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05-22-2011, 03:29 PM
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#16
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Junior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
Posts: 15
S/C/G: 214.6/198.8/150
Height: 5' 4.5"
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I am more agnostic than atheist. I was in OA years ago and my sponsor was not great and I left the program after being told I would burn in **** for trying Buddism.
I now practice Wicca Religion.. I like the ritual and use the ways of nature.. burning a candle to help me focus.. writing out my positive affirmations. I saw some great advice in this thread and am again seeking help with my food addiction.
Hope we can provide support for each other.
Valerie
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05-23-2011, 06:38 PM
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#17
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 185
S/C/G: 272/245/174
Height: 5'10
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Originally Posted by dakiniverona
I am more agnostic than atheist. I was in OA years ago and my sponsor was not great and I left the program after being told I would burn in **** for trying Buddism.
I now practice Wicca Religion.. I like the ritual and use the ways of nature.. burning a candle to help me focus.. writing out my positive affirmations. I saw some great advice in this thread and am again seeking help with my food addiction.
Hope we can provide support for each other.
Valerie
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Did your sponsor say that? Outrageous that any person would say that to another, much less one sufferer to another. There are all kinds of approaches to HP, and a Wiccan approach would work very well. Personally, the approach that I take is very heavily influenced by Buddhism. Best wishes finding a more sympathetic sponsor.
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01-19-2012, 09:07 PM
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#18
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1
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any atheists ? yes, I am also
You asked about other atheists at OA. I tried going to a couple of meetings years ago then again just at Christmas we tried again and attended a few meetings. I could not get past the religious emphasis on spirituality and using God every other word it seemed, Each step is heavily based on this spiritual belief and it just did not work for me. I am looking for another help group, I do need help and I know it but cannot afford any private therapy or a health spa. Maybe you will have better luck than I did. When we went to the meetings, it was very sad, people obviously in deep need of help also, I am sure many were just intensely lonely, and I wish I could have been able to stay and maybe contribute but it was impossible. So, that is my experience. My husband went with me and he also agreed.
Last edited by FloridaGoldenGirl; 01-19-2012 at 09:24 PM.
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01-20-2012, 03:47 AM
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Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: South Florida
Posts: 69
S/C/G: 262/see bar/150
Height: 5"6
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Originally Posted by bitkit
Hey everyone,
TRG online has a loop for "OA Free Thinkers" which I have found really interesting and hopeful and helpful so far.
If you can't find it off their site listings, contact them and I'm sure they'll hook you up.
Lots of old-timers with recovery and a healthy critical perspective to OA, too.
Catherine
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I am very glad for this group. Though it, I finally found a sponsor who I think just might be a good fit for me. That's something I never had before.
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Originally Posted by FloridaGoldenGirl
You asked about other atheists at OA. I tried going to a couple of meetings years ago then again just at Christmas we tried again and attended a few meetings. I could not get past the religious emphasis on spirituality and using God every other word it seemed, Each step is heavily based on this spiritual belief and it just did not work for me. I am looking for another help group, I do need help and I know it but cannot afford any private therapy or a health spa. Maybe you will have better luck than I did. When we went to the meetings, it was very sad, people obviously in deep need of help also, I am sure many were just intensely lonely, and I wish I could have been able to stay and maybe contribute but it was impossible. So, that is my experience. My husband went with me and he also agreed.
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While I agree there are a lot of issues to work around with the OA program as a hardcore skeptical atheist - private therapy is very expensive, and OA is cheaper and more available than most other stuff out there. That and I kinda like the challenge of seeing how I might be able to do it. Because if I can manage it, maybe others can too.
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02-01-2012, 11:36 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 5
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I belong to another 12 step program and I think the replies you have received as well as the revision of the steps are great. I was raised as an atheist and had issues with an HP too; however, I've learned through the steps and the tools that you can learn to let go w/out an HP. For me I always liked the thought of the power greater than myself as being the collective consciousness of my home group.
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02-05-2012, 08:59 PM
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#21
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Junior Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2
S/C/G: 306/185/164
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When I started going to OA I had a huge problem with the whole concept of a HP. After reading the AA BigBook I took it exactly as they teach it. Do you believe in a power greater then you. Any power. It opened the door and I actually do now have a relationship with a High Power.
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04-23-2012, 10:26 AM
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#22
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 157
S/C/G: 208/162/140
Height: 5"3
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Never did OA but found that "a god as we understand it" hard to be taught, I'm still not sure as to whether I believe there is a hp or it is a coping mechanism so my brain can relieve itself of some pressure.
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04-23-2012, 10:31 AM
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#23
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 1,164
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I am agnostic. I left OA not because of the religious aspect, but because many of the mantras and the way it was set up was not for me I guess, but joining it did give me that extra oomph to deal with my binging problems.
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05-11-2012, 04:49 PM
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#24
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 162
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Hello What is TRG Online?
