I've been trying to up my protein intake as I've just kicked off what is essentially a last-ditch effort to get my butt in shape before two weeks of fencing camp. Problem is, as far as I can tell I should be getting at least 70 grams a day based on my weight and exercise. Today I ate practically nothing but protein- fruit salad for breakfast (okay, not protein) a protein bar for lunch, a yogurt for a snack (nearly all the calories were from protein) and a hamburger and two soy patties for dinner. My calories came in at about the usual 1200. But I only managed to take in 57 grams of protein, despite my efforts.
How can I better get more protein into my diet without increasing my calories? (all the sources I've read said that increasing calories and protein was a recipe for fat gain)
Last edited by ImpalaHoarder; 07-04-2008 at 12:08 AM.
I won't comment on the idea of working out hard on 1200 calories, or taking a protein bar for lunch... but ditch the protein bar. Or at least take a really good look at the label. I suspect it's got more carbs than protein (a lot of them do). If you were taking it as a snack I'd suggest substituting a straight whey protein shake in it's place. Your soy patties are likely low cal but likely have more carbs than protein. Most hamburger patties have lots of fat for the cals (my next experiment will be to mix beef and turkey to see how it goes). You didn't mention vegetables in the diet above. Are you eating any?
And at less than 20% protein you did not eat all protein all day. I'm not good at working with 1200 calorie diets (too low for me) but if you start looking at each component I suspect you'll find the areas where you can change things around.
I used some items I personally wouldn't eat (hate spinach). It can be done, but it will likely be a truly boring existence. You won't be able to add anything other than spices to meats and you'll probably get sick of grilled meats. I suspect if you're training hard that 1200 calories isn't enough food, but I'll leave that up to you.
Oh, and I should have added - 16 weeks ago I started a strength training program. I've increased my protein, and calories, and have been losing weight more consistently than I was before.
Try to work cheese into the mix (i.e. some parmigiano or goat cheese or feta on a salad or on a tofu patty). Also pick up some raw/unsalted nuts -- almonds and the like -- and have those as a snack to up both protein and calories. I also eat a serving of peanut butter as a snack with some full-fat milk (more protein).
Yea, one of the guys on another board that I frequent did a month long experiment where he upped his protein but also his calories to about 3000 per day. He gained about 10 lbs and his fat % went up, so his conclusion was that it didn't help him gain much muscle
Sorry, I suspect he was. A lot depends on weight, overall activity levels, etc. I know some people lift so heavy that the rest of the day they do nothing. Bulking is a science (one which I know very little about). From what I understand most people will gain fat as well as muscle during a bulk, then do a cutting phase to lose the fat. I was watching one woman on another board doing probably 2700 for a while. She's now in her cutting phase and has dropped ~ 10lbs and 4% BF in the last two months - eating ~1700 cals (and we're talking about someone who is 124lbs). She's very active though (scary active).
Well, it's a bodyweight forum, so he was doing bodyweight stuff-squats, pull ups, chin ups, push ups, etc.
His overall goal is to lose weight, but have good muscle definition also, so he decided it was counter productive to his goal. He's going back to lower calories.
Wow. I'm amazed I managed to not notice all the foods I could have been eating instead. I think I have a tendency to eat a ton of processed foods because I am a horrible cook, and that's probably not helping any of this. Still, I bet I can find some sort of basically pre-cooked meat thing with less fat than the soy patties/hamburger. And protein shakes will almost certainly help.
So yeah, thanks for the help. I am, in my experience, an incredible amount of a not going to lose weight on lots of calories person. I'm short, relatively light, and blessed with a metabolism that thinks 170 is exactly the right weight for me (I've been seesawing back and forth between 165 and 170 for months). I'm maybe going to up it an extra hundred calories a day, or even more every few days, just to keep my body from getting too efficient, but I don't think I can handle much more than 1500 calories a day without my weight loss stalling, and extra weight is one of my biggest problems as far as being able to keep up with other people in physical activities, so I want to reduce that as much as I can.
Well, it's a bodyweight forum, so he was doing bodyweight stuff-squats, pull ups, chin ups, push ups, etc.
