A bunch of us were all part of different challenges together, and when the challenges ended, we decided not to! So we all came together and decided to start a long term challenge group, and we called them the Hot & Healthy Challenge Chicks!
-Anyone can join the group no matter what your goals are or where you are in your weight loss journey.
-We are here to support each other, encourage each other, laugh together, and cry together.
-Our unified goal is to exercise, eat right (whatever diet plan we may each separately be following), and have fun!
-We encourage new members, as the more that join, the more friends we have to support us along the way!
-We only ask that you follow one teensy, tiny rule. At the beginning of each month we state what our goals are, and they can be WHATEVER YOU WANT!
Then at the end of the month we can share how well we did with our goals, etc. However, sharing at the end of the month is completely optional.
Dear JasonsLea, thank you SO much for the link to this thread!
My goal is to pay real attention to my body telling me it's not hungry anymore, I can stop eating now.
In the 5 1/2 weeks since I joined on 3-22-07, I have lost 10 pounds! It's thanks to this site and FitDay (which makes me pay attention to what I'm eating & doing, activity-wise) that this was possible. Thank you, all!!
Now--my other questions are: What is that yogurt you were discussing in the last thread. (Since we've moved on, I can't just 'roll back' & find the name.) Is that a brand name, or some special kind of yogurt (like 'acidophilus'((sp)) is a kind of milk)? And someone else mentioned a different website like "FitDay--but better". What is the name of that site, please? Your help with these will be much appreciated! Thank you,
--Virgo
I like your idea. Some day I may figure out how to put all that fancy stuff at the end of my post....for today I'll put a little bit in by hand: 235/195/155
FatToFitVirgo...your wt loss is impressive.
My goals for May:
Lose at least 5 pounds....exercise at least 5 hours a week...Take the time to pre-plan my menus so that I know at the beginning of each day what I am eating all day long.
moxiesd
Virgo ~ No prob! Congrats on those 10 lbs! The yogurt they were talking about if called Fage. Don't know much about it so I don't know if it's special or anything, just that it's supposed to be really good. I'm not even sure they sell it down here in Bama. I don't use Fitday, I use Spark People but I don't know if that's the site they were talking about.
Virgo - The Fage brand of yogurt is called Total, and it comes in different fat levels. I use the 0%. It has a thick, creamy texture and is very filling for an 80 calorie serving (5.3oz). In addition to eating it with cereal, I use it alot as a side at lunch/dinner in order to get my calcium in (I have osteopenia).
The other weight tracking site I use is called "the daily plate." If I were more computer savvy I would be glad to put a link here, but unfortunately I can only do the bare minimum, like post!
My goals for this week are: Exercise at least 5 days
Eat healthy
Stop obsessing about the scale
Along the lines of my third goal, I wanted to know what you all think about how often to weigh? Sometimes I think its better to do it daily, to catch the "creeping up" phenomenon, but other times, I think its better to do it once a week, so I don't fluctuate in emotion with the fluctuations on the scale
Here's to a good day...go us
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Jasmine I am up for your challenge, my knee is going out on me a lot, but I still want to try for it, when do you want to start? And is that divided by seven days? I really need to lose the weight before this wedding of my daughter's ( which the date, or something might be changing, she said something is up, but she is not ready to talk about it yet! YUM!!!!) anyhow, I definately want to get lower before the summer and continue to lose during the summer. I did not join a gym, I just got my brace off my arm and the pins out, a week ago Thurs. I started physio, and they are very gentle movements 3 times a day, repeats of 10.
Lets start today!! That is exciting about the wedding. I hope your knee holds out!
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I have not done bad today, water is more than half gone, I have been busy cleaning and plan on doing 10 min. intervals of walking while watching tv tonight. My eating is pretty good as well, just getting ready to have a nice chicken salad for supper.
I need to just go and stock up on ch. breast again!
VeggieGirl1:
Your welcome.
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Hint water?
Never heard of "hint" water. That is nice you have a gym there!
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Does anyone else use tools like this?
What is the link?
FatToFitVirgo:
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In the 5 1/2 weeks since I joined on 3-22-07, I have lost 10 pounds! It's thanks to this site and FitDay (which makes me pay attention to what I'm eating & doing, activity-wise) that this was possible. Thank you, all!!
That is great!! Whooohoooo!!
