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Old 06-16-2012, 06:32 AM   #1
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Just because we got told to start a new thread. Carry on the chat!

And here's the spreadsheet link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...m1ibUNNYnE1Snc

... or here, since that one doesn't work for some reason https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...m1ibUNNYnE1Snc
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Old 06-16-2012, 06:36 AM   #2
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I know right! That was us told! If anyone is reading this from the old thread, maybe refer back to the last few posts there, or else you'll miss out on some of our vital witterings, and no one would want that.

Thank you so much for your post in the other on MM. I think i will do that. I think CBT/therapy of some kind will benefit me, as might an NHS programme of some kind. I am a little nervous about it though, what do they involve?
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Old 06-16-2012, 06:47 AM   #3
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Here's the link to the old thread.
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I'll put a link to here in the old thread which is now closed.
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The NHS programme that I joined involves one nutrition class per week, that includes a weigh-in. In the one-hour class, you're given helpful information about calories, fat, the way your body uses the food you fuel it with, information about fat and muscle, and ways to avoid excess fat, salt and other things that can harm your weight loss attempts. It's a nice, relaxed information session basically. Also available through the week (but these ones are optional) are physical activity classes. My programme runs about six classes through the week, with an aerobics/circuits class before the nutrition class on Fridays, and I also attend an aqua aerobics class on Tuesday mornings. Classes are suitable for all ages and sizes, they're not like the classes I do at the gym, haha.

As for the CBT therapy, I've had CBT twice, but not for eating/weight issues. In the CBT, the therapist will talk to you about your relationship with food and will try to discover your thinking processes that cause you to attach to food in the way that you do, and will help you to change your way of thinking to a more helpful one, and challenge any thoughts or feelings that are having a negative impact on your life and your feelings. It's a really great therapy for many problems - I've studied it recently and had an exam on the process and benefits of CBT as an aid for depressive disorders (I've just finished a psychology course, haha)
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:13 AM   #5
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Hah!! I skipped the water and had a fabulously low new number on my scales this morning!!! I've now had coffee, weetabix and two pints of water and am going nowhere near them again before Monday!

Gillian McKeith - makes me gnash my teeth and clench my fists! Can't bear the woman and her nonsense. makes out she's some sort of expert when she doesn't actually have a single proper qualification! Gah!

Joselo - good plan re seeing the doc. For many of us there are more complex issues than just overeating and it may help you. Nothing ventured and all that. I also worked out a lot of my issues by keeping a little notebook and writing down what I was thinking about/feeling or whatever when I had any of my mad munching episodes. It helped me to see triggers and from there to work out why I was doing what I was doing. Hope that makes some sense.

Marchmallow - well done on the spinning class - they scare me too.

1987 - wd on a cracking loss!

And well done anyone I've missed - I'm off to lie down. Mustn't stress the hangover out too much, lol. x
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Old 06-16-2012, 07:30 AM   #6
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Not sure if you have this in England but in Wales you can get 2 things that really help if you are on a waiting list for CBT.
They have exercise on prescription where you pay 1 a session to use the gym under close supervision and they set really sensible weight and exercise goals.Some sessions are closed to the public for people who are embarassed at exercising in a room full of skinny people in Lycra.
The other thing is that you can get books on prescription for certain conditions so it might be worth asking your GP if there is anything relevant.
I worked for the NHS until last May and attended a training course with a lovely dietician who was an eating disorder specialist. Not just anorexics, she worked with people who were very overweight and had serious issues with food due to depression bereavement or abuse etc.
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Wow. Could have been a little more polite with the "start a new thread" thing. Jeez!!

This cbt thing sounds interesting but my doc hasnt suggested it at all. tried to get me onto slimming world, they reckoned coz I wasnt working I could go for free... yeah for 12 weeks!! Seriously, whats the point in that!! I don't need slimming world when ive got you guys!!

A bit of a naff loss this week. But its still a loss of 0.8 lbs to be precise. I know its because i walked loads and didnt stock up with water... Why have I been so lacking with that lately?! So today, I was gonna go on the Wii, but I figure walking 3 miles a day next week will be enough exercise lol so taking the weekend to get myself together and get ready for work... Neeeeervous lol.