His overall goal is to lose weight, but have good muscle definition also, so he decided it was counter productive to his goal. He's going back to lower calories.
Okay, well, part of the difference is that I'm talking about a combination of bodyweight and bar-loaded lifts. Having said all that the concept of bulking (increasing muscle) is something you do when you're at lower bodyfat levels. Depending on what fat levels you're at you will likely only maintain muscle or minimize muscle loss when eating at a deficit. Although I've seen studies where it's possible to build muscle on a deficit I think it's the exception, not the rule. Right now I'm more interested in weight loss, lurking around learning about bulking and cutting, which I'll worry about more when I'm close to goal.
Wow. I'm amazed I managed to not notice all the foods I could have been eating instead. I think I have a tendency to eat a ton of processed foods because I am a horrible cook, and that's probably not helping any of this. Still, I bet I can find some sort of basically pre-cooked meat thing with less fat than the soy patties/hamburger. And protein shakes will almost certainly help.
The best advice I can give you is learn to cook.
Processed foods will be tougher to deal with. A lot are higher in sodium as well. Lean meats and a grill aren't that tough to deal with. I cook a little fancier than that but I know people use something like a George Foreman grill to cook simple items without a lot of fuss.
I'm truly amazed how much better I feel having dumped most of the processed foods out of my diet. You get more bulk for your calories, which helps with hunger (always a problem in the past for me). Somewhere along the way I've lost interest in a lot of the stuff I used to eat with abandon. Of course, if I do say so myself, I'm a good cook, so for me it wasn't as hard a jump.
And my body has also decided that a certain weight is my *ideal* -- around 186lbs. *I* don';t think it's ideal, but my body LOVES that weight lol and thus I hit a plateau. Blagh.
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Originally Posted by ImpalaHoarder
Wow. I'm amazed I managed to not notice all the foods I could have been eating instead. I think I have a tendency to eat a ton of processed foods because I am a horrible cook, and that's probably not helping any of this. Still, I bet I can find some sort of basically pre-cooked meat thing with less fat than the soy patties/hamburger. And protein shakes will almost certainly help.
So yeah, thanks for the help. I am, in my experience, an incredible amount of a not going to lose weight on lots of calories person. I'm short, relatively light, and blessed with a metabolism that thinks 170 is exactly the right weight for me (I've been seesawing back and forth between 165 and 170 for months). I'm maybe going to up it an extra hundred calories a day, or even more every few days, just to keep my body from getting too efficient, but I don't think I can handle much more than 1500 calories a day without my weight loss stalling, and extra weight is one of my biggest problems as far as being able to keep up with other people in physical activities, so I want to reduce that as much as I can.
I eat between 1200-1500 calories a day and exercise hard most days- heavy lifting lifting and cardio. I usually get between 120-150 grams of protein from FOOD, not bars or powders. Here is a typical menu:
Meal 1: A giant mug of coffee with 1 tbs of evaporated milk. organic chicken sausage, 2 egg whites, big pile of spinach, onions and mushrooms omelet. 1/2 c. gluten free rice chex or 1/3 c. oatmeal.
Meal 2: 1/2 c. lowfat cottage cheese mixed with 1/2 c. danon lite yogurt (ok, that's pretty processed and I count the yogurt as a carb, NOT protein.
Meal 3: a HUGE pile of mixed salad greens, a few baby carrots, peppers, mushrooms, 1/3 c. chick peas or black beans, 1 tablespoon Newmans Own Lighten Up Balsamic dressing and 4 oz. cooked chicken breast cubed.
Meal 4: a medium apple and 2 pollyo cheese sticks.
Meal 5: some sort of lean protein meat or fish, a big pile of broccoli and a giant salad
snack: a very little bit of yogurt and strawberries.
I'm 5'2 and maintain on this. About once a week I have an apple and way too much peanut butter attack.
Look at lowfat cottage cheese, egg whites, chicken breast, turkey breast, fish, fish, fish, shrimp, pork tenderloin etc for sources of lean protein.
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