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Old 03-11-2014, 11:28 AM   #406
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Yes, I do believe the more we embrace joyful feelings of success the better decisions we will make for further potential losses. When you are happy and operating from a place of loving your body, the choices reflect that. Not deprivation but nourishment.

I bet that feels great to have people surprised by your hard work and dedication. I do find it interesting that once you are at a weight that you are comfortable at, like where you are now, you really feel good, confident, and like you have always been right where you are in terms of weight.

Today is day 6 of phase 3 and I am holding strong at 130. I did increase my almonds this morning and added a tiny bit extra of PB. I really have been experiencing hunger in the mornings so I figured it may put me over a bit on the fat but I felt like my body needed something more...plus I have heard (per my old coach) that its good fat and to not worry too much about it provided that its not out of control amounts.

I hope you all are having a great day today. Yesterday was 70 in Denver and around noon the snow will fly. I am wiped out from the time change and wanted to go home last night, eat, and then sleep but the bachelor was on. That dude was such a jerk! Worst ever!
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Hey Hey Everyone,

The last 10 days or so have been laced with frustration, tears, anger you name it (I was in a dark cloud!). I was absolutely diagnosed with Gestational Diabetes...here's my story (because I thought you'd be interested, if not ignore my ULTRA long post/vent! lol).

SO, I knew from personal history (I was pre-diabetic and on metformin before I lost weight) that I should take the GD test although I know I could have 'refused' it. So when it came back positive, I started monitoring my blood. I also grabbed some ketostix because I knew they would be concerned about ketones. In general my blood is within range abeit lower some days which is easily fixed. I took that into my GP (my regular one doesn't catch babies so I have a 'new' one that I just started to to see), he didn't really look at my numbers and said "we'll refer you to the diabetes specialist and the patient educaton (nurses/dietician)" AND he put me immediately on metformin, which shocked me a bit as my numbers are pretty low/normal. So the next day I was seeing the specialist and he actually said he didn't want me on metformin and questioned my numbers as they are "really good, I'm confused" then he questioned my monitor and we compared the readings of my blood, we were .01 of a number off (I'm using Canadian measurements here they are in mmol/l vice americans that measure g/mol. He then started questioning my diet and told me that veggies had no carbs (this is where I started to shut down because he was frustrating me and not listening...until this point I am showing no symptoms of GD other then the positive to my pancreas not knowing how to digest 75 grams of glucose, it didn't help that he was confused by my lack of symptoms and my numbers in comparison to the glucose test) and I could be "poisoning my baby with ketones so I will give you prescription for ketostix and want you to use them" to which I replied "actually I have them already and I tested last week three times and recieved 'negative' all three times. I felt incredibly talked down to and not listened too.

So the next day I went to patient education and the nurse made a little noise when I told her how much I've gained so far. I jumped on her fully knowing that I was going to have extra grains/potatoes etc pushed on to me. She took me to the dietican and told her in front of me (like I wasn't there), "she has a morbid fear of gaining weight and thinks carbs are evil please be careful how you talk to her about her weight". Then about 15 minutes into it the dietican asked me how much I weighed when I first got pregnant and how tall I was and queried if I knew how much according to my BMI I was recommended to gain and if the doctors had commented on it yet. I replied "I know exactly what the recommendation is but it doesn't take into consideration my biological make up or the fact that I've lost a significant amount of weight and now have a slower metabolism then someone who is my size that has never lost weight" (I forgot to add that the diabetic nurse could stand to lose at least 100 lbs - which I don't usually care about other peoples weight because I've 'been there done that' - but don't give me crap for my weight when you're over weight yourself...very difficult to handle). I also told the dietican to leave the Canada Food Guide in the drawer. They call all veggies (but corn) 'free veggies', my body has NEVER EVER considered anything free. Additionally they want you to eat 150-200 grams of carbs just from potatoes, rice, bread etc etc...whhhhaaattt??

