eating like I did the week that I had the 108 reading. My FBS was 118 this morning.

I just haven't had much to share lately. I suddenly realized when I talked to my sister Thursday that I've been depressed. Not exactly sure why, but I'll be glad when the weather warms up so I can spend time on my back porch. DH likes a room with little light and I love a bright place in the morning when I get up. I end up staying inside too much and I think I just need my time on my bright back porch back. So I've got to get out of this slump.

Ended the month with a 3.2 lb loss and FBS 16mg lower than on Jan 1. So there is improvement so I am thankful for it being that good. If I could just do that each month, I would be down about 38 lbs by next January and my fbs just might be normal. So I need look at this optimistically and see it as a good sign and thankfully Keep doing what I'm doing. Even though it is very slow, it is working. Like you said Carol Sue They say it is better to lose slow. They claim it is easier to keep it off if we lose slow. I hope they are right.

Rennie I'll have to go read what you wrote, but from what Carol Sue wrote, you must be doing really good. I am happy for you. Hopefully this is our year to get it right for us too.
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Sorry I haven't been here because there hasn't been much going on. My FBS went up to 122 last week. I made some changes that I thought would be acceptable, but obviously was not. So I'm back to eating like I did the week that I had the 108 reading. My FBS was 118 this morning.

Trish, if you don't mind, would you expand on what I have highlighted above? I'm sure others beside me would like to hear what you have been doing that has made such a big change in your BS and weight.

Many people get SAD, "seasonal affected disorder." My step-daughter is like that. She gets very depressed in the winter and anytime the weather is dark and dreary. I think I am the same all the time. I got into the habit of spending most of my time indoors because of my allergies. Lately, I have been having trouble with my eyes, and they are extremely sensitive to the sun. It shines in my eyes and my eyes water badly and I can't see unless I really squint. If the sun is really bright, when I come in the house I am seeing spots for several minutes until my eyes adjust. I am OK if I am just looking out the windown when it's sunny outside. I will have to discuss this with the eye doctor when I go for my exam.
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I hadn't read the thread in a few days. Just hadn't been online much.

Ruthie I am so sorry about your friend. I'm sure she would want you to take your meds and take good care of yourself. I know you and the other Mods who were so close to her will miss her a lot. Prayers for peace and comfort coming y'alls way.

Shannon Glad you got your book and looking forward to what you learn.

Carol Sue I'm glad you got your books. I've learned a lot from the Magic Foods that has helped me a lot. Like all the books we read, I may not agree with everything, but there is a lot that I do.

I am drinking milk again with no problem. I guess whatever my problem was left when I got the Metformin out of my system. My system is finally working almost normal. I digestive system and bowels are almost normal now. I did learn that I do have to kind of limit the grains although I do seem to need them.

The thing I really disagree on is their theory of coconut oil being bad because of it being a saterated fat. In fact, I do better if I have one serving a day of it and knowing the health benefits, I use it any way. Also, they say use 0 to 1 % milk, but I found out that DH would drink the 2% milk, but had switched to the whole because the 2% was spoiling too fast because he was the only one drinking it. He said if I go back to drinking it that he would drink either 1 or 2%. I suddenly remembered that every time he was in the hospital that they had him on special diets and they always gave him 2% milk even for a snack. My sister told me that she has gone back to drinking 2 glasses a day of 2% milk and noticed that the swelling in her legs had gone down. She didn't know if she has lost any weight or not.

I decided that if the hospital allowed 2% milk on their diets that maybe it isn't as bad for you as they say. They have learned a lot since these books were written so I'm keeping the coconut oil and the 2% milk in my diet plan.

I read that fenugreek is good for helping lower blood sugar. Can't find the plant in the store yet, but did find the supplement so I bought a bottle. You have to be careful taking it and closely watch the bs when taking it because it can cause you to go too low. I don't think DH could take it for that reason and because he is on Warfarin. No problem for me so I've decided to take it. I would like to find the plant though. You can read about it in the Magic Foods book and then I googled the benefits and found out about the interaction with the meds.

Carol Sue Did you read the Steps to setting yourself up for success in the Dummies book? it really helped me to see that if I set a goal and then realize that those off days will become less and less if we just learn to realize and accept the fact that they will happen from time to time and and not to let it cause you to give up, but just move on back on track. I got the feeling that everyone experiences these times and those who are successful at reaching their goals just don't get stuck because of these situations that cause them to "fall of the wagon". It has really helped me to stop getting derailed so much.

