You've all been busy having a great conversation while i've been sleeping. I agree with points made my so many people here.

So long as people are not abusing one another i don't see anything wrong with debate. I think its important.

Regardless of the arguments, most people will follow the course they are inclined towards regardless of what they hear, such as people do with religion. But for some readers the debate may be useful.

I also understand that a lot of people people coming to a board like this for the first time are particularly sensitive. And i don't think telling people to toughen up will enable them to toughen up. But i don't think telling them they are doing the wrong thing is wrong either.

If you see an injured person administering poison to their wounds, do you just let them continue without protest? Well you might if its a drug addict or alcoholic lolling around on the footpath but when someone comes to a site like this, they are effectively giving permission for people to express their opinions.

I also think its useful for people to give an element of the backstory to their choices such as wannabe and her support for IE. For my part, i say why i don't make exercise a key part of my weightloss program anymore. Not that i'm against it or think it would apply to all. I should say it again though - i find regular formal exercise unsustainable. I know many people can do it. I haven't yet been able to keep up such a practice and i always find upon reaching my goal weight and trying to come down from a period of much exercise to no exercise buggers up my continued low weight. I am not saying its the only factor but its a key one. I have just never been able to do it. I admire people who can keep it up for years on end. My sister is one such person and i see many people here are able to do it. But its why i suggest people don't rely on it for weightloss.

Where is the ignore option?

View the profile you want to ignore. Below their avatar picture is the ignore button.

You got it backwards. You believe yourself to be insulin resistant. (You're probably right) You believe Freelance is not.

Yes, you are being overly dramatic in my opinon. Why? Because the simple fact is that regardless of the method one loses fat with insulin sensativity increases. You may have not been as successful with another approach but even if you followed the twinkie diet your insulin sensativity would have increased.

Just a technicality, but I think you mean "insulin resistant." Insulin sensitivity is actually a GOOD thing. It means that the insulin in your body is doing its job. Some oral antidiabetic drugs are called "insulin sensitizers" because they increase insulin sensitivity. Insulin resistance, on the other hand, is associated with metabolic syndrome and diabetes.

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Again, that is why it is what works for you personally. I am insulin reistant but do well on a high carb diet.

So different folks, different strokes

I brought up facts first so I feel compelled to respond to this.

Facts are not the same as methods. Facts are things we know to be true. For example - calories dictate fat loss or gain. This is an indisputable fact. It doesn't mean all calories are equal or that all calories impact us the same way but the simple fact is if you're not in a caloric deficit you're not going to reduce your body fat.

I'm not one to argue methods, each to their own. I am one to argue facts.

By the way, Colin Campbell is a great example of confirmation bias in my opinion. His views are not supported by the data.

We agree on Campbell. Ancel Keys was also a good example of confirmation bias.

Freelance I've heard them used I interchangeably http://www.diabetes.co.uk/insulin/in...nsitivity.html

From the article you cited:

People with low insulin sensitivity, also referred to as insulin resistance, will require larger amounts of insulin either from their own pancreas or from injections in order to keep blood glucose stable.

Insulin sensitivity & insulin resistance are more or less opposites, and not used interchangeably in the article.

Everyone just needs to chill out, eat tons of salad, 5 cans of canned fish a day, drink beer and work out a lot.

Oh yeah. And eat oats and do squats.

Job done.

What if you don't like beer, squats and fish. Does that mean you just eat oats and salad? (clown picture here)

No. It means you need to find another weigh.

None of this is rocket science.

Got it on the opposites.

JohnP so if you have a lot of fat, especially in the mid section, are insulin resistant, body is producing a lot of insulin, hungry all the time as your starting point, what would you or anyone else suggest?

I'm just going to add that research on the subject of dietary influences on insulin resistance is far from conclusive and hotly contested by scientists... you know, people who have PhDs and such.

A (preferably very) high intake of Omega 3s from fresh, frozen or canned fish will smack that insulin resistance in the nuts and kick hunger. Eat salmon. Sardines. Trout. (more varieties available on request). With some eggs. And brocolli. Work out. And lose. Add some carbs if you like. Oats. A little bread. And honey wouldn't do no harm.

Omega 3s from fish annihilate insulin resistance.

Try it and c.