What recipes, Andrea?? I need to take a look at that too. Maybe I can find out what's up?
Liana
I'll give you the page numbers since there is no index so it's hard to find a recipe in this book. Also I'm not finding in the book if the Carb # is net or whole. I input the ingredients as recipes in MFP exactly like the recipes in the cookbook. I left out the spices because they have no caloric or macro nutrient value.
Pg. 247 Lamb Chops - According to CV's # this should be a fat meal. But not according to MFP. Of course there could be some variance in the fat due to the size of the chops used, but what accounts for the carb difference? And it's sizable. Not even close to 3:1.
CV's # Cal 559 Fat 23 Protein 49 Carb 8
MFP # Cal 410 Fat 18 Protein 21 Carb 47 Fiber 18 (Net Carb 29)
Pg. 189 Sesame Chicken with Snow Peas - CV's #'s say its a carb meal. Close but still not 3:1 and calories and protein are wildly different.
CV's # Cal 670 Fat 12 Protein 63 Carb 31
MFP # Cal 338 Fat 9 Protein 39 Carb 25 Fiber 6 (Net Carb 19)
Pg. 160 Chili Style Chicken w/vegetables.
Supposed to be a fat meal. This called for boneless skinless drumsticks. I've never seen those. I input it with the same weight of chicken thighs, but there isn't much difference in the numbers between that and the chicken breast that I used because that's what I had. Again, ratios off and quite a bit of difference in calories.
CV's # Cal 427 Fat 27 Protein 52 Carb 11
MFP # Cal 298 Fat 8 Protein 51 Carb 20 Fiber 5 (Net Carb 15)
The upshot of this is that I will input any of these recipes in MFP before I go out and buy the ingredients to make sure of the numbers. On the whole, I am very disappointed in this cookbook. It's one thing to have grammar errors and missing steps, but when the whole premise of the cookbook is the carb and fat separation, this book falls short in a big way.
Yeah, Andrea, I see what you mean...
The macros in the book do not match the foods described in the recipe. I actually never looked at that part of the recipes and just tweak things myself anyhow to fit my tastes and macros & ingredients on hand.
I'd take that up with the website for sure if I were you. I may post a question or two on his FB page...
If there's no good explanation, that's very disappointing.
Liana
BREAKFAST Calories Carbs Fiber Fat Protein Sugar May sound strange but I didn't feel like greek yogourt today. Tasted good. Craisins Tablespoon - Craisins, 1 tbsp(s) 33 8 1 0 0 7
Dairyland - Cottage Cheese - Fat Free, 125 g 90 6 0 0 15 6
Nature's Path Organic - Sunrise Crunchy Maple Cereal, 2/3 cup 110 25 3 1 2 7
233 39 4 1 17 20
LUNCH Egg & veggie scramble. Saporito - Extra Virgin Olive Oil, 1 tsp (10 ml) 40 0 0 5 0 0
Vegetable - Celery Stalk 7 -8" Long (Kym), 1.5 stalk 9 2 1 0 0 1
Ziggy's - Black Forest Ham Extra Lean, 3 slices 45 2 0 1 7 1
Cauliflower - Raw, 1.25 cup 31 7 3 0 2 3
Generic - Bell Peppers-mixed (Yellow, Orange, Red), 0.33 cup 6 1 1 0 0 1
Eggs - Whole, raw, 3 large 221 1 0 15 19 1
Gort's - Extra Aged Raw Milk Gouda, 37.5 g or 1 oz 150 3 0 13 9 0
502 16 5 34 37 7
DINNER Taco salad again (DH's fave). The nuts were 'dessert' after everything else was finished. Lettuce - Red leaf, raw, 2 cup shredded 9 1 1 0 1 0
Generic - Bell Peppers-mixed (Yellow, Orange, Red), 0.75 cup 14 3 1 0 0 2
Tomato - Grape Tomato, 6 tomatoes 13 3 2 0 0 0
Stagg Chili (Canada) - Silverado Beef (97% Fat Free), 0.75 cup (250g) 195 23 5 6 13 5
Every Day Market- Canned - Lentils Brown Cooked, Drained, 93.75 g -.5 cups 60 11 2 0 5 0
Dairyland - Cottage Cheese - Fat Free, 62.5 g 45 3 0 0 8 3
Dairyland - Cottage Cheese Dry Curd, 62.5 g 55 1 0 0 11 1
La Costena - La Costena Salsa Hot, 31 g (2tbsp) 10 3 1 0 0 0
Nuts - Raw - Pecans (Whole), 3 each 58 1 0 6 1 0
459 49 12 12 39 11
Yeah, Andrea, I see what you mean...