In fact, the fact that I had a week of getting my fbs down to 108 and keep it there a few days has been a real encouragement to me because I now know it can be done with a few grains in my plan. I have to admit that when I got back in the 120s for a few days almost derailed me because I couldn't figure out what I had done, but I was trying to expand some of my choices even within allowed foods. Then I remembered "one size doesn't fit all" thinking. I realized just because that food might be ok for some, it wasn't for me. I also realized that I had more than 5 higher carb foods than I should have. It took me a few days to remember what I had read in the dummies book, but when I did, I found it easy to move on. Hopefully the more I learn to move on will help so that an off meal or day will become a "no big deal" in time.

Sorry I'm so wordy. Mostly thinking out loud as well as sharing.

Have a great week Everybody.
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Trish, if you don't mind, would you expand on what I have highlighted above? I'm sure others beside me would like to hear what you have been doing that has made such a big change in your BS and weight.

Many people get SAD, "seasonal affected disorder." My step-daughter is like that. She gets very depressed in the winter and anytime the weather is dark and dreary. I think I am the same all the time. I got into the habit of spending most of my time indoors because of my allergies. Lately, I have been having trouble with my eyes, and they are extremely sensitive to the sun. It shines in my eyes and my eyes water badly and I can't see unless I really squint. If the sun is really bright, when I come in the house I am seeing spots for several minutes until my eyes adjust. I am OK if I am just looking out the windown when it's sunny outside. I will have to discuss this with the eye doctor when I go for my exam.
First, I think the sun bothers DH because of some of the medication he is on. That could be your problem as well as you seem to take some of the same meds since you both have had heart issues.

The way I ate the week my fbs came down.

I never ate more than 5 higher carb (mostly carby fiber) each day. Although I do have days when I have my favorite egg breakfasts, most days I have a grain cereal which I like mine to have at least 5 g fiber... for me it is usually oatmeal. There are some cold cereals with 5 or more g of fiber. I use either berries or dice an small apple in it. The book suggested 0 to 1% milk, I like yogurt in mine and I sprinkle a little cinnamon and slivered almonds in mine.

Lunch is a balanced meal with some type of grain. When I eat beans, I ate it with barley I made in place of rice. And I've learned that it also is good to eat at least a 2 c salad with ACV and EVOO. The ACV makes the whole meal diabetic friends because even if it is a higher carb meal that normally would cause the bs to spike that the ACV will cause the spike to slow down. For example, every Saturday DH loves pizza for lunch. I read that if I ate at least 2 cups of salad with ACV and EVOO along with the pizza that it would slow down the bs spike. It really works. If you don't want or can't get a salad, I drink lemon water which does the same thing.

Dinner is usually more like lunch for me smaller meal. I usually make the turkey sandwich she mentioned in the dummies book with lettuce, tomato, onion and dill pickle and I use mustard instead of lowfat mayo on the whole grain 45 calorie Sara Lee bread. I usually finish the meal off with an apple.

I usually don't eat snacks. However, if I really need one later, I have a cheese stick and wrap a deli slice of meat around it and it does the trick.
I drink mostly water, some green tea and in the morning 2 coffee with stevia and ff half and half. And I recently started drinking 2 cs of milk a day

Also the question you asked about 5 guys, I love to eat there. It is a good place because they do offer the burgers in a bowl however you want it. Easy to stay low carb.
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just hunkered down by the wood stove today. Stormy out there, so have cancelled visits. Had a busy weekend with two babies, so they are here safely before this storm hit.
I had a carb day on Saturday, as I was constipated, but of course, I over did it. I ate too much period and way too many carbs. Things are moving again, but so did the scale, with a gain of 2 pounds.
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Ruth: I am sorry to hear about Jiff. Losses get more common but not easier as we get older.
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Trish, that is very interesting how you arrange your food for the day. I have begun reading Magic Foods for Better Blood Sugar and I have seen so many references to the magic foods you are using. I have tried doing some of those things in the past and they have not had any effect on my BS, but maybe I tried them once or twice and decided they weren't working for me. I probably should have done it a little more consistantly to see results.

I got out my Consistent Carb diet that gave me in the hospital and was looking at it. It says to eat 5 carb choices at each meal, but I notice that their carb list includes fruit, milk, and starchy veggies like peas and corn. Even with that, I was not choosing 5. It was more like 3. So it was pretty close to how you are eating.

This menu was for both men and women, so they probably didn't expect the women to choose as much as the men would.

I think I will go back to using the ACV and the cinnamon. I didn't feel that it worked before but it can't hurt me. I will buy a bag of apples and try them again.

I love that Sara Lee bread and I buy the multigrain. I keep it in the refrigerator so it's out of sight and I don't snack on it. I only have a couple slices per week. I don't buy deli meat because I will binge on it.