So for 3 days I did what they wanted, I was eating ALL the time, I couldn't get my water in! My fingers swelled my toes swelled (I kept saying they feel like piggies), a breakfast that didn't effect my blood sugars on before I started eating the way they wanted now created a HUGE spike in my blood sugars (before I was within guidelines). I had such a massive spike that I cried while doing 2 mile walk with "walk at home", I cried the ENTIRE 2 miles. This was the same breakfast I had 2 weeks earlier that caused no spike. Now with all the added carbs around that meal caused such a significant spike that I was forced to walk at 7 am (while crying from frustration!). I felt like I was starting down the abyss of diabetes, that they were turning on a switch in me and no one was listening to me and how well I knew my own body. I kept seeing future blood pressure medication and a scheduled c-section due to a big baby (in my future). I was in a dark abyss for a few days that no one could talk me out of. I tracked one day of the food they wanted me to eat, I was well over 300 grams of carbs with veggies.

So yesterday after work I had an appointment to go back to my regular GP (who monitored me during Ideal Protein and told me how proud she was of me getting my health under control) I took all my blood levels before their eating and during their eating. She had said I could come back anytime in the next three months if I needed her (when I moved over to the baby catcher), so I reminded her she said that and said I needed some counselling and that no one was listening to me. It was at the end of the day (she squished me in), she put her pen down and sat back and let me talk for about 15 minutes if not longer (she didn't interupt). She reviewed my numbers and asked me what I ate and said I was eating very healthy and agreed that veggies had carbs and that I knew my body better then anyone else. She wants me above a certain level for mornings (easily acheived) and gave me permission to go back to what I was eating. She agreed that they were trying to put me in a standardized little box that I just didn't fit into. She said "they don't usually see someone who knows as much about their own body as you do". I said "what do I do if they freak over some of the lower numbers" she said "ignore them but continue monitoring your blood and ketones".

I'm SO incredibly relieved that someone LISTENED to me and gave me permission to listen to my own body. Don't get me wrong here, I eat carbs I'm just not going to eat 60 grams of starches with my supper. I may eat a smaller number and if my blood work is ok and there are no ketones in my urine then all the diabetic people need to back off!

I feel like a huge HUGE cloud has been lifted off my shoulders today, most definately a 'brighter' day. I honestly felt like I was having a mental war raged against me with "poisoning your baby" "morbid fear of gaining weight" "your baby needs good nutrition" "you think carbs are evil" "you've gained to much weight according to recommendations"

I've always ALWAYS knew a family doctor was important but not so much as now...seeing how she has supported me and given me permission to figure out my own body.
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Hello ipeeps! Long time no chat. So nice to see some familiar faces - big congrats, Ishbel!

So I've been away from the boards for a while, just slogging my way through life. I apologize in advance for the length of what I'm about to post - guess you could say I'm making up for lost time! But I sure could use your advice/perspective right now.

Since losing the weight I've taken up running and while I'm not doing marathons I have been running 5k races and signed up for my first 10k in May.

DH and I finished p1 March 2013 and have been maintaining well since then. We did a two month reboot from January 2014 to the end of February as we had some holiday weight we wanted to get rid of. I didn't respond as well on p1 as I have in the past for whatever reason, and never made it to where I wanted to be before I phased off. Which sucked, but I had to phase off since I have a 5k race this coming Sunday and needed at least two weeks to get back into the habit of running (my coach doesn't allow any cardio - so no running for me while on p1) if I wanted to be successful.

So last weekend I started p3 with the plan of doing an abbreviated version for a week or so, then I could move into p4 if I wanted to because I was going to be doing a good deal of exercise.

It's been 10 days now since I started p3 and in that time I'm now up 10lbs. Yeah. I knew that some was going to come back on - glycogen, etc - but this is getting crazy and very worrysome to me.

In the past 10 days I've exercised 8 of them. I've kept my net calorie intake around or under 1600 per day. This doesn't mean that I eat more just because I exercise but that's generally where I net out. I watch my carbs so I don't do anything too carb-y and I don't mix carbs and fats in the same meal (except breakfast but I'm doing bang on p3 breakfasts). I'm faithfully having p1 dinners. There was one day last week where I had a cookie at a year end celebration of my class but I own that - my choice and I expect and accept consequences. The scale has slowly been creeping up every single day, no matter what I do. When I saw my coach last Tuesday I was up about 5lbs from the week before which we kind of expected, glycostores etc. But I'm going to be up at least another 5lbs from then tonight. And I'm freaking out.

