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09-12-2014, 07:13 AM
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#196
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IP Feb 2014, P4 Oct 15/14
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 764
S/C/G: 249/155/160
Height: 5'4"
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Originally Posted by shasta10
Hi all - I had to relate something that happened today. The lady that inspired me to start IP and who is still actively on the diet and losing (albeit slowly but she's lost over 50 pounds so far) came into our boss's office and picked up 3 pieces of candy (it happens to be the kind I LOVE) and ate them! I was, at the time, munching on a bag of raw peppers and cucumbers. I have been SO WORRIED about deviating at all hearing about being knocked out of ketosis and she ate CANDY! I guess I'll see how she does but when I get a chance I have to see if she's done that all along. She did tell me that she just uses regular salad dressing while I've been very diligent with the oil & vinegar only.
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I will never claim to be 100% but my "cheats" have not been carbs and would never be straight sugar. A little more oil, a couple extra ounces in my steak, not getting in all my veggies occasionally. Popping a few candies in your mouth can set you up for bad habits of mindless snacking in the future. IP is going to work best if you don't try to test it. I was falling off program in August when I got away with a couple handfuls of chips and then I started to have a few more tastes of off plan items. I made myself stop not so much because it would effect my loss that week but it would effect my ability to handle maintenance in the future.
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09-12-2014, 08:05 AM
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#197
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maintaining since 9/2013
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: CA
Posts: 1,958
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Originally Posted by ChipnDip
I will never claim to be 100% but my "cheats" have not been carbs and would never be straight sugar. A little more oil, a couple extra ounces in my steak, not getting in all my veggies occasionally. Popping a few candies in your mouth can set you up for bad habits of mindless snacking in the future. IP is going to work best if you don't try to test it. I was falling off program in August when I got away with a couple handfuls of chips and then I started to have a few more tastes of off plan items. I made myself stop not so much because it would effect my loss that week but it would effect my ability to handle maintenance in the future.
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This.
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09-12-2014, 08:11 AM
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#198
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,219
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shasta10
Hi all - I had to relate something that happened today. The lady that inspired me to start IP and who is still actively on the diet and losing (albeit slowly but she's lost over 50 pounds so far) came into our boss's office and picked up 3 pieces of candy (it happens to be the kind I LOVE) and ate them! I was, at the time, munching on a bag of raw peppers and cucumbers. I have been SO WORRIED about deviating at all hearing about being knocked out of ketosis and she ate CANDY! I guess I'll see how she does but when I get a chance I have to see if she's done that all along. She did tell me that she just uses regular salad dressing while I've been very diligent with the oil & vinegar only.
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You DID mention she is losing slowly. IP is designed to be quick. If you want slow, why choose IP?
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09-12-2014, 11:39 AM
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#199
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 783
S/C/G: 266/see ticker/140
Height: 5'5
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shasta10
Hi all - I had to relate something that happened today. The lady that inspired me to start IP and who is still actively on the diet and losing (albeit slowly but she's lost over 50 pounds so far) came into our boss's office and picked up 3 pieces of candy (it happens to be the kind I LOVE) and ate them! I was, at the time, munching on a bag of raw peppers and cucumbers. I have been SO WORRIED about deviating at all hearing about being knocked out of ketosis and she ate CANDY! I guess I'll see how she does but when I get a chance I have to see if she's done that all along. She did tell me that she just uses regular salad dressing while I've been very diligent with the oil & vinegar only.
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Please don't follow her example. This is YOUR journey, not hers. Why put in the effort/time/money if you aren't going to follow the program? You're just cheating yourself. You are doing good!! Keep on the straight and narrow path!!
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09-12-2014, 12:22 PM
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#200
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 3,446
S/C/G: 163/150/132
Height: 5'8" 173 cm 57 yrs old
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Originally Posted by Kellyc14
Please don't follow her example. This is YOUR journey, not hers. Why put in the effort/time/money if you aren't going to follow the program? You're just cheating yourself. You are doing good!! Keep on the straight and narrow path!!
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Definitely this! If we keep looking to what others eat as a reason for us to eat that too... how will we fare in maintenance? We don't need someone else's tacit permission as our excuse to give in & eat off plan. Don't cheat yourself! You can do this, and you will be moving on to a healthy and controlled maintenance plan before you know it! Those 'daily' unhealthy little habits are what got us in trouble in the first place. Time to relearn better habits Be strong, gurl!
Liana
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02-01-2015, 05:46 PM
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#201
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oneuh2
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: SC Lowcountry
Posts: 1,601
S/C/G: reboot 1/10/2023 238/175/160
Height: 5'4"
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Thanks for locating this thread for us, Lisa!
