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02-16-2007, 04:03 PM
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Just Yr Everyday Chick
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I think what that definition is saying is that a dietitian can be a nutritionist, but a nutritionist might not be a dietitian (i.e. registered, certified, etc.). Just like a doctor is a health practitioner, but not all health practitioners are doctors.
Jay
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02-16-2007, 04:33 PM
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3 + years maintaining
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I think they aim to provide mostly the same functions. The difference I believe is their degrees and the amount of education they had to recieve in order to become registered.
There are good dieticians and bad dieticians. There are bad nutritionists and good nutritionists. Just like doctors and plumbers.
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02-16-2007, 05:46 PM
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Blonde Bimbo
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A nutritionist is to a dietician like a chiropractor is to a medical doctor. A dietician IS a nutrition expert...ie: nutritionist. However, some people can study nutrition and CALL themselves a nutritionist, but they canNOT call themselves a dietician unless they get the license to do so. A chiropractor will call themself a doctor of chiropractic medicine, which doesn't require medical school like regular medical doctors have to go to. It's also part of all the controversy against chiropractic care. I've had good and bad chiros. They're not as regulated as an M.D. would be. And nutritionists would be in the same category. You can get good and bad ones. Some may be just as good as a licensed dietician, but they just never bothered with getting that license. Others though could give you really bad advice and get by with it because they're not as regulated.
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02-16-2007, 07:40 PM
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Just Yr Everyday Chick
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I think doctors of chiropractic do go through a rather extensive schooling, although, as you say, not the same as medical school.
By the way, licensed practitioners in any field can be good or bad. It really is "buyer beware" for everything, regardless of what letters are after the name...
Jay
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02-16-2007, 10:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lovinlifex2
but I am starving most of the time even though I feel like I am eating wholesome healthy foods.
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You can find online calculators that determine your daily energy expenditures and then how much calories you burn from exercise, and based on your current weight and your goal weight, how much of a calorie deficit you need to lose weight.
I usually eat around 1200 calories a day and I don't feel "starving" except right before I eat. What I'm trying to suggest is that, I think it's not necessarily a good thing to always feel "full" throughout the day and that the starving feeling means you're eating when you're hungry. I usually space out the calories and eat about 6x a day at around 200 calories.
Another example, a lot of people skip breakfast because they still feel full from the night before. When I wake up in the morning, after sleeping nearly 7 to 8 hours, I feel "starving" or hungry for food. Doesn't it seem more normal that after nearly 8 hours you would feel hungry for breakfast instead of still full from whatever was consumed the previous night?
Last edited by MicheleKC; 02-16-2007 at 10:54 PM.
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02-17-2007, 12:36 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MicheleKC
I usually eat around 1200 calories a day and I don't feel "starving"
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Don't forget, the original poster weighs a lot more than you do, and people who weigh more burn more calories for everything they do.
I'm not trying to say that she should eat more or not, but you have to be careful when comparing what you do to what other people do. Someone who weighs 120 pounds will, in general, be satisfied on fewer calories than someone who weighs 220, all other factors being equal (which they may not be... I know... )Also, those online calculators are estimates, at best. They provide guidelines but are not accurate for all people.
Finally, back to the concepts of nutritionists vs dieticians -- you do need licensing to call yourself a dietician, but not a nutritionist. That's not to say nutritionists are bad and dieticians good, but there are greater levels of certification to be a dietician.
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02-17-2007, 10:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wyllenn
Someone who weighs 120 pounds will, in general, be satisfied on fewer calories than someone who weighs 220, all other factors being equal (which they may not be... I know...
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That may be true. My point was, I don't feel "full" and satisfied throughout the entire day. I'm used to feeling very hungry right before I eat. (That's why I had a problem with drive-thru and had to curb it.) The saying "my eyes are bigger than my stomach" applies to me. I think that I am much hungrier than I actually am once I start eating.
