Over 300 with issues and needing help
 

Hi my name is Aggie,
I have been here for a few weeks now and I love this site. Today I would like to share some issues that I have and help if anyone has the same problems or suggestions that may help me.
I am 5 foot 3 and I weigh 331 pounds. I have lost weight since starting this journey, 27.8 pounds to be exact and am happy for this, but I still have some problems. I am pretty ashamed to ask but someone out there maybe can give be some advice. Being as short as I am, most of my weight is around my stomach and it hangs badly which means alot of my fat lays on my legs. I have such a problem with sweating which leads to other problems. Now that I am losing weight the skin is gettling flabby which makes we sweat. What can I do about it. I have a hard time bathing myself so my daughter, bless her heart tries her best to help me with that when my husband is not at home. (He is a trucker and is on the road alot). I know that I am a burden and I do not want to me. I hope that I am not making anyone sick, but I need help and answers. I use baby powder and that is only a bandaid on the situation because it does not last long and the pain sometimes is almost unbearable. Can anyone tell me what to do?

Aggie:?:

All help appreciated:hug:

Hello Aggie,
I"m 5 ft 2 and I'm at about 320 right now, what kind of excercises are you doing?

Hi Aggie,

I found the 100% corn starch baby powder works best. I certainly remember being so hot all the time! I'd be sweating and people were wearing sweaters.

Hugs to you and gratz on 27+ lbs!!!

Luv,
Ratkitten

Welcome! I am the same body shape as you and totally understand what it is like. When I am having chafing and a rash then Vaseline works really well. If there is no rash I use something absorbent like cornstarch powder. I have been thinking about trying maybe foot powder too. To access the area, I have used a bathroom robe belt to pull back on my stomach when I am lying down. Usually, my mother, whom I live with it, helps out instead and applies the stuff while I pull it back.
Wow that is a lot of TMI;) Hope that it was of some help to you. Congrats on your weight loss.
Pennie.

Thank you all for your responseSweetcakes736, right now I am walking with the DVD Walk away the pounds but I am not consistent. Some evenings when I get home from work my legs are just to tried from standing all day. I have done the dvd twice and could only do 1/2 a mile. Hope to get better at it and more consistency with it. I cannot excercise without my support stockings on for I have , I know I will misspell this, lymphadema in my legs from a fall I had. I cannot always get them on by myself so that also limits me.

Ratkittem, I will try the cornstartch powder or maybe even pure cornstartch. So many times my skin is just raw and hurts to the touch and Lord know my underwear often makes it worse with the rubbing against it.

CatWuv, does vaseline really help the rash? I had not tried it because I thought it would just keep it moist. The bath robe belt sounds like a great tool to try. Now tell me CatWuv, what does TMI mean. I am so new at this computer talk, I don't know all the lingo yet. Help an old chick out (56) and just don't know. Will be awaiting your posts.

Thanks guys for the support and keep it coming. Love all of you much.
Aggie

I didn't want it to get lost in my rambling post (below) so I edited and added it here on the top. I have another tip for the underwear elastic "wounds" besides just the zinc oxide cream - I buy the Just My Size brand undies at Walmart that are "boy cut" they're like shorts, so there is no elastic at the leg bottoms to rub in the leg crease. I was getting such bad chafing in the legs it felt like the elastic was trying to saw my legs off (and the undies weren't too small for me), and it would be really raw and painful (turns out the cornstarch I was using was making the situation worse as I explain below).

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I have had skin issue due to the weight and autoimmune disease which was making me very prone to bacterial and yeast infections which was making the skin fold problem worse. My dermatologist recommended using Head and Shoulders shampoo as a face and body was (as well as a shampoo) or the generic equivalent (has to contain zinc pyrithione). The zinc kills bacterial and yeast infections. It's so amazing, my skin has never been better.

The dermatologist also told me that almost all powders, make skin fold problems worse (because no matter how fine the powder or how soft it feels, it's basically like tiny pieces of sand rubbing a wound more raw). Talcum is the most abrasive, and corn starch is a carbohydrate that yeasts and bacterias can feed on. She recommended zinc oxide cream (often sold with the first aid creams called "skin protectant cream", with sunscreens and tanning products, or in diaper rash creams - they're all the same cream and the diaper rash creams are often the cheapest).