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05-19-2012, 08:08 PM
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Member
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Birmingham, UK
Posts: 42
S/C/G: SW 240/ CW 210/ GW 150
Height: 5'7''
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dannyb
Here's a copy of a post that I just shared w/ the TRG Freethinker's Loop:
The more I thought about it, the more I thought that the "Humanist 12-Step" list that I circulated this morning had some shortcomings. So, I took a stab at writing one. I tried to be true to the intent and aim of the OA and AA 12-steps,but substituted Humanist principles for the theistic ones. I'm interested to hear what you think, and I'm happy to hear any suggestions for improvement:
DAN B’s HUMANIST 12-Steps for Overeaters (DRAFT):
1. We admitted we were powerless over food and that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. We came to believe that it was possible to be restored to sanity by turning to a fellowship of other sufferers and by relying upon various tools and techniques that could enhance and strengthen our own power over food.
3. We made a decision to turn to that fellowship and to rely upon those techniques and tools in order to improve all aspects of our lives.
4. We made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. We admitted to ourselves and to another person, in a spirit of penitence, the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. We became willing to improve ourselves and committed to address our shortcomings, which commitment included a willingness to accept the help of our fellowship and to rely upon tools and techniques that could assist us in this endeavor.
7. We made a symbolic gesture that had personal meaning to us that commemorated our willingness and commitment to be rid of our shortcomings.
8. We made a list of all persons we had harmed and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. We made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. We continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it
11. We sought to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to carry this message to compulsive overeaters and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
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Thank you so much for sharing these with us! I too felt extremely weird going to OA meetings and being an atheist. Reciting the serenity prayer and reading the steps did not really have an effect on me because I do not believe in a higher power. It makes so much sense that the higher power could be the group itself.
I have printed these steps off and posted them on my wall as well as putting a copy in my purse. I'm glad there is a way to work the programme as a Humanist
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05-22-2012, 07:47 AM
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#26
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Miral Paris
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Midwest
Posts: 33
S/C/G: 191/140
Height: 5/5
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I just could never go to an OA meeting because of the religious overtones.
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05-22-2012, 08:14 AM
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Fat to Fab and Fit
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 6,122
S/C/G: 190/151.2/122
Height: 5'3"
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Wow....this was very informative! I always feel out of place with my agnostic views.
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05-23-2015, 08:02 PM
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#28
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Junior Member
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3
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There are loads of great resources for 12 step programs on the aaagnostica website, I love their reader Beyond Belief, it is incredibly helpful to my recovery.
I've been in OA for over 8 months and have lost 25% of my body weight (I am now at the higher end of a healthy BMI range). I'm an atheist and a compulsive overeater, so I need to find a way to be in OA as an atheist.
The higher power thing has been really tough for me and I'k still working through it, but I definitely need to be in OA, because the things that drives me to eat are deep seated emotional issues. I absolutely cannot stop of my own volition, I know because I have tried and failed for more than 18 years. The only successful 'diets' I ever did it now turns out I was displaying anorexic behaviour and exercise bulimia. Anyway, I'm glad I've found OA and it has made my life much better.
One thing I have found to be a total lifeline is having an atheist sponsor. They are not easy to find, but without one I would have seriously struggled with staying in program and overcoming my initial frustrations (some of which persist, but the rewards I've gained mean I understand that OA really works for me and encourage me to stick at it).
There is a freethinkers group I co-ordinate on yahoo under the name '12step freethinkers anonymous', this is a place for atheists, agnostics, and freethinkers to come and connect with others in the OA community who might be having similar issues with the Higher Power aspects of the program, or to share how they've successfully worked those elements.
I'm hosting my first skype meeting this Tuesday, 26th May 2015 (it'll be on Monday 25th May in the evening if you're in the USA). You can find it if you search skype for 'OAfreethinkers', the call is audio only and newcomers are welcome, all are welcome in fact! Hopefully I can get some members involved and make the meeting a regular thing.
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11-07-2015, 07:00 AM
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#29
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Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 70
S/C/G: 296
Height: 5'8"
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I am not into the monotheistic religions either. I prefer dipping my toe into Buddhism and doing the occasional Witchy chant.
I do think that there is an important place for a higher power in many athiests lives. And I get that some of you won't go there.
I've been reading studies on neuroplasticity and brain health. Some of those studies are showing a marked improvement in brain health (As measured by heat and energy output - I know, highly imperfect still.) When people pray and create rituals around a HP. Here's the thing - It really doesn't matter what that higher power is. One school had students pray to their university's first president. They achieved the same benefits as people who prayed to god.
What works for me is to take some object that isn't associated with anything I find distasteful, and to focus my "religious" step 2, 3, + 11 work on that. For example the tree outside my window.
I don't focus on the fellowship as my HP, because we are crazy. Its a whole group of drunks! How are we going to solved anything? There is **** going on in these groups that my HP is not cool with. For me, the fellowship is for community and outreach. My HP is all my own.
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