If the OP isn't used to knowing when and what and how much to eat, maybe the "hunger" sensation is new to her and she feels like she's starving. Some people eat for emotional reasons instead of when they're hungry. Maybe it takes some getting used to when your body is telling you that you are full or hungry, or just knowing that the food is there and you won't actually starve.
The other point is calories burned from exercise. She may not be burning as many calories from the additional exercise as she thinks. A lot of people eat more when they start exercising because they think they're burning a lot more calories.
If she starts consuming 100, 200, 300+ more calories than what the nutrionist recommended, which some people here suggested, those calories should still be nutritious. It just sounds like she might blow her weight loss progress if she starts eating more without giving this current program a chance. She did indicate that she's losing weight.
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02-17-2007, 11:48 AM
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Senior Member
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I think its a horrible feeling to be hungry. Sometimes I try to overcome the feeling late at night when its time for bed, but otherwise I just feel I must eat when hunger calls (otherwise I get cranky and a bit loony). I have a large appetite so to lose I do need to eat little enough for me (about 1700 calories) to lose steadily and I am definitely hungry at that number. However, I would question my goal weight if it entailed me living the rest of my life in hunger just to get and stay that low.
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02-17-2007, 12:21 PM
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ONEderland, I 0wn you!
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I think in this case, take the good and ignore the bad. Hopefully, she gave you a list of "healthier" food, base your diet or eating habits off of those. I find that veggies are the base of my way of eating, the rawer the better. I build off of a plate of raw veggies, then add in the extras, be it grains, meat or a combo of both. I tried sticking to 1200 calories, my family begged me to eat more, the mood swings and forays into the kitchen to stare at what I "can't eat" became overwhelming. I upped it to 1400 for 2 weeks, and while the feelings of hunger were still there, the craving for the crap food lessened. I've upped it for this week to the 1600 range and so far that is working MUCH better for me. I've stalled in wieght loss for the last 6 weeks, so tweaking a "standard plan" is what's working for me. According to the scale, I lost 3 pounds this week, official weigh in day isn't until Monday though. I personally, don't think that starting at 1200 and working your way up from there is bad. Person A, who weighs in at 150 lbs, and lifts weights 5 times a week needs way more calories than I do. Person B who weighs in at 350 pounds, but has NO activity other than the ones in which to live, needs more calories than I do, simply because their body needs more to live and function. I say play with it and find what works for you, and remember, just because you start at 1200 doesn't mean you're stuck there forever. It's just a starting place, try it for a week, then adjust it, 100-200 calories at a time, until you find the spot in which you feel satisfied, notice not full, but satisfied with your meal and where you can go 3-4 hours before needing fuel again. I do 3 meals of 400-500 calories a meal with 2 snacks in the 100-200 calories range, which doesn't seem like much, but again, my meals are veggie based, so thats a whole bunch of broccoli, squash, carrots etc, drizzled very lightly with a teaspoon of olive oil and stir-fried or steamed quickly. Good luck!
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02-17-2007, 06:01 PM
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Wastin' Away Again!
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Ok - for the record...
"Diet Doctor" - An MD who is certified by the American Board of Bariatric Medicine & trained to spot medical causes of weight gain. Try a diet doctor if you're overweight enough that your waist size is bigger than your bra size.
"Registered Dietitian" - an "RD" who has a bachelor's degree in nutrition or science who's passed a national certifying exam. Try an RD if you are confused about what kind of eating plan to follow.
"Weight-Loss Psychologist" - Someone with a PhD in clincial psychology who specializes in eating disorders & weight control. Try one if you know what you're supposed to do to lose weight but just can't seem to make yourself do it. A WLP will help you get to the root of your food issues & figure out if you're eating because you're bored, depressed, angry, stressed, etc.
"Weight Loss Coach" - Anyone one calls themselves a weight loss coach. But the best are certified by the International Coaching Federation, which requires at least 125 hours of training and a final exam. See a WLC if you need a kick in the pants to put down the Fritos & Diet Pepsi and get your butt off the sofa.