I don't think any of us want to promote cheating, cutting corners, or any efforts to be less than 100 percent -- - In my mind, this thread can be a safe place for those of us who strive to be 100 percent on program, but who encounter situations where human imperfections seem to take control -- maybe there was not enough planning ahead, or maybe some of that self sabotage got the better of us -- you know: that self talk that Judith Beck tries to help us overcome, or perhaps something out of the blue (totally unanticipated) contributes to create a situation with very limited options....
My latest such situation happened yesterday - I had a flat tire in lieu of lunch -- it really messed up my planned schedule and I lost a lot of time including the window when I normally would have had my lunch, at home, with all my foods available.
Then when I did regain control of my agenda for the rest of the day, it was late and I went into "brain ping pong" mode, trying to decide whether to keep eating until I got in all my packets, veggies and real protein, etc., or whether to write off lunch as a lost meal, or to eat all I could but keep it to reasonable quantities of food intake, even though I would leave something off the menu.... I did the best I could and got all 3 packets in... did not get all the veggies and water in. Far from 100% on program, but I did not make this situation an excuse to eat anything I should not have eaten (NSV)...
Does anyone think there something I could have done differently or should have done differently?
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02-01-2015, 10:49 PM
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#202
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Reboot 11 June 2018
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: El Paso, TX
Posts: 1,302
S/C/G: 262.8/226.0/160
Height: 5'6
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Cheryl, don't beat yourself up. You had an unexpected situation and did the best you could. You didn't cheat, you didn't go through a drive-thru and get fast food, you didn't panic. I think you did fine. I've been in the position of a seriously late lunch myself, and debated either missing the meal or just doubling up dinner instead. It's a choice ... you make it the best way you can as the situation crops up.
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02-02-2015, 07:46 AM
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#203
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Started IP 04/22/2013
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 2,943
S/C/G: 257/130/150
Height: 5"1 1/2' (almost)
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Originally Posted by oneuh2
Thanks for locating this thread for us, Lisa!
I don't think any of us want to promote cheating, cutting corners, or any efforts to be less than 100 percent -- - In my mind, this thread can be a safe place for those of us who strive to be 100 percent on program, but who encounter situations where human imperfections seem to take control -- maybe there was not enough planning ahead, or maybe some of that self sabotage got the better of us -- you know: that self talk that Judith Beck tries to help us overcome, or perhaps something out of the blue (totally unanticipated) contributes to create a situation with very limited options....
My latest such situation happened yesterday - I had a flat tire in lieu of lunch -- it really messed up my planned schedule and I lost a lot of time including the window when I normally would have had my lunch, at home, with all my foods available.
Then when I did regain control of my agenda for the rest of the day, it was late and I went into "brain ping pong" mode, trying to decide whether to keep eating until I got in all my packets, veggies and real protein, etc., or whether to write off lunch as a lost meal, or to eat all I could but keep it to reasonable quantities of food intake, even though I would leave something off the menu.... I did the best I could and got all 3 packets in... did not get all the veggies and water in. Far from 100% on program, but I did not make this situation an excuse to eat anything I should not have eaten (NSV)...
Does anyone think there something I could have done differently or should have done differently?
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You did just fine - congrats! You might try keeping emergency stashes of packets, bars or chips in your car, purse, etc. just for situations like this. Saved my behind more than once.
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02-02-2015, 11:40 AM
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#204
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Texas
Posts: 714
S/C/G: 319/180/176
Height: 5'8"
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I agree, sounds like you made lemonade out of lemons!
We had a day full of errands on Saturday, so I put some zucchini in my breakfast bread. And I tossed a bag of crisps in the car - turned out I needed them for a late lunch/snack. Then I ate some cucumbers when I got home, and moved on to regular dinner. So not textbook IP but I got in most of the required elements.
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02-02-2015, 07:06 PM
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#205
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Washington DC metro area
Posts: 240
S/C/G: 192/145/145
Height: 5'4
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Lisa - Thank you for finding this thread and bumping it! I am going on a trip and I spoke at length with my coach about whether I should phase off and how to do that. Since I wasn't ready to totally phase off (but I might have to switch to the diabetic alternative plan for health reasons), she actually told me that when she was on IP 5 years ago she drank wine and had no ill effects. She counciled me to have only 1 glass (not three) but she said for some people it doesn't affect them. Since I did Atkins in the past and had wine I know it didn't affect me.
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02-02-2015, 07:11 PM
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#206
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Washington DC metro area
Posts: 240
S/C/G: 192/145/145
Height: 5'4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oneuh2
Thanks for locating this thread for us, Lisa!