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Now--my other questions are: What is that yogurt you were discussing in the last thread. (Since we've moved on, I can't just 'roll back' & find the name.) Is that a brand name, or some special kind of yogurt (like 'acidophilus'((sp)) is a kind of milk)?
One of the ladies was talking about fage and I was talking about brown cow, not sure about fage but brown cow is not homogenized and has a cream top so(I have read alot about homogenization *MAY* lead to heart disease)
moxiesd:
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y goals for May:
Lose at least 5 pounds....exercise at least 5 hours a week...Take the time to pre-plan my menus so that I know at the beginning of each day what I am eating all day long.
moxiesd
Sounds good!
Veggie:
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Along the lines of my third goal, I wanted to know what you all think about how often to weigh? Sometimes I think its better to do it daily, to catch the "creeping up" phenomenon, but other times, I think its better to do it once a week, so I don't fluctuate in emotion with the fluctuations on the scale
Our weight can fluctuate so much day to day I find it best for me to do it once a week!
Jasonslea:
Hope you are having a great food and exercise day!!
Okay ladies so yesterday we had a church potluck and the day before pizza. But I am picking myself up right now and am gearing up for 10 lbs this month! Today I AM walking for 60 minutes! I also slowly slipped in to the tuna waters. I really want to be having fish a few times a week but am always scared cat of the mercury! (I know ultimately all we can do is our best and God is in charge of our health) Anyhow my can says wild caught in Thailand and I was reading up online today it was saying stay away from latin america for tuna and that dolphin safe is usually smaller so thus less time to grow and get more mercury in the tuna. It specifically mentioned Thailand and U.S. as having lowest rates of mercury and the can I have also says dolphin safe.
Anyways, I had .50 cup kefir with 1 cup of berries and 1 banana and 1 apple for breakfast, I just had lunch with .50 can of tuna with 2 slices org. sproted wheat bread and a bit of mustard with it. I will think of a snack later and not sur eabout dinner yet. Sat. is grocery day so I will need to start meal planning soon and stick to it!
I am feeling pumped about this and I KNOW I can do it!
Hi all, some great goals for this week girls, way to go! Welcome Moxie, glad to have you here. Virgo, congrats on the great loss. Way to go girl!
Jasmine, you didn't really answer my question about the 300 minutes, is that divided by seven days or as long as we get the 300 minutes in per week? Does not take much to confuse me.
Well I was really busy today and did not even get breakfast in, which I know is a big NO NO. But when I finally did eat, had salad with lots of veggies, was going to have tuna, unfortunately had none, which was a shock. Got my fruit in, as well as all my water. Had some cheese and crackers too. Got to do better food wise tomorrow, beginning with breakfast (can't remember the last time I missed it). Walked for 45 mins.
My goals for May are:
Get all my meals in.
Exercise a min. of 300 mins.
Lose 5 lbs.
Well that is it for the wee hours of this morning, talk to you later.
Have a good healthy day all. Miss you SD Gal!!!
Sharon S.
Yes you can split that up however you like. You can even split the minutes up in the day if need be, like in 15 minute increments, or 30, etc. I am just going to try for 60 straight 5 days a week myself. Good job on eating! You're not scared of the tuna?
Jasonslea:
WOW! That is great! Please tell me what ya did! I need all the motivation and tips I can get. I braved the scale this a.m. and it said 220!!! I was 210 around x~mas and got down to 203 by end of january but feb was when we started having all the trouble with the ex and now I am sitting here at 220!!! (Now I am hoping a few lbs are water weight but, not sure) I really didn't want to get on the scale but when I weigh myself in one month how will I know how much I lost if I have nothing to compare it to?
I am going to do this!
Okay so yesterday I did walk for 60 minutes and I wanted to be at about 1700 or so cals but I goofed. I was pretty good with the food but then couldnt resist microwave popcorn last nite! I wound up at 2063 but alot of the cals were from vegis and fruit and protein. I will post it maybe later. But still if my "maintenance is 2200 cals and with walking 60 minutes I think maintenance is about 2800" I still burned 734 cals!