Saturday I allowed myself a 'free meal'. I'd been textbook all day - started with a spinning class, had my regular p3 breakfast afterwards, then a salad with protein for lunch. We were celebrating my dad's birthday and ordering in at my sister's place. I ordered a salad with chicken for dinner. Others in the family ordered Chinese. I had a small scoop of rice, a few noodles, and a piece of the lemon meringue pie I made my dad in lieu of birthday cake. It wasn't huge but it wasn't a sliver. Later that night I also had a bit of chocolate. So yes, not a perfect day but it was my free day and I enjoyed what I had without going completely off the rails which is kind of what I wanted to do but then I told myself I actually didn't. So that's good.

Sunday morning I was up 3.3 lbs which I totally expected. I went for a 5.4k run that morning, then the entire day I was 100% phase 1 which is what I know I need/have to do after a free meal in order to maintain. I was textbook p1 that day, got all my water in, etc.

The next morning that 3.3 was still there to the ounce. The scale didn't move at all. No change. I went back to p3 eating yesterday because my coach has advocated a single p1 day, not multiples, in maintenance. Again, yesterday was textbook. Breakfast as it should be, lunch with huge kale salad and chicken, p1 dinner and 3k on the treadmill. This morning? Up another .5. My head is about to explode.

Part of me knows/tells myself that this can't be fat. Can't be real. I know I didn't consume 10,000 calories over what I burned on Saturday so there's no way it could have converted to fat. BUT...I feel it. I see it on me. My stomach, the first place things come or go, is puffing out again. My clothes don't fit as well. I'm now running with an extra 10lbs I didn't have last week and it's harder when my training to prep for Sunday is supposed to be making things easier. I can't imagine that this is from putting on muscle weight - not possible to gain that much in a short period of time. Is some of it water weight from muscle repair? Sure, I'm willing to accept that. But 10lbs in 10 days when I'm behaving myself, making excellent choices and exercising makes me exceedingly scared for what my life will look like going forward. If this is what happens when I'm being very, very good, what happens if I slip? The weight is just piling back on.

My Fitbit, which syncs with myfitnesspal where I track my food intake, looks at my calories burned. It sends me a weekly update to show me my progress. It says that in the past week my caloric intake vs burn number is -7777 calories. Which means in the past week I should have lost at least 2lbs but I gained 5. How do I wrap my brain around that?

Apologies that my very first post back in a long time is so woe is me, but I'm nearing my wit's end. I have no clue what to do or how to proceed. Has anyone else experienced this when adding exercise back into the mix at the same time as carbs?

Anything you can think of that I might try? Appreciate any and all thoughts you may have. Thanks in advance!!
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Oh. Ishbel, sweetie! You've been through Medical practitioner he!!
I'm mad for you!

I totally know what it feels like to not be "heard" AND to deal with medical providers who think LC is the devil incarnate.

Usually the dietician will be the one 100 lbs overweight (really? and we're supposed to listen to them?) so I get that about the nurse. Geez. Sarcasm much? You stuck it out. I probably would have told them what I was thinking and LEFT, insisting on re-referral to a different diabetes doc. It makes me NUTS that they follow (in the US) American Diabetic Association guidelines which ensures all diabetics will need (at least) metformin, if not insulin. They are SO tied to the pharmaceutical companies that they just want one SOP for all. I really wish they knew (or would acknowledge) that type 2 can be CURED though appropriate diet.

Lots and lots of very healthy babies are born to women who do LC (these crazy people think its "no carb" when we don't eat sugar and starches!). Good for you for sticking to your guns and seeking out someone who was on your page!

I'm glad you feel better today.
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Ishbel, very happy that your GP listened to you - how maddening that they're trying to thrust these things down your throat! Actually seems like the opposite of what they're supposed to be doing if they're concerned about GD - aren't they supposed to get you to reduce your carb intake to keep your blood sugars in tight control? How frustrating.

Now, at least, you've tried it their way and you know how you react so forge ahead as you have been and just keep monitoring everything. Your sanity and general state of wellbeing is hugely important!

Glad today is a better day.
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Ishbel: This is amazing to me. I felt heart sick for you as I read your post. While I don't have any sage advice, as I am not qualified, I wanted to say how proud I am that you worked so hard to communicate your specific needs and knowledge to the doctors and that you followed up with your GP. This is such a great lesson to always be your own advocate. There is so much negativity towards low carb that I am very careful when i discuss it with my doctor. They seem to lump us all in one "category", as though we have bought into some carb hysteria.