The macros in the book do not match the foods described in the recipe. I actually never looked at that part of the recipes and just tweak things myself anyhow to fit my tastes and macros & ingredients on hand.
I'd take that up with the website for sure if I were you. I may post a question or two on his FB page...
If there's no good explanation, that's very disappointing.
Liana
I will go to the website tonight and contact him. It's a shame really. IP is pushing the book very hard in the comments sections of the IP P4 videos.
I saw where you asked a question about the fat study on Med Pub after one of the P4 videos. Did you read it? What did you think? Upping to 6000 cal and no weight increase? I find that hard to believe.
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Yeah, Andrea, I see what you mean...
The macros in the book do not match the foods described in the recipe. I actually never looked at that part of the recipes and just tweak things myself anyhow to fit my tastes and macros & ingredients on hand.
I'd take that up with the website for sure if I were you. I may post a question or two on his FB page...
If there's no good explanation, that's very disappointing.
Liana
I will go to the website tonight and contact him. It's a shame really. IP is pushing the book very hard in the comments sections of the IP P4 videos.
I saw where you asked a question about the fat study on Med Pub after one of the P4 videos. Did you read it? What did you think? Upping to 6000 cal and no weight increase? I find that hard to believe.
People lost fat weight even on Atkins but that diet didn't have enough healthy carbs (veggies) and didn't teach you how to eat in a normal healthy way from all the food groups like IP does. You were just dropped after the diet and pretty well everyone went back to old eating styles. There was no maintenance plan (that I've heard of anyhow).
I saw where you asked a question about the fat study on Med Pub after one of the P4 videos. Did you read it? What did you think? Upping to 6000 cal and no weight increase? I find that hard to believe.
Catlady, I've been reading a lot about low carb high fat (LCHF) lately as I prepare to go into maintenance since I will be ramping up carbs slowly, and most likely will not be able to eat very much of them, depending on what my body does with them. This book refers to multiple studies and explains the physiology of eating so many fat calories and not gaining weight.
People lost fat weight even on Atkins but that diet didn't have enough healthy carbs (veggies) and didn't teach you how to eat in a normal healthy way from all the food groups like IP does. You were just dropped after the diet and pretty well everyone went back to old eating styles. There was no maintenance plan (that I've heard of anyhow).
Liana
Thanks for the link. I saved it so I can read it later. I posted the questions to CV's Facebook page. No answer yet.
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Originally Posted by murrcat
Catlady, I've been reading a lot about low carb high fat (LCHF) lately as I prepare to go into maintenance since I will be ramping up carbs slowly, and most likely will not be able to eat very much of them, depending on what my body does with them. This book refers to multiple studies and explains the physiology of eating so many fat calories and not gaining weight.
On another note, I start P3 on Thursday and I am so looking forward to breakfast!!!!
Thanks for the link. I was doing low carb/high fat (Paleo) before I started IP. I gained 16 lbs. So that does not work for me. But it may have been that my pancreas was so out of whack nothing would have worked. I have only introduced whole wheat bread, waffles, brown rice and potatoes so far. No ill effects. I'll keep adding things in and see what happens. Congrats on P3. My first bite of cheese at a P3 breakfast induced tears. It is so good to eat again. Enjoy!
Your salad sounds delish. I love mandarin oranges. Are you taking the yogurt and cottage cheese and just putting it in the salad or are you whirring it around in a blender to make a dressing?
Your salad sounds delish. I love mandarin oranges. Are you taking the yogurt and cottage cheese and just putting it in the salad or are you whirring it around in a blender to make a dressing?
I just throw the cottage cheese on the salad and use it for a dressing. I actually ate the apple pie yogurt separately (although it could make an interesting dressing!).
I have a ton of mandarins to eat right now and just got a bunch of Honeybell oranges given to me. I could eat them all day but have to limit since too much citrus makes me break out with blisters on my fingers.
Ruth Ann, nice to see you again. I hope things become tolerably less busy.