I can get Total Cow (brand) yogurt here in Chicago; it's quite good. My favorite flavor is the maple (I'm a fool for maple!), but I let my lean husband eat the cream at the top. Since he's an old dairy man (industrial mechanic who worked on the equipment), he knows all about dairy products. I don't know what your source is on homogenization leading to heart disease. All homogenization does is to evenly distribute the butterfat throughout the milk. If you only eat nonfat or lowfat products, there's nothing to worry about. If you eat the entire container of Total Cow, complete with the fat at the top, that fat is going into your bloodstream (and possibly onto your blood vessel walls) whether or not it was evenly mixed into the rest of the yogurt. That's why I wanted to know about Fage. So that is a brand name, not a "style" of yogurt? Where is it made? I'll have to look at Whole Foods next time I'm there. (Or "Whole Paycheck" as some of my friends refer to it!)
Each of us has to do what works for her. I personally weigh myself every morning. I wake up, go to the john, strip & hop onto the scale. If it's stable or down (yay!), I'm encouraged to "keep on keeping on!" If it's up (boo!), that's my wake-up call to do better that day.
(I was going to make personal entries to respond to your individual messages, but this site is beginning to jam up.) Thank you for your encouragement--and everybody--keep on keeping on!!
Thanks Jasmine! Well, I started counting pts again and I actually paid attention to what I put in my mouth.....I even counted little things like peppermints. I've been on a mission to limit my soda intake (I only drink diet anyway) to 1-2 days a week. Don't know if that's having any effect, will probably see by the end of this month. I eat breakfast every morning, something with fiber and protein and try to eat every three hours. Since I've restarted WW, I've added more dairy and two teaspoons of olive oil every day. Let's see....I worked out about four times last week. Used to only get to the gym once a week or less but have made a commitment to go at least three times a week from now on. Ummmm, I think that all I have right now. Just basically what everyone does.
I do understand what you are saying. I also think that the public has been misinformed for years. Like for instance, first eggs are SO bad for us, now they aren't. Heck they even peddled cigs back in the day!! Beef wouldn't be "bad" for us if they fed the cows green grass and not a bunch of stuff their bodys aren't meant to eat including other animals, pumped with hormones and antibiotics, etc. Pretty much anything made from a bunch of chemicals in a laboratory is not going to be what was designed for our bodies. You take whole wheat which is natural and then they strip all the nutrients out, add a few back in, bleach it etc, voila! You have white flour. It is well known now that white flour = bad, whole wheat = good. I even seen a tuna website the other day that listed transfat (in their crackers) as a good fat! I guess no one gave them the memo that New York city has even outlawed this in all their restauraunts. Everyone should know by now that Trans fats are bad for us.
I could go on and on about what the so called "experts" know. I do understand what you mean about the fat in your blood stream and all that. It just seems the more I read, the more I am finding out that the way people ate 100 years ago is the way we should still be eating. And these people drank REAL milk and ate REAL butter and had beef from cows that weren't contaminated, and so on and so forth. Kind of like when I was reading yesterday about the fish, it(among other things) is supposed to help prevent heart attacks and be part of a healthy diet, but the mercury can cause liver and kidney trouble and heart attacks! "Fish" isn't bad for us it is what the society has done to contaminate it. Here are some links that scratch the tip of the ice berg:
Homogenization: This is the process whereby the fat particles of cream are strained through tiny pores under great pressure. The resulting fat particles are so small that they stay in suspension rather than rise to the top of the milk. This makes the fat and cholesterol more susceptible to rancidity and oxidation, and some research indicates that homogenized fats may contribute to heart disease.58
The media's constant attack on saturated fats is extremely suspect. Claims that butter causes chronic high cholesterol values have not been substantiated by research—although some studies show that butter consumption causes a small, temporary rise—while other studies have shown that stearic acid, the main component of beef fat, actually lowers cholesterol.59 Margarine, on the other hand, provokes chronic high levels of cholesterol and has been linked to both heart disease and cancer.60 The new soft margarines or tub spreads, while lower in hydrogenated fats, are still produced from rancid vegetable oils and contain many additives.
Nutrients in Butter
The Diet Dictocrats have succeeded in convincing Americans that butter is dangerous, when in fact it is a valued component of many traditional diets and a source of the following nutrients:
Fat-Soluble Vitamins: These include true vitamin A or retinol, vitamin D, vitamin K and vitamin E as well as all their naturally occurring cofactors needed to obtain maximum effect. Butter is America's best source of these important nutrients. In fact, vitamin A is more easily absorbed and utilized from butter than from other sources.61 Fortunately, these fat-soluble vitamins are relatively stable and survive the pasteurization process.