I used to buy whatever was cheapest. And there's nothing wrong with that, but most of the zinc oxide creams are very greasy and very white. So if I had a flare on my face, I looked like a clown (I originally went to the dermatologist for an impetigo-like rash on my face from the yeast bacteria that causes dandruff - I didn't know you could get "dandruff" on your face - although calling the seborrheic dermatitis on my face dandruff, was like calling Godzilla a lizard, really yucky stuff, hubby calls it "face rot").

Any way, I found a clear zinc cream with the sunscreens that I use on my face now, and I buy Johnson's brand 3 in 1 diaper rash cream for everywhere else. It's not as greasy, easier to wash off, and can rub in. It still has a whitish cast, so I could use it on my face if I liked looking deathly pale (I will use it at night sometimes) I love this stuff as it's a miracle cure for almost all skin issues I have. It also seems to prevent sweating, or at least the chafing from sweating. After I wash and dry myself thoroughly after a shower, I will use the Johnson's just like any body lotion. Well not exactly like any lotion, as I don't rub it all over, just in the creases, and my feet (it's become my "cure" for any skin area that is burny, itchy, sweaty, rashed, chafed or mild skin burns and cuts.

It's even cleared up my rosacea (which may not have been rosacea at all, it might have been the seb derm).

I don't get itchy burny feet any more, because I use the Johnson's on my feet.

The skin on my face looks better than ever.

It prevents or treats underboob rash, and all "crease" and chafing areas.

It's sort of like my version of "windex" in the My Big Fat Greek Wedding movie. Any skin problem clears up so fast with topical zinc. I recommend it so much, you'd think I owned a zinc mine.

Hi Aggie

I've found that diaper rash cream is really good (only for when you have the rash, not as a preventative measure). I think that the rash is quite similar to diaper rash in that it is caused by damp skin that is being chafed and so diaper rash cream is well suited to treating it. The other thing that is good is called Body Glide, which is made for runners to stop their legs rubbing together etc. You can get it from sports shops or on the internet, it is a clear stick, quite like a stick deodorant and you just rub it where you tend to get the rash - also, because it is quite small you can take it in your purse and top up during a break from work if need be without risking getting talc on your clothes.

I always use talc after I've washed to make sure my skin is completely dry, but I don't like to rely on it soaking up moisture during the day as I find it dries out my skin and then the skin is even more vulnerable to being rubbed.

Another thing I've found helpful is to steer clear of panties that have elastic that has tiny loops around the edge - every other pair I look at has this. I have to make sure that I have smooth edged elastic and this has helped reduce the chafing.

Good luck with your weightloss!

Lillibeth

Thanks guys for all the advice, I will try them and pray they work for me.

Aggie

What about calendula cream? I haven't had any rash issues but my I know when my boys have bad yeast-y rashes in the diaper area, which is almost never dry, and very crease-y, the calendula cream is like a miracle cure. It's usually labelled as diaper rash cream but as well as of zinc it contains calendula. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

ps. "TMI" means "too much information"

I had these problems as well. I found that Desitin diaper rash cream, (or the generic equivalent) worked great for the under belly/breast areas. After I showered and washed well with a mild soap, I'd towel dry and then take my hair/blow dryer (cool setting) and dry under my stomach (and breast) until it was thoroughly dry. Then I'd apply a thin layer of the desitin. Worked great. I also found that breathable panty-liners changed frequently helped with moisture problems.

Congratulations on your loss so far! You will be amazed how you "cool down" as you continue on your journey. Last summer our A/C bill was about 1/3 what it was the year before, and I'm excited about this summer to see how much more we save. For the first time in years, I'm actually cold all the time, and wear several layers of clothing. For the last 3 winters, (before this one) I didn't have winter coat that fit, wouldn't buy one because I didn't need one. A sweater was all I wore during a cold Nebraska winter....Now I look like an Eskimo when I head out the door!

Kaplods, thanks for the tip on the zinc. I told my Mom to try it on her itchy ankles, and I will try it this summer for my rash under my boobs. I've never found an adequate solution for that, and had to give up wearing bras years ago.

That was great info ladies!!! Thanks Leeesa for bringing me into the 21st century, TMI, I'v got it now. Lori Bell, more great info, hair dryer great idea and will try that cream. What is really great, if the electric bill goes down my hubby will be so happy. I use to feel so sorry for him, poor baby thought he actually lived in the Artic thanks to me. Our bedroom was like a meat locker. LOL Check me out, LOL, the lingo, I am just getting so way cool. Do they still say that?