I don't think any of us want to promote cheating, cutting corners, or any efforts to be less than 100 percent -- - In my mind, this thread can be a safe place for those of us who strive to be 100 percent on program, but who encounter situations where human imperfections seem to take control -- maybe there was not enough planning ahead, or maybe some of that self sabotage got the better of us -- you know: that self talk that Judith Beck tries to help us overcome, or perhaps something out of the blue (totally unanticipated) contributes to create a situation with very limited options....
My latest such situation happened yesterday - I had a flat tire in lieu of lunch -- it really messed up my planned schedule and I lost a lot of time including the window when I normally would have had my lunch, at home, with all my foods available.
Then when I did regain control of my agenda for the rest of the day, it was late and I went into "brain ping pong" mode, trying to decide whether to keep eating until I got in all my packets, veggies and real protein, etc., or whether to write off lunch as a lost meal, or to eat all I could but keep it to reasonable quantities of food intake, even though I would leave something off the menu.... I did the best I could and got all 3 packets in... did not get all the veggies and water in. Far from 100% on program, but I did not make this situation an excuse to eat anything I should not have eaten (NSV)...
Does anyone think there something I could have done differently or should have done differently?
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I think your choice of eating the packets was the right one and if you didn't have your veggies handy then you really didn't have a choice. I have a stash of packets that I keep at the office and in my purse so I always have them handy. If you wanted to keep some veggies at the office just in case, I have grabbed snap peas in the past (I've found them in the pre-packaged aisle near the packaged lettuces.) and kept them at work all week. I've even done that with the pre-packaged lettuce and just left olive oil in my drawer!
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02-22-2015, 10:22 AM
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#207
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100% Committed
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 89
S/C/G: 205/173/110
Height: 5.0 feet
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Flexibility
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02-22-2015, 06:32 PM
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#208
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Reboot 11 June 2018
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: El Paso, TX
Posts: 1,302
S/C/G: 262.8/226.0/160
Height: 5'6
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Originally Posted by SweetRelease713
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I agree with this, and more. As I get closer to goal I want to know how far I can push my carbs, fats and calories within ketosis before I reach maintenance. While introducing foods that I want (and need) in my future meals may slow my losses now, I'd rather learn the effect they have BEFORE they cause me to gain.
Is it cheating? I personally call it "modification" to reintroduce healthy foods on a limited basis. I do my research on the food first to know how to fit it in with other planned meals for the day and I am careful to watch how the macros play out and what vitamins/minerals it is giving me, so it is just as much work as actually being 100% compliant.
I'm a "big picture" kind of person. I can't rule whole food groups out of my life forever, so I need to learn to moderate myself. Better now while IP limits the worst of any potential damage, than derail myself post-IP.
I also view it as my learning process. The advantage to adding them back in slowly in a limited fashion is that you see any adverse digestive reactions very quickly.
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02-22-2015, 07:09 PM
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#209
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oneuh2
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: SC Lowcountry
Posts: 1,601
S/C/G: reboot 1/10/2023 238/175/160
Height: 5'4"
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I think that any departures from being 100 percent OP need to take ketosis into account -- IP is not a program that will tolerate too much flipping in and out of ketosis without a serious decline in losses (in fact as many 'gains' as 'losses').
If you are going to just tread water over time, I have to conclude that it's better to find another weight loss approach rather than staying with IP.
Having said all that - I know I am not perfect, and there are days when I feel compelled to have an extra packet or even an extra IP bar.... and I feel glad that I have stepped outside the lines with an IP product or acceptable alternative, rather than going for a red velvet cupcake or some of my DH's high calorie snack items. (Have I mentioned that I am wife to Jack Spratt? At 5'10'', he struggles to keep from dropping below 125 lbs, so my kitchen is filled with lots of yummy stuff that I cannot eat.)
So, I appreciate this thread, too -- 100 percent is a brass ring I try for every day -- it's an admirable and smart goal. But there are days when I step outside the lines, but so far, I don't stray very far from the safety of the program.
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02-23-2015, 09:22 PM
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#210
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Washington DC metro area
Posts: 240
S/C/G: 192/145/145
Height: 5'4
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I also try to be 100% and really for my journey have been 100% and it works! Most of the time when I "cheated" I didn't even want to...this when I was at a restaurant, or a friend made me a special vegetable dish trying to stay on program but used the wrong oil or added sesame seeds. Really the biggest blatant cheat I had I got permission from my coach (I am a rules follower) and that was to have some wine. I am happy to report that for me it did not make me gain and I had a loss that week. But, when I made a stew this weekend that called for red wine in the sauce, I thought about it and then decided to leave out the red wine. When I have a choice I didn't see the need to cheat (and the stew was fantastic anyway!)
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