When Dr. Weston Price studied isolated traditional peoples around the world, he found that butter was a staple in many native diets. (He did not find any isolated peoples who consumed polyunsaturated oils.) The groups he studied particularly valued the deep yellow butter produced by cows feeding on rapidly growing green grass. Their natural intuition told them that its life-giving qualities were especially beneficial for children and expectant mothers. When Dr. Price analyzed this deep yellow butter he found that it was exceptionally high in all fat-soluble vitamins, particularly vitamin A. He called these vitamins "catalysts" or "activators." Without them, according to Dr. Price, we are not able to utilize the minerals we ingest, no matter how abundant they may be in our diets. He also believed the fat-soluble vitamins to be necessary for absorption of the water-soluble vitamins. Vitamins A and D are essential for growth, for healthy bones, for proper development of the brain and nervous systems and for normal sexual development. Many studies have shown the importance of butterfat for reproduction; its absence results in "nutritional castration," the failure to bring out male and female sexual characteristics. As butter consumption in America has declined, sterility rates and problems with sexual development have increased. In calves, butter substitutes are unable to promote growth or sustain reproduction.62
Not all the societies Dr. Price studied ate butter; but all the groups he observed went to great lengths to obtain foods high in fat-soluble vitamins—fish, shellfish, fish eggs, organ meats, blubber of sea animals and insects. Without knowing the names of the vitamins contained in these foods, isolated traditional societies recognized their importance in the diet and liberally ate the animal products containing them. They rightly believed such foods to be necessary for fertility and the optimum development of children. Dr. Price analyzed the nutrient content of native diets and found that they consistently provided about ten times more fat soluble vitamins than the American diet of the 1930's. This ratio is probably more extreme today as Americans have deliberately reduced animal fat consumption. Dr. Price realized that these fat-soluble vitamins promoted the beautiful bone structure, wide palate, flawless uncrowded teeth and handsome, well-proportioned faces that characterized members of isolated traditional groups. American children in general do not eat fish or organ meats, at least not to any great extent, and blubber and insects are not a part of the western diet; many will not eat eggs. The only good source of fat-soluble vitamins in the American diet, one sure to be eaten, is butterfat. Butter added to vegetables and spread on bread, and cream added to soups and sauces, ensure proper assimilation of the minerals and water-soluble vitamins in vegetables, grains and meat.
The Wulzen Factor: Called the "antistiffness" factor, this compound is present in raw animal fat. Researcher Rosalind Wulzen discovered that this substance protects humans and animals from calcification of the joints—degenerative arthritis. It also protects against hardening of the arteries, cataracts and calcification of the pineal gland.63 Calves fed pasteurized milk or skim milk develop joint stiffness and do not thrive. Their symptoms are reversed when raw butterfat is added to the diet. Pasteurization destroys the Wulzen factor—it is present only in raw butter, cream and whole milk.
Summary
In summary, our choice of fats and oils is one of extreme importance. Most people, especially infants and growing children, benefit from more fat in the diet rather than less. But the fats we eat must be chosen with care. Avoid all processed foods containing newfangled hydrogenated fats and polyunsaturated oils. Instead, use traditional vegetable oils like extra virgin olive oil and small amounts of unrefined flax seed oil. Acquaint yourself with the merits of coconut oil for baking and with animal fats for occasional frying. Eat egg yolks and other animal fats with the proteins to which they are attached. And, finally, use as much good quality butter as you like, with the happy assurance that it is a wholesome—indeed, an essential—food for you and your whole family.
Organic butter, extra virgin olive oil, and expeller-expressed flax oil in opaque containers are available in health food stores and gourmet markets. Edible coconut oil can be found in Indian or Caribbean markets.
There are many more links on that site if you are interested in checking them out.
Milk straight from the cow contains cream, which rises to the top. Homogenization is a process that breaks up the fat globules and evenly distributes them throughout the milk so that they do not rise. This process unnaturally increases the surface area of fat exposing it to air, in which oxidation occurs and increases the susceptibility to spoilage. Homogenization has been linked to heart disease and atherosclerosis.
A note on the production of skim milk powder: liquid milk is forced through a tiny hole at high pressure, and then blown out into the air. This causes a lot of nitrates to form and the cholesterol in the milk is oxidized. Those of you who are familiar with my work know that cholesterol is your best friend; you don't have to worry about natural cholesterol in your food; however, you do not want to eat oxidized cholesterol.Oxidized cholesterol contributes to the buildup of plaque in the arteries, to atherosclerosis. So when you drink reduced-fat milk thinking that it will help you avoid heart disease, you are actually consuming oxidized cholesterol, which initiates the process of heart disease.