I have found a cure for that nasty rash.
This works like a miracle OVERNIGHT.
Get Aquaphor (like vaseline, but different). It comes in a tube or a jar.
Apply that first on anyplace that there is a rash. Then use Malox (yes, Malox) and apply that in the same areas, rubbing it in the aquaphor. (Don't use mint, because it kind of stings). You will be shocked!!
Works better than RX treatments. Works great on diaper rash too, in case you know anyone with babies!

Donna

First off WELCOME! :hug:

Secondly, I have some of these issues as well. I mean I have grey skin south of the border and a few issues there with raw skin and such. I can't seem to find anything to work lol, but that is mostly because of my limitations due to my allergies and such.

A few things I've noticed though and this probably is going to get a "me too" from everyone:

- The more weight I loose the better my skin gets

- The grey or dirty looking skin is getting better. I notice this every time I loose about 10 pounds. I look and things are just "better"

- Rashes are getting less and less. Now I'm dealing with scalp issues mostly, which are stable, but annoying. I believe it is a yeast thing anyhow. Even my down south issues are the same, candida related, which is common for us big gals. A few things I've been doing to help along that is cutting out vinegar as much as possible. Along with that, sugar and that includes corn, even raw. Starchy things as well. All of these can feed and produce candida overgrowth so I think dietary changes are key in the healing process.

- Powder can make things worse. If something is moist then I have found powder either feeds the area, rubs it more raw, or creates an icky paste. I only use powder when I have light issues. Like my bra rubbing on my skin, under my breasts, and making it a bit irritated. I use the new Gold Bond Healing powders and that works great and smells good. It is talc free, but I believe it is cornstarch based, which isn't ideal, but it works for the small stuff for me personally. I only use it under my boobs though, which have their own issues haha.

- The more I read and research, the more I am hearing that the cure all is Zinc lol. Even with scalp conditions. Zinc zinc zinc. That brings me to "Head and Shoulders" or shampoos that have Zinc based. I started using that as a body was, in a non-sensitive area that is south of the border, and the results are slow, but I'm starting to believe that it is doing something. Using it all over my body would be a no-no for me, but in select areas it is okay. I suggest trying it.

- Tea tree oil is good. I've been using that for a long time. It can cause an allergic reaction so make sure you test it on yourself first. However, it is a natural antiseptic, powerful, smells to high heaven, but the oil absorbs into the skin much differently than a cream. It also helps with itching. I put it on my scalp and it burns lightly for a bit, then the itching will stop for hours and hours. :D I love the stuff. I use it for cuts, some rashes, and more. :D

:hug::carrot:

Ladies this all great stuff I am hearing and I am trying. Gotta tell ya gals, the malox through me for a loop as well as the head and shoulders, but hey I will give it a try, nothing can be worse than what I am going through right now.

Aggie

I have extremely sensitive skin. I haven't been able to find a makeup that doesn't irritate my skin. Dry mineral makeup seems to be the least reactive, so I use that on very special occasions. If I have it on my face for more than three or four hours, though I will break out in blemishes at best and my face will be red and irritated, looking almost sunburned at worst.

The zinc dandruff shampoo doesn't irritate my skin at all, even in the most delicate areas and I use it as my only soap/shampoo. I prefer Walmart's equivalent brand. I like the fragrance better and it doesn't seem to be as drying. I usually buy the Walmart's 2 in 1, shampoo and conditioner because it's got the moisturizer right in it. I still buy the Head and Shoulder's brand conditioner for my hair (only because the Walmart "Equate" brand doesn't come in a conditioner only).

Funny thing - On my first visit to the dermatologist after she recommended the Head and Shoulders, I was chatting with the doctor's nurse or CNA and I told her how wonderful the Head and Shoulders was as a body wash, and the woman looked horrified that I had used it as a body wash. When I told her the doctor had told me to, she looked very skeptical and asked if I was sure the doctor had told me that. Well that got me thinking that maybe I had misheard the doctor and I was only supposed to use it on my face. I felt really embarassed, and when the doctor came in I was blushing like mad (I'm really pale, so when I'm embarassed everyone knows it) and asked her if she had really recommended me to use the H&S "everywhere." When she said, "yes, of course," I was so relieved and I started laughing and told her how her assistant had reacted. She told me that she'd talk to her so that she knew not to freak out patients.

