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Old 03-05-2015, 05:12 PM   #1
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Iíve been on the IP protocol for 21 weeks (started in October) and I am about Ĺ way to my goal. And Iím struggling. I feel like the diet has stopped working. My typical day:

Breakfast
Liquid Chocolate drink
Lunch
Dark choc pudding
Cucumber
Dinner
Chicken or Steak
2 c veggies (asparagus, cabbage, broc, spinach) usually cooked with garlic
Snack
Lemon choc squares

I drink between 60 to 100 ounces of water daily, about Ĺ with sugar free, kool-aid squeeze flavors because Iím really really tired of water.

Sometimes on weekend, I eat the chicken patties with spinach or cabbage for lunch, but thatís the only variance really. Supplements I take are the Omega 3, multivit, cal-mags, potassium, and last week the doc put me on the dietery enzymes. I donít drink coffee, but noticed that the caffeine helps the program, so Iím taking a caffeine supplement as well. My weight loss was great up until about Christmas (2-3lbs a week) but has slowed to a crawl 1lb for the last 2 months. The inches havenít been moving either.
This week with the enzymes, I gained back 2.5lbs. I also started working out (mile jog & 10-15min of focused toning on arms, legs or core), but I donít think the weight gain is due to the working out, I havenít been doing it long enough to make that kind of an impact. Iím getting super frustrated and honestly at the point in the game, itís hard to stay on the program knowing Iím not losing any more weight than if I was off the program and following a program that didnít cost $100 a week. I went off the wagon for a couple of days now (this is after my feelings of it not working, so this is not the reasonÖI just donít see the point in continuing until I can get a fresh approach), so itís just compounding the problem because Iím not eating like Iím supposed to (not eating horribly, but Iím probably out of ketosis).

Thinking about breaking off the program entirely for a while, and coming back to finish, but Iím lacking the motivation since it doesnít seem to be doing as advertised. I feel run down, irritable, and impatient. I want to quit. I want to eat Ďnormalí again. I want out of this body. I know weight loss takes time, but if I stuck to the program, this was supposed to be a faster avenue.

Iíve lost 48lbs, 15 was from diet/exercise I was doing on my own before I started the program, and the last 33 was from IP. Can anyone help? Give me ideas? Words of encouragement?

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Old 03-05-2015, 05:26 PM   #2
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Funny you mention this right now... I too had the same problem about 20 weeks in and it has not improved for the past 20 weeks. Definitely feeling the same way, but its not that I want to eat normally, its that I want to see results when eating OP.

Even though I am frustrated, I keep telling myself to keep on because any other way will not work.

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Old 03-05-2015, 05:33 PM   #3
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Hi,

The 190-170s were the slowest patch for me too. I did not go off program, although I was frustrated. I kept going because even one pound was a successful loss. Slowly between Jan.and June, the rest of the pounds came off until I reached goal.

It sounds like you have diet fatigue. To combat this, I tried different recipes, new vegetables and IP products. Switched things up often. I also read a lot of threads and it became clear that many people struggle to get back OP after a break.

You have put in so much work at this point, I hope that you can stick out this slow patch. The IP journey is not a direct line, sometimes it gets a little messy on the way. I can honestly say that other WL programs/losses have not been sustainable for me.

On IP, I found it helpful to have a visual of every pound I lost, counting down to my goal. I posted in one thread every day to focus on my plan. With my wonderful support system here, we made list of the changes weight loss was having on our lives and I rewarded myself (with awesome stuff) for each 5-10 pound goal.

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Old 03-05-2015, 05:34 PM   #4
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Congratulations on your losses so far! You've done amazing!!

You say that your weight loss has slowed to a crawl of 1lb per week. This is still 1 lb per week!! I know it's frustrating at times because you were used to losing so much but it is true that as you get to a lower weight you will lose slower. Sure, you could go off IP, and maybe you'll lose weight...but I'd imagine you'll be spending a lot of time meal planning and exercising to get that same 1 lb/week loss. I'd be worried about going off the program and coming back as you may not be able to get into it mentally. Perhaps you should spend some time journalling (not food but feelings) and try to get in a more positive mind state to help you continue with the diet until the end.

Working out at the start will definitely cause water retention. When you start to use muscles that you haven't been for a while they will need time to adjust and strengthen. With this comes water retention. Keep that in mind.