This is definitely a time in your life to enjoy the experience of growing that precious little baby. I would think your OB/GYN would be sensitive to that. You definitely don't need the added stress this has caused you. How upsetting that you are expected to follow a plan that is actually more harmful than good. It is maddening how condescending some doctors can be!
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Ishbel: This is amazing to me. I felt heart sick for you as I read your post. While I don't have any sage advice, as I am not qualified, I wanted to say how proud I am that you worked so hard to communicate your specific needs and knowledge to the doctors and that you followed up with your GP. This is such a great lesson to always be your own advocate. There is so much negativity towards low carb that I am very careful when i discuss it with my doctor. They seem to lump us all in one "category", as though we have bought into some carb hysteria.

This is definitely a time in your life to enjoy the experience of growing that precious little baby. I would think your OB/GYN would be sensitive to that. You definitely don't need the added stress this has caused you. How upsetting that you are expected to follow a plan that is actually more harmful than good. It is maddening how condescending some doctors can be!
I would second all of this and add that i cannot believe the nurse went into the doctor and said, as if you weren't there, that you were afraid of carbs and gaining weight. Totally unprofessional, insensitive, and downright inappropriate. I hope you complain about her.
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Hi All!

Wow, Ishbel, so sorry to hear that those docs (and nurses) would not listen to you. But I'm glad that your GP spent the time to listen. You do know your own body by now. I think all of us who have been on IP protocol for a long time and then maintained the weight loss know our bodies quite well. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and surrounding you in a cushion of loving warmth.

Hi IPdivajen! Welcome back!

And now - I need to admit that I'm back on P1 for as long as it takes. I had 10 pounds sneak up on me. I still fit into my clothes, but they're not quite as comfortable as they were - and I want my summer clothes to look and feel great. So I decided it's time to go back and take care of this before it really gets out of hand.

It's exactly one year since I reached my goal. I then lost 5-7 more and was under my goal weight through the summer. So I'm back and will stay on it for as long as it takes.

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Ishbel, I'm so glad you persisted, and so sorry you had to go through what you did. Really mind-bggling that medical providers can be unprofessional and out-of-date. Thinking of you and sending you good wishes.

Welcome back Joysh! I know how easy those lbs can find their way back on, having gained 12 lbs over the holidays. Good for you for nipping it in the bud.

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IPdivajen, Sorry you are going through this, I know the feeling only too well especially the panic part. I read somewhere when we go on a very low calorie diet our body leans to function at that level. When the least little bit is added back the body latches on to it resulting in the gains.

The very best thing seems to be to really keep up the exercise which you are doing well.
I hope it works out for you are keep us updated.

Isbel, you must be in your last trimester now? So many changes in your body and the standard medical approach is to push the carbs. At least the weather is breaking which makes everything so much easier.
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Thanks for the support everyone,

I just needed permission to control it myself. Just like if I was eating too much carbs and sugars I needed to control it MYSELF. My doc gave me a number not to be over in the morning so when I took my sugars before bed I knew I'd be below that number in the morning so I had a quick nutritious snack (my second one). Then I told the VIP "I will have to have something with supper tomorrow to try to see if it elevates" and he actually looked at me "now your adding!?!" and I just said "ah! but the control has been given BACK to me and no one is pushing a specific # on me". I'm absolutely aware that my body needs carbs...I just don't think I fit into a box.

I agree that people think "low carb" is like some sort of pie in the sky that crazy people do. But I continually say "every diet works, just not every diet works for everyone!"...I have no urges for chocolate, I look at a kitkat bar and think "meh, don't miss you". I do want to try frozen yogurt one night to see what it will do to my sugars now...but because of the year on IP I can plan for it. I think IP made me think "what do you want" and learn to wait for it.

Growing a baby is another learning curve. I have friends that tell me "you do realize when baby comes you won't have as much time to focus on this" and I keep thinking "yeah but I think it's a habit so maybe I won't have to focus so much" THAT and I need to focus right now, at the end of the day I still have GD and I still want to be healthy and grow a healthy baby.