Goal for today... WATER!!! AND LOTS OF IT lol

Have a great Saturday everyone, and don't get blown over!!
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Jose, small amounts - let me give you a biscuit example. Six months ago, I could demolish an entire packet of biscuits in one go, although I was usually restrained and spread them out over the course of the afternoon. Two days ago I ate two biscuits, and realised halfway through that one would've been fine. What changed?

First, I'm not stuck in that horrible cycle of being addicted to sugar, eating it, and craving more any more. Without the cravings, the food doesn't seem so appetising as it once was. Sugar really does do horrible things to your brain, and one of those things is making you want a lot more of it. When you kick the sugar habit, then a moderate amount of something sweet will seem like plenty to you. It's like a drug: the more you take, the more you need, and you're always chasing a sugar high. Someone with a problem might pop ten pills in a night just to get high, and can't imagine only taking one, but to someone without a problem just one seems like enough.

Second, cutting out the really sugary foods has sort of reset my mouth's ability to detect sweetness. Things seem a lot sweeter now than they used to, and so things like cakes and chocolate get sickly pretty quickly. Once you've got your brain to that stage, a moderate amount will seem much more appealing than a large portion.

Of course, this was just an example, as I think quantity rather than quality of food may be a bigger issue for you. But it does show that your brain's idea of what's normal and what's enough changes over time. And once your brain has changed in that way, you're going to wonder why you ever thought that stuffing yourself to bursting point made you happy.

So I'm seconding what the others have suggested - go talk to your doctor, and have them refer you to someone to talk through just what's going on in your head. And in the meantime, sounds silly, but buy a smaller dinner plate. If the food to plate size ratio doesn't change, your brain will think it's still getting plenty even when the portion's smaller.

Congrats on the artificially low number, Ellie! I think you gave me your hangover though, I have the grimmest headache even though I haven't touched a drop in over a week.

Lozz - twelve weeks would be long enough to get the hang of how Slimming World works, then you can just carry on with it without going to meetings. Or you could just go to one session, work out the basic principles of what they're suggesting (limited treats, lots of vegetables, whatever) and work that into what you're already doing. Or you could say to **** with a diet that obliquely uses the fear of eternal damnation to stop you eating another biscuit. If you want CBT, though, just ask your doctor. It's not like he'll tell you off for bringing it up first!

Down another 1.4lbs today, no idea where it's all going. 9.4lbs to go to hit my August 11th sister-surprising target!

EDIT: totally forgot to say, well done on the 0.8, Lozz! Small steps, but enough of them together and you'll go a long way.
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Old 06-16-2012, 08:59 AM   #9
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This is the thing brid. I do have to odd biscuit or freddo as a treat. I'm not depriving myself of those. Just the other day, I had a slice for birthday cake with my niece. She got up to get me another, and I told her what i had was enough. And it really was!! I used to be able to eat cake until the cows came home. But that one slice was enough to satisfy me and i felt great saying no to another. Finally a bit of self control!!


I just dont like the idea of going to sw... I dunno why. It's never appealed to me. I know i have weeks where i lose a minimal amount (like this week) but when i sit down and think about why its minimal, i understand it and change accordingly ie: drink more stupid water lol. I guess in a way, I dont like being told what to do lol. I'd rather find my own way and make my own mistakes. I find I learn better that way. and anyway, on the whole its moving in the right direction. All be it a bit slower than I would have liked, but that can be fixed