She assured me that the shampoo was gentle enough to use "everywhere."

I'm the same way on the make up and other things. I have tried a brand called Physician's Formula, but the Organic Wear one, not the others. The others I have to be very careful. The organic wear is really nice and I seem to wear it just fine. I use a powder foundation instead of a cream, which works for me and my sensitive skin.

I've been using Nutrogena's version of "head and shoulders," it smells nice enough and doesn't irritate my skin. I can't use it all over my body, I know better, but in specific areas like down south it is great haha.

People use Head and Shoulders all over, but I can see why someone would go "what?!" lol I found out about it from an acne website and a lot of people use that and Hibiclens (which is a medical strength anti-bacterial soap). Surgeons use Hibiclens when they wash before surgery. It is very strong, but I've used it when I had some infection things going on. So it is a good thing to have on hand, but now I tend to use tea tree oil and lighter things anyhow.

I've tried the Physician's formula (unsuccessfully), but I'm not sure if it was organic wear. May have to give it a try.

As for using the H&S, For me "down south" is even more sensitive than my face, and frustratingly more prone to itching when irritated. At least scratching your face can be done discreetly, LOL.

The organic stuff is like a branch off of the same company. For some reason I can handle that on my face, but a lot of the other stuff I cannot. I can use like the mascara and eye shadows just fine, but the powders or lip gloss is a no go for me with the regular physician's formula. I'm looking into trying RAWMinerals, perhaps that will be okay.

My reaction is usually raised red rash spots all over. I mean I was using a product to get rid of my lady mustache and I had half my face in giant red spots for over a week lol. Didn't itch, more like a burn. YAY! lol

Evil stuff out there for us sensitive girls!

I am so lost with what you ladies are talking about. Are we talking about makeup? I wanted to know about things for sweating in the down town area. So is the head and shoulders for that or not? Kaplods, help me out here. You and Jacquie668 lost me somewhere along the line.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread (change the main topic). The makeup for sensitive skin was just a sidetracked comment.

I was just saying that despite having very sensitive skin, the Head and Shoulders and similar shampoos do not seem to irritate my skin, regardless of whether it's on my face or any other sensitive skin areas. I don't know if it actually keeps me from sweating, but it sure feels like it, and it definitely does keep me fresh smelling much longer, because it kills the bacteria that make sweat smell bad.

I can get sidetracked easily on the topic though, because the shampoo and the zinc creams seems to be so good for so many different skin problems I've had. On my face it seems to prevent and clear up acne, rosacea, even heals sunburn and windburn more quickly, I think. I've not had back acne since using it as a body wash. I don't get sweaty boob rash. Although my feet don't look like I have athlete's foot, they itch and burn alot, and the shampoo and zinc cream relieves and prevents it. When I use it as shaving cream, I don't get nearly as much razor burn. I love the stuff for so many reasons, that it's hard not to get sidetracked and sing it's praises in all the ways it has helped (the makeup suggestion was completely off topic though, and I'm sorry for that).

The shampoo DEFINITELY has helped me prevent the underpant elastic burns in the creases. Changing the underwear style was important, though too. I still get an irritation at the waistband area sometimes, and that's where the zinc cream comes in handy. I think for actually preventing sweating, the zinc cream helps more than the shampoo. I use the zinc cream under the boobs, in the arm pits, in the leg creases, and if I've got a cyst or irritation of the privates, I use the cream actually on the irritation. Until I found the Johnson's three in one diaper rash lotion, I usually only used the zinc cream if an irritation had already started, because most zinc creams are so inconvenient to use.

Most zinc oxide creams are very thick and like clown makeup or what lifeguards wear on their nose. That's why I use the Johnson's instead of regular diaper rash zinc oxide creams. That zinc oxide is It's so thick and bright white that it can get on and stain clothes. The Johnson's blue tube cream is more like a regular lotion; and after you rub it in, the area seams a little paler than normal, but not like streaks of clown makeup. That's not usually that important for the leg crease and private area (well, it could be rather difficult to explain in an intimate situation, or in a swim suit, if you've got what appears to be clown makeup smeared on your thighs).

In the winter, I don't use it as often, but in the summer when I sweat more, I go through the Johnson's zinc cream like mad. After I shower (with the zinc shampoo as a shampoo, face wash, and body wash) I dry thoroughly and rub a little bit of the zinc cream into crease and irritation prone areas. I also use it on my feet as a foot lotion.