Andrea, It's good to hear what your experience is as you add carbs back in. I hear you on the pancreas out whack--I went to the naturopath last spring because of unexplained weight gain--turned out it was both blood sugar and thyroid issues and she recommended IP for weight loss. Hopefully I will have a good experience adding carbs back in also.
Hi IP friends. It has been a while. Last time I posted was in September. I had been on IP for about 24 weeks and I lost about 45 lbs. I had a busy and stressful fall with lots of travel and work changes as well as some person issues. That said, I stuck to program and went into maintenance in November after losing 59 pounds ( going from 205 to 155 lbs) I was on top of the world. After maintenance going through phase 3 and a few weeks of phase 4, I gained a few pounds and hovered around 158-162 depending on the day.
I made it through the Christmas holidays without binging, although I am sure I over indulged compared to how I was eating the six or so months prior. Once the holidays were over, I became vigilant about cutting out sugar totally from my diet and getting back on track with writing down what I eat and taking care to not over indulge in "complex" carbs. I am still consuming 8-10 glasses of water and lots of herbal tea every day, consuming no packaged food - except for my morning granola and greek yogurt.
All this said, I got a new scale today so I could keep an eye on my weight and body fat% and approximate BMI. When I got on the scale it read 168.2!!! I had seen the number go as high as 162 ( Dec 26 ) and haven't weighed myself since then ( haven't had access to a scale). I am feeling defeated and frustrated and embarrassed and frightened right now. I mean can I really gain that much weight in such a short period of time by eating healthy? Am I destined to be a life long carb watcher? I am feeling like I should just go right back to the first phase of the program and nip this in the bud. What are your thoughts?
I know the scale is pretty accurate since my husband weighed himself and it was a pretty accurate reflection of what he thought he weight was since the last time he was weighed ( maybe a pound or two heavier but not much).
Aside for eating more fruit and consuming some alcohol (2-3 drinks per week) I feel like I am eating well. Maybe I need to get into a more rigorous fitness routine? I do yoga twice a week, walk everyday but perhaps I need more?
Advice please. I need to hear from folks with experience as to what advice you can give me. Thanks.
Hi IP friends. It has been a while. Last time I posted was in September. I had been on IP for about 24 weeks and I lost about 45 lbs. I had a busy and stressful fall with lots of travel and work changes as well as some person issues. That said, I stuck to program and went into maintenance in November after losing 59 pounds ( going from 205 to 155 lbs) I was on top of the world. After maintenance going through phase 3 and a few weeks of phase 4, I gained a few pounds and hovered around 158-162 depending on the day.
I made it through the Christmas holidays without binging, although I am sure I over indulged compared to how I was eating the six or so months prior. Once the holidays were over, I became vigilant about cutting out sugar totally from my diet and getting back on track with writing down what I eat and taking care to not over indulge in "complex" carbs. I am still consuming 8-10 glasses of water and lots of herbal tea every day, consuming no packaged food - except for my morning granola and greek yogurt.
All this said, I got a new scale today so I could keep an eye on my weight and body fat% and approximate BMI. When I got on the scale it read 168.2!!! I had seen the number go as high as 162 ( Dec 26 ) and haven't weighed myself since then ( haven't had access to a scale). I am feeling defeated and frustrated and embarrassed and frightened right now. I mean can I really gain that much weight in such a short period of time by eating healthy? Am I destined to be a life long carb watcher? I am feeling like I should just go right back to the first phase of the program and nip this in the bud. What are your thoughts?
I know the scale is pretty accurate since my husband weighed himself and it was a pretty accurate reflection of what he thought he weight was since the last time he was weighed ( maybe a pound or two heavier but not much).
Aside for eating more fruit and consuming some alcohol (2-3 drinks per week) I feel like I am eating well. Maybe I need to get into a more rigorous fitness routine? I do yoga twice a week, walk everyday but perhaps I need more?
Advice please. I need to hear from folks with experience as to what advice you can give me. Thanks.
Don't forget all the hormonal things we go through that our husbands don't, lol... that could be part of it. Also if you are having a little bit extra every day that will add up. Keeping it to one Funday or meal works a bit better (in my opinion anyhow). Alcohol may not have much in the way of carbs but that's the first thing our liver works on... leaving any carbs to be stored for another time (FAT!!! ). Just a heads up
Don't forget to measure - sometimes things get a bit more generous when we are eyeballing it after a while.
). Just a heads up 