It actually occurred to me "this might be your first of many MANY parental choices you will make...get used to the judgement"

The people that like to use mummy guilt can take a hike though, ugh!
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Thanks for the support everyone,

I just needed permission to control it myself. Just like if I was eating too much carbs and sugars I needed to control it MYSELF. My doc gave me a number not to be over in the morning so when I took my sugars before bed I knew I'd be below that number in the morning so I had a quick nutritious snack (my second one). Then I told the VIP "I will have to have something with supper tomorrow to try to see if it elevates" and he actually looked at me "now your adding!?!" and I just said "ah! but the control has been given BACK to me and no one is pushing a specific # on me". I'm absolutely aware that my body needs carbs...I just don't think I fit into a box.

I agree that people think "low carb" is like some sort of pie in the sky that crazy people do. But I continually say "every diet works, just not every diet works for everyone!"...I have no urges for chocolate, I look at a kitkat bar and think "meh, don't miss you". I do want to try frozen yogurt one night to see what it will do to my sugars now...but because of the year on IP I can plan for it. I think IP made me think "what do you want" and learn to wait for it.

Growing a baby is another learning curve. I have friends that tell me "you do realize when baby comes you won't have as much time to focus on this" and I keep thinking "yeah but I think it's a habit so maybe I won't have to focus so much" THAT and I need to focus right now, at the end of the day I still have GD and I still want to be healthy and grow a healthy baby.

It actually occurred to me "this might be your first of many MANY parental choices you will make...get used to the judgement"

The people that like to use mummy guilt can take a hike though, ugh!
That is not true. Some of the years I ate the healthiest was when my kids were babies and toddlers. I wanted them to have a healthier relationship with food than I had and I wanted to encourage them to chose veggies and fruits over candy and junk. To this day they still as adults eat fairly well. When we were at the in-laws for New Years and I brought the veggie tray to survive it was me and my kids that ate them. No one on my husband's side did.
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That is not true. Some of the years I ate the healthiest was when my kids were babies and toddlers. I wanted them to have a healthier relationship with food than I had and I wanted to encourage them to chose veggies and fruits over candy and junk. To this day they still as adults eat fairly well. When we were at the in-laws for New Years and I brought the veggie tray to survive it was me and my kids that ate them. No one on my husband's side did.
Great point and exactly what I'm looking to do. Already my stepson ignores some of the treats (we still have treats for him) and will reach for the veggies when he's digging in the fridge. "I'm trying to eat healthy". He always recieved praise for that lol.
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Wow, Ishbel, so sorry to hear that those docs (and nurses) would not listen to you. But I'm glad that your GP spent the time to listen. You do know your own body by now. I think all of us who have been on IP protocol for a long time and then maintained the weight loss know our bodies quite well. Keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and surrounding you in a cushion of loving warmth.

Hi IPdivajen! Welcome back!

And now - I need to admit that I'm back on P1 for as long as it takes. I had 10 pounds sneak up on me. I still fit into my clothes, but they're not quite as comfortable as they were - and I want my summer clothes to look and feel great. So I decided it's time to go back and take care of this before it really gets out of hand.

It's exactly one year since I reached my goal. I then lost 5-7 more and was under my goal weight through the summer. So I'm back and will stay on it for as long as it takes.

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Hey joysh. I am just finishing a round of reboot and it took 30 days. I had about 5-6 creep on after maintaining for a while. I also lowered my goal to 130 because my goal of 135 (where my clothes fit and felt good) was just a bit too high. I noticed that with the 3-5lbs fluctuations that happen every month (or day given salt, TOM, exercise, the color of my shoes, etc) 135 was too close to 140 where I don't like to be and get freaked out at. I started phase 3 last Thursday and haven't gained any (and praying I don't too). It wasn't all that bad. I made it and it went by quickly. Even though its not the funnest, I do always find myself appreciative that I have the tools to go back to.

Good luck to you. There is a reboot thread where a lot of us chat each day. Please join if you want.
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Hey joysh. I am just finishing a round of reboot and it took 30 days. I had about 5-6 creep on after maintaining for a while. I also lowered my goal to 130 because my goal of 135 (where my clothes fit and felt good) was just a bit too high... Good luck to you. There is a reboot thread where a lot of us chat each day. Please join if you want.
Thanks so much for the words of encouragement, eandc! That really helps me put this in perspective.

I'm on Day 2 of my reboot. Not in ketosis yet, but I planned it correctly and should do just fine.

Yes, I'll also go on that thread.
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