Obviously you don't have to use the Head and Shoulders or other zinc shampoos as a shampoo if you don't have dandruff, nor as a face wash if you don't have facial skin problems, so you might only want to use it as a body wash. But you certainly could if you wanted to. You may also never need to take the extra step of the zinc oxide cream (I would recommend having it on hand, though as at the first sign of a problem, it really does come in handy in healing skin irritations and rashes).

For my one soap does all, I do like to use the combination shampoo and conditioner, because the Head and Shoulders shampoos that are only shampoos can be a bit drying (this is most noticeable on my face though). The conditioner in the shampoo/conditioner combo acts a little bit like lotion or moisturizer, so it's nice to use that, because then I don't need a seperate face and/or body lotion. I mentioned that I used the conditioner (on my head hair), just as an FYI, even though it doesn't have anything to do with the nether regions (I suppose your COULD condition there if you wanted to).

So, I hope I've cleared up the confusion. I notice that even in this post, I couldn't discuss the topic without talking about all of the things I use the darned stuff for, but yes indeed it does help with the sweating and itch/burn/irritation in the privates and body creases. It especially helps in preventing the situation from reaching the itchy, painful, smelly stage.

Sorry we were talking about sensitive skin issues as I think we just got excited to share info lol. I'm like writing notes from this thread anyhow.

Yes Head and Shoulders or shampoos that are like Head and Shoulders (there are a lot of no-named brand ones, just make sure it has the Zinc) are for all over if you are not sensitive to it as Kaplods has mentioned. Like I said previously I use Netrogena's brand.

Zinc cream, which I found in a health food store, can be beige in color and annoying to put on and it will leave a white deposit on your skin. That is normal as that is what Zinc does, but it does help with skin rashes and ones that are in skin folds.

One of the most important things you can also do is give those areas air. If you have a rash that is moist then allow that part of your body to get air and you can also use a fan or something to help dry that area out. I now dry off after my showers in front of a small fan and it has helped me in so many ways lol. Haha I am laying there in my birthday suit for awhile, but I actually feel better during the day because of it. Very simple thing to do, even in awkward places lol.

You ladies are wonderful and thank you so much for clearing that up for me. When you fine something that really works and has so many uses, I can understand the eagerness to sing it's praises. You two ladies are funny, you turned into a run away freight train, LOL, but it is okay, SING THOSE PRAISES!!! Stay close because I know that we will be speaking again.

I know I'm getting some of that Johnson zinc stuff. My belly button gets rashes all the time. Poor thing. It's going south like mah "girls". I think it's race. Don't ask who's winning. So far it's a tie! hehe

Luv,
Ratkitten

WOW! I was in the bath today and was thinking i should come here and tell you all my trick! Short or tall we all Sweat and rub and chaff. What I do is use secret spray on in all my hard to reach places that sweat and get un comfy when i work out. It works like a charm. Also put it under the girls ;) Also I have got my boyfriend useing it for the same reason! He is a painter and he gets a little red from time to time in his thighs. This has stopped it all! Now he uses The secret uncented under his arms. ( followd by a man smell) He never has wet under arms!



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Originally Posted by CatWuv
Wow that is a lot of TMI;) Hope that it was of some help to you. Congrats on your weight loss.
Pennie.

You don't worry one bit about TMI! We all have issues to deal with and it is great that we are able to share like this so that we can help each other! Carrot Points to O/P for

What's so funny to me is that the shampoo thing is something I've done for years. Nice to hear a doctor thinks it's a good idea. :)

Sachiko, this sounds like a great idea and if I use this on a regular seems like it could prevent the really bad stuff I have been suffering with. Thank you so much for sharing and it was not TMI, these are the things I need to hear in order to help with the problem.

Oh yeah ladies the zinc creams are great on the bad stuff and so does the cream with the malox.

Annieoh, Have not tried the shampoo yet, but I will test it out next. If so many are doing it, it must really work as well. All of you ladies have been a great help and I thank you all. Keep all your ideas coming.

I use summers eve feminine spray and the powder

Thanks ladies:hug:, all of the sprays sound really good to me because I do not always have help (that's most of the time) and I think I could do the spray all by myself.:carrot:

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond but had an accident, broke my nose in two places, fractured wrist, and really beat up ribs, will be out of work for 8 wks. Doc says may need nose surgery, will not know until swelling goes down, 1 month. One handed typing sucks. Will post again later, pain pill time:(

Aggie

I'm not what others have said cause I haven't read all of the responses, so sorry if I'm repeating anything..