I know there is more info and on other sites but just grabbed this real quick. I know each one of us has to make this our own though. We do eat raw cheese from a local health store. The raw milk is down the hill though and like 10.00 a gallon! That is why I try to get the non homogenized yogurt at least.
Heart disease was rare in America at the turn of the century. Between 1920 and 1960, the incidence of heart disease rose precipitously to become America's number one killer. During the same period butter consumption plummeted from eighteen pounds per person per year to four. It doesn't take a Ph.D. in statistics to conclude that butter is not a cause. Actually butter contains many nutrients that protect us from heart disease. First among these is vitamin A which is needed for the health of the thyroid and adrenal glands, both of which play a role in maintaining the proper functioning of the heart and cardiovascular system. Abnormalities of the heart and larger blood vessels occur in babies born to vitamin A deficient mothers. Butter is America's best and most easily absorbed source of vitamin A.
(And just to remind everyone that the vitamin a we get from carrots etc is different. I believe that is the preformed one that our bodys need to change INTO vitamin a. It seems the cows have already done this for us in the butter. ~ Jasmine)
Butter contains lecithin, a substance that assists in the proper assimilation and metabolism of cholesterol and other fat constituents.
Butter also contains a number of anti-oxidants that protect against the kind of free radical damage that weakens the arteries. Vitamin A and vitamin E found in butter both play a strong anti-oxidant role. Butter is a very rich source of selenium, a vital anti-oxidant--containing more per gram than herring or wheat germ.
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Butter is also a good dietary source cholesterol. What?? Cholesterol an anti-oxidant?? Yes indeed, cholesterol is a potent anti-oxidant that is flooded into the blood when we take in too many harmful free-radicals--usually from damaged and rancid fats in margarine and highly processed vegetable oils.3 A Medical Research Council survey showed that men eating butter ran half the risk of developing heart disease as those using margarine.4
Butter for Growth & Development
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Many factors in butter ensure optimal growth of children. Chief among them is vitamin A. Individuals who have been deprived of sufficient vitamin A during gestation tend to have narrow faces and skeletal structure, small palates and crowded teeth.16 Extreme vitamin A deprivation results in blindness, skeletal problems and other birth defects.17 Individuals receiving optimal vitamin A from the time of conception have broad handsome faces, strong straight teeth, and excellent bone structure. Vitamin A also plays an important role in the development of the sex characteristics. Calves fed butter substitutes sicken and die before reaching maturity.18
The X factor, discovered by Dr. Weston Price, is also essential for optimum growth. It is only present in butterfat from cows on green pasture.19 Cholesterol found in butterfat plays an important role in the development of the brain and nervous system.20 Mother's milk is high in cholesterol and contains over 50 percent of its calories as butterfat. Low fat diets have been linked to failure to thrive in children21--yet low-fat diets are often recommended for youngsters! Children need the many factors in butter and other animal fats for optimal development.
Margarine
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Manufacturers cannot use liquid oils in baked goods or frying, and they are not spreadable. So to harden the liquid vegetable oils to make margarine and shortening, they put the oils through a process called partial hydrogenation. To make margarine or shortening, first the oil is extracted under high temperature and pressure, and the remaining fraction of oil is removed with hexane solvents. Then the oils are steam cleaned, a process that removes all the vitamins and anti-oxidants, but of course, the solvents and the pesticides remain. These oils are then mixed with a nickel catalyst and put into a huge high-pressure, high-temperature reactor. What goes into the reactor is a liquid, but what comes out of that reactor is a semi-solid that looks like grey cottage cheese and smells terrible. Emulsifiers are mixed in to smooth out the lumps. The product is then steam cleaned a second time to get rid of the horrible smell. Then it is bleached to get rid of the grey color. At this point, the product can be used as vegetable shortening.
To make margarine, they add artificial flavors and synthetic vitamins. You may be comforted to know that manufacturers are not allowed to add a synthetic color to margarine. So they add annatto or some other natural coloring. It is then packaged in blocks and tubs. Advertising promotes this garbage as a health food.