I'm hoping with the walking next week, and no excuses for lack of water i will turn that pesky 3 into a 2. I'm taking my lunch to work with me, so I don't get tempted to buy unhealthy stuff and also, so I eat at work... ive always had a thing for not eating at work... That ends now!!!
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I know slimming world and weight watchers work for alot of people and I have done them myself but when the leader says " has anyone been before"
hands always go up...that tells me that the plans themselves aren't neccessarily the complete answer!. I also find it a bit patronising that somebody who lost a few pounds a couple of years ago should tell me I should have had an apple and not a bag of crisps! I KNOW THAT ALREADY!!!
I think that it is the support aspect that helps and logging your food intake, not neccessarily what points are in this or that food.
I agree with Lozz too....this forum is my support.
Amazingly I am finding my desire to overeat IS diminishing and appetite getting smaller......hooray!
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One problem I have with SW and all the rest is that they're imposed on you, so there's something to rebel against. You can't rebel if you're just doing it yourself. That and they advocate eating as much as you like of certain foods. Sure, it's good to get people eating lots of veggies instead of other things, but you can still overeat on healthy things! I feel like a much more holistic approach to weight loss is needed, because there are so many factors, both internal and external, that affect it, and SW and WW and so on only tackle some of them.

I'm currently talking to a friend who's just given birth and wants to shift the baby weight, she's thinking of joining a slimming world type thing. She says the pressure of weekly weigh ins in front of people should stop her being naughty! Well, whatever works...

What I'm looking forward to, Lozz, is your ticker moving just that little bit further so we can see your start weight properly. It's not been long since the 4 was obscured. We'll see that .15 soon enough!
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Different things work for different people - we all know what we need to do, it's the doing that's so hard, lol. I love SW - it's totally changed my way of eating and has taught me a lot and I find that weekly weigh-in is my conscience. I take what I need from it and ignore the rest.

Lozz - you could always just take the free 12 weeks and see how you get on. Nothing ventured and all that. Re your small loss this week, keep doing what you're doing and you may find a big loss next week. I've often found that it sometimes takes a week for a loss to catch up.

Brid - spot on with the sugar tale. My changes have been much the same. The less sugar I ate the less I craved it and I now find sweet stuff sickly very, very quickly and therefore eat less of it. It's like a non-viscious cycle
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Thank you all! Yeah, I know there are some great people in the NHS who help people of all sizes in a non judgemental manner. I guess I just want to what help I can access, and if CBT or something helps me, it is worth a go. I am not trying to remove personal responsibility here, I just get a feeling that other people don't feel how I do about eating... I think I lack willpower but also I have more to fight against than your average person on the street because I don't think they get the same strong, almost constant desire to eat that I do. I am sick of it.

Well done on the loss, Brid!

Ha ha, Lozz, I thought it was a bit blunt about the new thread too... we must be senstive little flowers!!
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Jose, watch The Men Who Made Us Fat, it's on iplayer at the moment. You're right, you do have a **** of a lot to fight against, and certainly more than skinny people do! But that doesn't mean the task ahead of you is impossible, just that it's going to be all the more impressive when you succeed.

The constant desire to eat is a brain thing, and a body thing. You're responsible in that it's your body and your brain, but that doesn't mean you can control what they do. Seeking outside help when you need it is far better than trying to go it alone no matter what. And you can't take responsibility for the context in which you piled on the pounds - western society is totally screwed up about food and that's not your fault in the least.

As for the average person on the street, they're all bombarded with the same message constantly - eat this, food here, are you hungry?, this tastes better than sex, come and eat. Food is available absolutely everywhere, and thanks to the way marketing works, it's all advertised in a way that maximises your desire for food. The street is a terrible place for healthy eating!
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I have to totally agree with you about the whole plate size thing. It really does work! I am eating much of what my family eat as that's the most cost effective thing to do but I must eat nigh on half of what I used to. And here's the thing ....I really enjoy what I eat and am almost always satisfied(in my stomach if not my brain!) by the smaller portion. Another up side is that the food I buy goes further. I am also trying this approach with my 7 year old as he eats more than he should even if it is a pretty healthy diet. I looked up the size kids portions should be and was a bit shocked! He is a tall lad for his age but tends to be a bit too sedentary as he has problems with his feet and knees that make running and playing games a bit tricky. We have walked to school since I started my "New Me" plan and have bought a trampoline so he is getting a bit fitter without noticing. I don't want o be one of those mum's who makes their kid paranoid about their weight so I keep it all a bit surreptitious. He has now started to join me at the weekend on my shorter walk and really enjoys it!
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