For the sweating (or smell associated with sweating), you can put deoderant in those spots where you are sweating.

For the skin rubbing together and getting sore, try using Gold Bond Medicated Ointment. If you can't handle the "tingle" or "icy hot" sensation.. or the medicated smell (haha), try A&D ointment, or even baby rash ointment. Seriously though, I think for that, Gold Bond seems to heal it the quickest and give the quickest long-lasting relief.

Hope this helps?

PS do NOT be embarassed about this! It's NORMAL and very VERY common!

Kim thank you for your response. I just tried the deordorant recently, and yes is does work. I tried the spray for it is easiest for me to reach those hard to reach places. Thank you again for the input. Hope you are doing well with your weight lost, please keep me posted. I'll be looking for you.

Aggie

I know you've got lots of advice already, but I have had some 'apron' issues too. I use gold bond powder and change my underwear 3-4 times a day to make sure it's always clean dry cotton next to my skin. Also, when the skin first started to sag, I got a skin yeast infection all over that area and was given cream after cream by the doctor, which none worked. Then a customer at work and I were talking and she mentioned that she had had the same issue and used something called BioK to clear it up, I was at the point where I'd try anything, and it worked, within a couple of weeks all was cleared up (and it helped with some digestive issues I was having from metformin as well!). I now take the pill form every other day and have not had an issue since.

Great work on the weight loss! Oh and I have one of those never home trucker hubbies too! :D

Feistycat,
Biok, alright that is on my list as well and which ever on works the best wins. Can you believe this, I am having a contest between creams and sprays and all kinds of good stuff. You ladies have really stepped up to the plate to help this sister out. Thank you.

Feistycat, tell your hubbie to be careful out there and stay safe.

Aggie

:dance::dance:Ladies,
I am so excited. Tonight at my WW weigh in, I lost 1.6 pounds for a grand total of 29.2. Just 8 more ounces and I will have finally reached 30. wooooooha:dance::dance::dance: 5 More pounds and that will be my first 10% and it will be all down hill from there. Hot diggity dog.

Hope all is well with everyone, please let me how you are doing....I want to cheer you on.

Aggie:hug:

Congrats, Aggie!!! :carrot:

good job Aggie on the weight loss so far your doing great!!!!!

I get chafing in between my thighs when I wear nylons or when I do a lot of walking .. there is nothing worse then chub rub! also the crease of my belly fat right above my private area gets really red and raw sometimes from my belly fat hanging over it.... i know this sounds weird but I always lift up my flaps and air them out after the shower! i use a fan i can aim at all the places or even a hair dryer like was mentioned before... it looks silly but it works.. then I will put on a little of the medicated gold bond powder, I have also used a&d cream but that didn't work as good as the gold bond powder... just try and let it air out as much as possible even at night while laying in bed just lay there naked for a little while and lift up all your flaps..

I do this every night....lol.. it sounds so funny.. i cant' wait for the day I won't have to do this stuff any more!

also if you plan on excerising or wearing nylons I have found that wearing tight fitting shorts like spandex type shorts and then putting the nylons over the shorts or putting my sweat pants i exercise in over the shorts my thighs dont rub together! I have chaffed my inner thighs so bad before they bled from wearing nylons..! ugh it hurts so bad!

Thank s baby doll. I will be lifting those flaps LOL and iaring it out. I have a large ceiling fan so I have been taking advantage of that.

thanks Lovely,
Aggie

Hi there!
For chafing, you HAVE to get something called BARRIER CREAM. It is a clear, non-greasy, water-proof silicone based cream that runners like my DH use to prevent thigh chafing during exercise. This can be found at any sports store, or in a drug store for diaper rash, but you HAVE to get the kind that is a SILICONE CREAM. This is because it is like putting a layer of slippery teflon on the surfaces that rub together -- the surfaces will slide over each other because of the coating used instead of chafing together. And it is sweat proof, too. Long distance runners swear by it, and I've found that it really works well for me. Lets face it, things are going to rub together, so lets make it at least tolerable...
Kira

Kira,
That sounds like a plan. Than will work great when I am at work and then when I am at home, some of the other stuff plus airing out as lots of the ladies have stated. Thanks.

Aggie