Problems with Hydrogenated Oils
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Many, many diseases have been associated with the consumption of trans fatty acids, such as heart disease, cancer, digestive disorders and degeneration of joints and tendons (which is why we have so many hip replacements today). Trans fats are associated with auto-immune disease, skin problems, growth problems in children and learning disabilities. The only reason that we are eating this stuff is because we have been told that the competing fats and oils--butter, lard, tallow and suet, coconut oil and palm oil--are bad for us and cause heart disease. This message is nothing but industry propaganda to get us to buy substitutes.
Keep scrolling down and that gives the best over view. In particular...
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What's Wrong With "Politically Correct" Nutrition?
"Avoid saturated fats" Saturated fats play many important roles in the body. They provide integrity to the cell membrane, enhance the body's use of essential fatty acids, enhance the immune system, protect the liver and contribute to strong bones. Saturated fats do not cause heart disease. In fact, saturated fats are the preferred food for the heart. Your body makes saturated fats out of carbohydrates.
"Limit cholesterol" Dietary cholesterol contributes to the strength of the intestinal wall and helps babies and children develop a healthy brain and nervous system. Foods that contain cholesterol also provide many other important nutrients. Only oxidized cholesterol, found in powdered milk and eggs, contributes to heart disease. Powdered milk is added to 1% and 2% milk.
"Use more polyunsaturated oils"
Polyunsaturates in more than small amounts contribute to cancer, heart disease, autoimmune diseases, learning disabilities, intestinal problems and premature aging. Large amounts of polyunsaturated fats are new to the human diet, due to the modern use of commercial liquid vegetable oils.
"Avoid red meat" Red meat is a rich source of nutrients that protect the heart and nervous system including vitamins B12 and B6, zinc, phosphorus, carnitine and Coenzyme Q10.
"Cut back on eggs" Eggs are nature's perfect food, providing excellent protein, the gamut of nutrients and important fatty acids that contribute to the health of the brain and nervous system. Americans had less heart disease when they ate more eggs. Egg substitutes cause rapid death in test animals.
"Eat lean meat and drink lowfat milk" Lean meat and lowfat milk lack fat soluble vitamins needed to assimilate protein and minerals in meat and milk. Consumption of low-fat foods can lead to depletion of vitamin A and D reserves.
"Limit fat consumption to 30% of calories"
30% calories as fat is too low for most people, leading to low blood sugar and fatigue. Traditional diets contained 40% to 80% of calories as healthy fats, mostly of animal origin.(I myslef am still able to lose on 30% fat cals. That is when I am not overetaing or eating junk food. As far as 40-80 I belive it is true but we also need to take into consideration the people from 100 years ago were also doing alot more physical work. ~ Jasmine)
"Eat 6-11 servings of grains per day"
Most grain products are made from white flour, which is devoid of nutrients. Additives in white flour can cause vitamin deficiencies. Whole grain products can cause mineral deficiencies and intestinal problems unless properly prepared.
"Restrict salt"
Salt is crucial to digestion and assimilation. Salt is also necessary for the development and functioning of the nervous system.
"At least 5 servings of fruits and vegetables per day"
Fruits and vegetables receive an average of 10 applications of pesticides, from seed to storage. Consumers should seek out organic produce. Quality counts!
"Eat more soy foods"
Modern soy foods block mineral absorption, inhibit protein digestion, depress thyroid function and contain potent carcinogens.
Anyhow lots of good info on that site. Basically what I am trying to do is get back to food the way it was originally and trying to avoid as much processing and additves as possible.
Goodday ladies, lots of info there Jasmine. Thanks for answering me the question in regards to the walking, for me it will depend on the day and how good the knee is holding out.
Well I remembered my breakfast this morning, had eggbeaters on a whole wheat english muffin, with a banana to follow. Drinking my water too.
As far as the tuna goes, I don't like the fact there is mercury in the fish, but have read myself. that there is so little it will not hurt us. I am much older than a lot of you girls and have been eating it for a much longer time as I don't like any other fish. My father is 95 and has ate it his whole life, he is on less meds than myself, so can it really be that bad for us? Now this is just what I choose to do, with the knowledge I have read and seen.
Must go do some looking for a last minute deal for my daughter. BBL
Sharon S.
Hot & Healthy Challenge Chicks 4/30/07 ~ 5/06/07
Does anyone eat wild caught salmon? All I see at the store is farmed salmon and it is expensive online!