What kind of beans do you eat?
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Mad, we were posting at the same time. After I had my surgery the doctor had me using Colace, and I continued using it because I liked the fact that it kept me regular. Recently I read that you shouldn't take them long term so I quit taking them. 3 weeks now without them and I'm fine. But then I eat a lot of vegetables. Glad to hear things improved! LOL That weight gain was probably fluid because carbs cause fluid retention.
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Ruth sorry to hear about your friend

Hi Everyone, I'm doing well. I could complain but everything that I would say isn't, well is my fault so no need for complaints

My fbs has gotten better this week. The lowest was 100. My weight has been (sigh) gaining and losing the same pounds over and over. Gonna try to work on that this month

Shannon haven't heard from you in awhile
Rennie I hope you'll hang around more - we miss you! That's a great FBS!!! I have not checked mine since sometime last week but it was in the 120s :-(
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I think I will go back to using the ACV and the cinnamon. I didn't feel that it worked before but it can't hurt me. I will buy a bag of apples and try them again.
Carol Sue I bet Donna has mentioned this before but there is a popular homemade drink with this plan called Good Girl Moonshine. There are a million variations of it but the item that is typically the same in all is 1-2 tbsp of the raw ACV. The one I have been liking lately is called Mama Dew and it is made to be similar to Mt Dew. It uses seltzer water, though I've also made it with plain water since carbonation sometimes bothers my stomach. Here is a recipe and you can double it or reduce it based on the amount you want to try. 1 liter (approx 33 oz) seltzer water, 2 tbsp lime juice, 2 tbsp ACV plus whatever sweetener and amount you like (I use about 5 droppers of the liquid stevia extract). Mix gently and pour over ice. There are other variations out there that supposedly taste like Hawaiian fruit punch - uses red zinger tea as the base. If you google Good Girl Moonshine you should find tons. The original recipe has ginger powder in it which aids in digestion and I like it too but I've been experimenting with variations. Anyway, just a suggestion for getting ACV in - I can hardly stand it but can drink it in this homemade drink pretty good.
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Well, I am now up to pg 110 in the book and getting a pretty good idea of what it is about. I am nervous about it because it does allow for more carbs than I allowed myself previously but I actually really agree with their reasoning - totally makes sense to me and explains some issues I saw last year with my diet and why it has been hard for me to get back on it permanently. I do hear of people going off the wagon with this diet as well and being unable to get back on but I think that is with any plan. I see a lot more folks having lost their weight and maintained it for longer with this plan than I used to see with LCHF so that is encouraging. Unlike many plans which just tell you to eat a little more or allow a little more when you reach maintenance, this plan has a more concrete/detailed plan for when you get to that point and perhaps that is why there seems to be alot of success around maintaining with this plan. I also have seen more "skinny" people using this plan just because of how much better they feel when they eat this way, not because they need to lose weight. So, we will see. Just as a comment, I do not see hardly any references at all on 3FC to this plan but I think that is because there are sooo many Facebook groups for this plan and other forums specific to this plan. If you happen to see Woman's World magazine in the checkout line on the cover it says something about America's hottest underground diet. It is an article about Trim Healthy Mama - so take a look if you get a chance. There are a few inaccuracies in the article but mostly it is fine.

The general idea is that you do not mix fuel sources at meals. You always have a foundation of protein but you will either add to that a fat fuel source or a carb fuel source, not both. At a fat fuel source meal (called S meals) you can have some carbs but not more than I think 10 grams and they have to be from non-starchy vegetables or plan approved carb sources. At a carb fuel source meal (called E meals) you eat leaner meat (to avoid added fat) and only are allowed 1 tsp of oil/butter but you can have the starchier vegetables, more fruit options, etc. You cannot go over 45 grams of carbs in this type meal. You vary the S and E meals however you want. Most folks seem to like S meals at dinnertime because it leaves them fuller before bed and less prone to snacking. They want you to eat every 2.5 -4 hours (preferably as close to 3 hrs as possible) and definitely no closer than 3 hrs if you are switching fuel sources (ie. if breakfast is an E and lunch is an S you want to make sure your body has time to burn off the carbs from breakfast before switching it to burning fat at lunch). I think you can have up to two Snack times a day as long as there are 3 hrs between all the eating episodes. Foods that are "out" just like with the regular low carb plans include regular wheat pasta, white rice, regular breads, white potatoes - nothing different there really - but they allow Dreamfields pasta, quinoa, brown rice and rolled or steel cut oats which I had cut out entirely before. I think like with any new plan there is a period of time you have to think through what you are eating - I can remember with WW I would go around my pantry and write point values in sharpie marker on everything because it takes a while before you just KNOW what they are - I think it's the same with this. S meals will be fairly easy bc it is essentially LCHF all over again. The E meals are a little more challenging because of limiting the fat whereas I am used to piling on the fat! Anyway, like I said, the book really made sense to me though it make sound confusing or too complex, it really isn't - basically you are forcing your body to burn through what you eat and then start burning your fat cells after that, you aren't eliminating any food group which ensures that you are constantly switching things up which is good for metabolism and you are waiting enough time between eating to make sure your body has the time to burn through what you've eaten. Hopefully that helps. I am starting today - though with lots of grace. I'm still learning. I also start classes this week - have three night classes this week and two next week - it was a crazy week to start this but this is just how it fell so I will get started and we will see how it goes.