I can completely understand what you are going through. I've been experiencing the same internal battle lately as to whether I should just quit now or not. I think quitting now would just cheat me of my happiness so I'm sticking with it. This isn't easy, no weight loss method ever is, it's a mental game and a physical one...probably more mental than anything. It's worth it. But it's your body, and it's your life and I don't want to tell you what to do. You'll figure out deep down what's best for you, I'm just voicing my opinion and hopefully it will help you make a choice.
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:35 PM   #5
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Breakfast
Liquid Chocolate drink
Lunch
Dark choc pudding
Cucumber
Dinner
Chicken or Steak
2 c veggies (asparagus, cabbage, broc, spinach) usually cooked with garlic
Snack
Lemon choc squares
I've only been doing IP for 4.5 weeks but I have done Atkins & low carb variations for 13 years - one thing that jumps out at me is that people (myself included) ran into sensitivity to artificial sweeteners.
Also, I believe aspartame is a no-no with IP: http://calorielab.com/foods/fruit-fl...vor/32/14127/1
& again, with any diet it is a YMMV substance. You said weight loss has been stagnant for 2 months...when did you start using the kool aid?

Personally, I would stop the kool aid additive for at least a week to see if the scale moves again. If that does nothing, I gather you have a coach...maybe it's time to shake things up - especially with the addition of exercise. You may need to add the 4th packet, for example.

Good luck!
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:44 PM   #6
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It's the exercise and the way your metabolism is trying to balance IP with it.

Trust me. I have noticed the exact same thing since Couch to 5K ramped up from small run intervals (8-10 mins) to the longer ones (25-28 mins). I was losing steadily until that time. In the last 2 weeks I have gained and lost the same 3lbs over and over and over again.

While muscle and fat weigh the same, there is a difference in the volume (size) so if your fat loss is being masked by muscle gain this is exactly what you will see. Muscle needs more water to function AND to repair after strenuous exercise. This is why you see gains. It isn't sodium retention it is muscle recovery.

Secondary to that, if you are running every day then you will need to increase your complex carbs (think sweet potato, brown long grain rice) to trigger a small insulin release which will help with protein synthesis for muscle recovery. You don't need very much, but it sounds like your body may be slowing down the loss because you are taking in too few calories/carbs and it thinks you are going into starvation.

Don't go mad, just add either a tbsp of complex carb OR an extra packet in. Your list looks good, but it seems like you're missing 2 cups of veggies per day if that is your typical intake. Make sure you don't cheat yourself out of those, they are important.

The other thing that I've found with the running is that I need to make sure to do cooldown stretches afterwards. This not only aids with taking the tension off the muscle (and stops cramping) but it seems to help with carb burning post-exercise.

This is one of the reasons most IP coaches don't like exercise in P1. They aren't trained to teach you how to combat the effects and how to handle the pyschological issues of slower or stalled loss that we IPers experience when we perceive that the diet is no longer working.

If you feel that you need a break, take one. Just make sure that you don't go back to a "normal" diet that is full of fats and excess carbs. That way lies a return to all that you have lost, and it's SO not worth it.

If the IP foods are boring you, start changing some of the packets out for real food equivalents. Put more eggs in, change your veggies to more leafy green (think red chard, tuscan kale, mustard greens) ones that have lots of antioxidants. Squeeze in your restricted in something that you would regard as a treat.

Tonight I am splurging (went light on veggies at lunch so I could) by making an IP compliant version of cottage pie:-

- 93% lean ground beef
- 1c cauliflower (mashed with 1tsp butter from daily oil allowance)
- 1/2c tuscan kale
- 1/4c leek
- 1/2c baby bella mushroom
- 1/4c zucchini
- 1 tbsp Heinz 1-carb tomato ketchup
- garlic pepper
- cayenne pepper

Edit: Also making a side salad of lettuce, 4 cherry tomatoes halved, and a couple of raw red onion rings.

This is going to be so rich it'll feel like cheating!

Stay strong, you can push through this slowdown. This is the psychological side of the diet, and where so many people give up and fall back into their old, bad eating habits. You can do it.
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Old 03-05-2015, 05:55 PM   #7
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I've been using the koolaid since the beginning, it isn't aspartame - its sucralose, and it's been coach-approved.

I was thinking I would stop that and the caffeine - it's new with just a couple of weeks usage, although it really helped at first.

I'll look into the 4th packet option as well, it might be with the exercise I'm going to require more then what I'm getting.

Thank you for the advice everyone - It's good to know that the retention might be due to the workouts, and I just need to work past that initial hump.