"Nutritionist" - Requires a bachelor’s degree with a major in dietetics, food and nutrition, food service systems management, or a related subject is the basic requirement of this profession. Courses in the sciences, such as biology,microbiology, mathematics, statistics, psychology, and sociology are core course requirements.
Dietitians manage food service systems for institutions such as hospitals and schools, promote sound eating habits through education, and conduct research. Major areas of practice include clinical, community, management, and consultant dietetics.
Clinical dietitians provide nutritional services for patients in institutions such as hospitals and nursing care facilities. They assess patients’ nutritional needs, develop and implement nutrition programs, and evaluate and report the results. They also confer with doctors and other health care professionals to coordinate medical and nutritional needs. Some clinical dietitians specialize in the management of overweight patients or in the care of critically ill or renal (kidney) and diabetic patients. In addition, clinical dietitians in nursing care facilities, small hospitals, or correctional facilities may manage the food service department.
Community dietitians counsel individuals and groups on nutritional practices designed to prevent disease and promote health. Working in places such as public health clinics, home health agencies, and health maintenance organizations, community dietitians evaluate individual needs, develop nutritional care plans, and instruct individuals and their families. Dietitians working in home health agencies provide instruction on grocery shopping and food preparation to the elderly, individuals with special needs, and children.
Increased public interest in nutrition has led to job opportunities in food manufacturing, advertising, and marketing. In these areas, dietitians analyze foods, prepare literature for distribution, or report on issues such as the nutritional content of recipes, dietary fiber, or vitamin supplements.
Management dietitians oversee large-scale meal planning and preparation in health care facilities, company cafeterias, prisons, and schools. They hire, train, and direct other dietitians and food service workers; budget for and purchase food, equipment, and supplies; enforce sanitary and safety regulations; and prepare records and reports.
And last but not least! - Consultant dietitians work under contract with health care facilities or in their own private practice. They perform nutrition screenings for their clients and offer advice on diet-related concerns such as weight loss and cholesterol reduction. Some work for wellness programs, sports teams, supermarkets, and other nutrition-related businesses. They may consult with food service managers, providing expertise in sanitation, safety procedures, menu development, budgeting, and planning.
In general, Nutritionists & Registered Dietitians are bascially the same, but in fact, a little different; altho each can perform nearly the same functions, a Registered Dietitian is a bit more knowledgeable in the weight loss field, from my understanding. I hope this information helps!
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02-17-2007, 08:42 PM
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Moderator
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Beach Patrol -- Thanks for all that info -- that is VERY helpful!
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02-19-2007, 01:16 AM
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Beam me up Scotty!
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Just as a reminder, regardless of what the designation is, medical or otherwise, these people are not gods. They make mistakes, and don't know everything. Get a second or third opinion if wanted, seek out a number of sources. No one knows your body better than you do and everyone is different. We owe it to ourselves to make sure that we have what we need to make informed decisions about our own lives.
Oh, and by the way, for another perspective on calories, up until recently, i've been losing on about 1800-1900 calories with just a bit of walking. The loss has slowed now and i'll be taking it down a notch to 1700 to see how that goes. 1200 doesn't have to be a magical number for losing, although a number of the more traditional weightloss programs I had looked into still seem to quote that number across the board for some reason.
Last edited by cantforgetthis; 02-19-2007 at 01:25 AM.
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02-19-2007, 07:43 AM
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Senior Member
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They quote 1200, because it is pretty much the lowest calorie range of "healthy"...as in dieting without starving yourself. Also, because it works with people who have less to lose-while you may currently be at 1700...another 40-50 pounds down, that level will no longer work for you most likely. You will have to up the exercise a bit, and lower the calories a bit.
Diet places know this, so they want someone who is 150 pounds to be able to lose weight if they want to-just like someone who is 250.
So, they use a lower number so that smaller people will be able to lose as well.
It is easier for diet places to tell everyone 1200 (low enough for just about anyone), than have to take a look at their activity level, current weight, and other factors.
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02-19-2007, 10:58 AM
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mostly harmless
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What do you call a person who was last in their class in medical school?
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"Doctor"
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