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Shannon, that plan sounds like a healthy balanced diet. I like the sound of it. It would take some getting used to, learning when to eat and what to include in each meal, but not as complicated as some other plans. I have some questions, so I will probably google it and see what I can find. I keep swearing off buying new books. LOL

The thing that gets confusing for me is one plan will say that you have to eat some carbs each day, others say to limit carbs. I guess that's where the "One size does not fit all" comes into play.

I think we in the US have gotten accustomed to eating larger portions of carb than our bodies were meant to handle. If you look at a carbohydrate portion list you see that a normal portion is around 1/2 cup and if we had been doing that all along we would not have the problems we're having.

I have never actually done LCHF. I never added extra fat to increase my fat intake, but I would just not eat things labeled low fat. I would use butter on veggies and in cooking, and did not go out of my way to eat lower fat meats. At other times I would use Pam for cooking my eggs because they don't stick, and I also buy Spray Parkay to put on my veggies and it has no calories, no fat, etc but tastes like butter. There was a girl at work who used to spray it on her toast!

At first I could hardly stand the ACV but I got used to it after I started adding the lemon juice. I'm OK without adding a sweetener.

I think my best bet would be to plan my meals for the whole day and then stick to the plan. I do too much impulse eating. Right now I can't get my blood sugar to come down no matter what I do.
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Fatmad So happy for you and the mothers that their babies were born before the big storm. Perfect timing. Stay warm. Yesterday wasn't my best eating OP day. Today is a new day.

Carol Sue I think I always got hung up on the high carb count too because I forgot that fruits and veggies carbs count too. However, I think what through me off was the day I went to a meeting with a nutritionist and she took the famous Pyramid they used back in the 80's and 90's and she pointed to the starchy carbs and said, " want you to eat 11 of these foods a day". She then said, "I want you to eat greens" and I looked straight at me and said "And I don't mean green beans". I had no problem with the greens request, but I knew that I would die from carb overload if I ate 11 starchy foods in one day. From then on, I just didn't pay attention to nutritionists because they wanted to give me a food plan that was full of the starchy carbs. Even today, I've learned that if I go over the 5 carby foods in one day like I did last night, my fbs is going to be up like it was this morning. It was 124 this morning because I had crackers with turkey and lf cheese during the game. My weight was up 1.6 lbs this morning.

I do agree that consistency is the key to all of this as well. I am back OP this morning. I am going to have to figure something out for Sundays. I tried drinking a shake with fruit before church yesterday morning. That would have worked for me because that is what I do on Saturday, but I spread the meals apart pretty good then. However, we just eat our main meal too early on Sunday for both DH and me. We find ourselves starving the rest of the day. I thought about making wings for a snack during the game and I think I should have made them, but DH didn't want any. Thus the cracker snack.
I did try eating 1 carrot with spinach dip snack when I started it, but even a carrot at night raises my fbs the next day. Only the cheese/deli turkey wrap works so far. While I can deal with a 120's reading is not a problem for a learning experiment with different foods, I want to be more consistent with lowering the fbs for now because I want a really good A1c when I see the doctor in March. So I will stick with what works and save the learning experiments till after the doctor's appt.

Shannon I am very picky right now for what I purchase in books. I may have to go to the library and see if they have it. But sounds like that book you are reading just might have some good info for me tweaking my plan. Just from the few things you have shared tells me why my plan works and could help me learn what things I need to change for those times when it doesn't. I see with some tweaking that even those times could be improved so that they would work for me. I just use ACV in regular water with Stevia. DH keeps seltzer water all the time. I like the idea of making a drink using the ACV in it. I will look up some of the other flavor etc and make it like a treat as I don't mind the taste. Do you just drink off it during the day? How much of it do you drink? Another drink I use a lot is green tea once a day. Thanks for sharing.

Rennie I hope you will be able to check in with us more often as well.

DH and I are going out today. Got to go get a few things at Sam's. Also going by one or two more stores. Have only one store here that keeps the seltzer water and have go there. I want to get some greens and make some fresh cooked mixed greens of my choice like kale and mustard for starters.

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