And diet fatigued is about as close to a description of how I feel as I could ever get, so I think that's right on the money. I'll have a look around and see how to shake it up.
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I agree you may need to shake things up with your food, I've been trying to as I'm finding the last 10lbs really slow (I've also upped my exercise routine), and I've read that it can help get passed a stall. You don't have to go off the rails or anything, but maybe get a little more fat into your diet for a few days as well. Just small healthy "extras" in moderation in addition to the plan, and the go back completely OP. Also, if you choose to go off the diet I think it's still recommended that you phase off properly so your body restarts or adjust better (someone can call me on it if I am completely wrong )

Whatever you choose, good luck!
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You're allowed to count cucumber toward your veggies, and some days I do, but it's on the "unlimited" list for a reason: it's mostly water!

I definitely would suggest swapping out the cucumber for 2 cups of some other veggie, to see if that helps!

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Another option, if you think you really can't go any longer, is to go to phase 2. I lost weight during phase 2 in a greater amount than I had been losing in phase 1 (and I've seen others who experienced the same). When you are done with phase 2, you can decide whether you want to go ahead to phase 3, to stay on phase 2 or, having shaken things up, are ready to go back to phase 1. But I echo determineddieter's advice -- whatever you do, don't quit without phasing off. It's the #1 reason people put weight back on. Good luck, whatever you decide. And congrats on your success -- you've done great!!!
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I've been using the koolaid since the beginning, it isn't aspartame - its sucralose, and it's been coach-approved.

I was thinking I would stop that and the caffeine - it's new with just a couple of weeks usage, although it really helped at first.

I'll look into the 4th packet option as well, it might be with the exercise I'm going to require more then what I'm getting.

Thank you for the advice everyone - It's good to know that the retention might be due to the workouts, and I just need to work past that initial hump.

And diet fatigued is about as close to a description of how I feel as I could ever get, so I think that's right on the money. I'll have a look around and see how to shake it up.
Sorry - what I looked up showed sucralose

I've done caffeine without issue from the get-go (coffee) without issues - but a supplement of caffeine seems...odd (to me)

There are some really awesome recipes on the threads - great ways to shake up your staples, like cauli-rice, and maybe discover some new veggies - lately chayote has become 'hot' around here
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Oh, and on the subject of caffeine. Avoid taking it before you run, please. It raises the heart rate, and unless you are a slow runner your heart rate will spike. Leave at least an hour after coffee before cardio exercise. Strength training is fine.

That was one thing that I was warned about by both doctor and nutritionist. Stay safe.
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Many things can be going on.
How long ago has it been since you got a decent carbohydrate load that would accumulate glucose stores. A metabolic adaptation could have very well happened. Hidden carbohydrates, or eating a product that can still stimulate insulin. How many alt products are you using? Are you sure they are in dose and compliance with P1? Do you know your blood butyrate level? Ketosticks aren't best measure for some. Blood ketone is accurate.
How does your calorie intake compared to a calorie counter. How close is the maintenance vs your intake? You kind of answer your own question if you don't think you are in Ketosis. Did you stall before breaking protocol?
It could likely mean your above your maintenance intake. primarily in carbohydrates and total calories. enzymes will increase your kcal and that number is literally magic because you have no way to know/ measure what the level of fermentation in the colon from fiber those enzymes will create. This process creates energy for your body in the form of short chain fatty acids. But it isn't a bad thing but has to be recognized as an actual event.
If it was me I would look at the below information and see how it sets. Then get real strict for a couple of weeks, then after 14 days get a glucose load. Probably a sweet potato just as to not maybe starting a very negative habit. Then go back to atleast another week to 10 days before breaking the diet with another load. The dietary disruption stops metabolic adaptation. Try that a couple of times before sacking the whole thing. If more than the diet like a emotional or boredom type trigger. Non of this is a help really. The keto/ lcd may be the most effective for losing weight fast but long term compliance is its largest downfall.

None of these are IP specific but are more broadly either Keto, or CKD (cyclic keto).
http://www.ruled.me/ketogenic-diet-w...loss-plateaus/

Here are a couple of podcast that cater to women and a VLCD.
They do promote cycling but some nuggets may be applicable and might assist.
http://body.io/body-io-fm-01-introdu...-diet-fitness/
http://body.io/body-io-fm-02-common-...-back-loading/
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There are some really awesome recipes on the threads - great ways to shake up your staples, like cauli-rice, and maybe discover some new veggies - lately chayote has become 'hot' around here
Jimica was a very nice addition for me. I didn't relize chayote was also. Will have to look at ways to utilize it.
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Jimica was a very nice addition for me. I didn't relize chayote was also. Will have to look at ways to utilize it.
Yes - jicama also! I couldn't even pronounce it a month ago. Getting ready for a little bit raw with cinnamon.
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