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Old 11-21-2013, 08:53 AM   #16
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Hi everyone. I don't know if you remember me, but I've been on and off maintenance since 2/2013. I was about 15 lbs from my goal when I found out I was pregnant and I phased off quickly. I had a miscarriage but stayed on maintenance since we were actively trying. I had another miscarriage in May. Since then I have gained about 13 lbs in total from Feb. I have done a reset, lost 8lbs and and as soon as I hit maintenance again, I gain it back. I had a consult with an infertility specialist and all of my hormone levels are normal, so I don't have hypothyroid or PCOS. I basically eat a P3 breakfast and fat with lunch, carb with dinner. Snacks are fruit, low fat cheese sticks, turkey and Swiss roll ups, peanuts. My coach cannot figure out why I keep gaining and not staying within a range of 5 lbs. I also do a P1 day after a fun day, and I have made the fun day a fun meal instead of a whole day. I have slowly added back exercise, since I have had a back injury that only left me able to walk, slowly. I am playing tennis now and I've started back at the gym with light weights and 30 min of cardio 2-3 times per week.

I am so discouraged right now. I chose this diet and spent so much money on it because it had a great maintenance plan for long term. I feel like such a failure. I know some of this is portion control, and I do like to bake, and even though I don't eat the finished product, I do occasionally sample the batter. Is that enough to make me gain weight?

My coach thinks I am sensitive to carbs and should follow a mostly P3 plan with a fun meal once per week. That's my next step. I am not really happy about it, because I love my fruit and wish I didn't have to restrict it to once daily. I understand bread, potatoes and pasta being somewhat unhealthy, but fruit being restricted goes against my internal feelings lol.

Anyone else have or had this problem? How did you deal with it?
Your post really resonates with me. I am not a breakfast eater so I have a shake each morning. I generally stick to a P2 style of eating on maintenance. I seem to be ok with fats at lunch, which is mostly some cheese and a fattier salad dressing. I have had a couple of dinners with carbs (pasta) but for the most part I do my protein and veggies, like P1, but I don't measure. I also still have my daily snack. I have had fun meals, not really fun days, and follow up with a P1 or P2 day....which essentially seems to be the same thing. I am maintaining my losses so far. I know there are different types of carbs, but I really seem to do the worst with anything containing refined carbs. When I have had sweets I've tried to make them grain free and refined sugar free. Each time I didn't do that I immediately swelled up and bloated. I just know in my heart this is the way I have to eat from now on.

I am no expert, but the first thing I would eliminate is refined sugar and flour. See how it goes and then try some Paleo types of baked goods when you have a sweet tooth. 65x65 recommended a book about carbs that others have read and found very helpful. I just don't remember the name, but perhaps you can find it by doing a search.
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Old 11-21-2013, 11:11 AM   #17
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I am no expert, but the first thing I would eliminate is refined sugar and flour. See how it goes and then try some Paleo types of baked goods when you have a sweet tooth. 65x65 recommended a book about carbs that others have read and found very helpful. I just don't remember the name, but perhaps you can find it by doing a search.
Agreed! The book "The Art and Science of Low Carb Living" is great for helping us understand that some "healthy" things (grains, fruits, for example) may be "healthy" but not especially good for US, especially in larger amounts. Fruit once/day is not unrealistic. More often could cause insulin spikes in folks particularly sensitive. If you are struggling with weight, you may be one of those particularly sensitive folks.

My entire Pinterest is filled with paleo goodies and meals I've found. I have yet to make any. I'll make my low carb sugar-free//grain-free crustless pumpkin "pie" for Thanksgiving, although I'm thinking of making a smaller one so I don't have as many leftovers.

Another thought: are you using MFP or another tracking program? It can help you observe calorie/net carb content and see which adjustments are working.
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Old 11-21-2013, 12:16 PM   #18
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I have found that I can only do fruit and grains once per day. That's why I've stayed with the P3 big breakfast. For lunch and dinner it's mostly protein, veggies, and good fats. If I start snacking on GF grains or fruit, my weight starts going up.
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EPAPRN I'm so very VERY sorry about your miscarriages


You truly are NOT a failure, maintenance is a tough business. I'm extremely sensitve to carbs and usually only have two fruit a day with the grain carbs in the morning with a Ph3 breakfast (my fruit are morning and with my protein snack at night). Supper really is just meat and veggies almost 99% of the time. VIP generally only has a shake in the morning as he chooses to have popcorn more often then not and truely isn't a breakfast eater. I think the only reason that he has the shake is that I harp at him for "something in the morning to get the fire burning". I keep it generally to a fun meal once a week, at the beginning it was the whole day. Please please don't feel like a failure look at how far you've come.
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EPAPRN, I meant to add my sympathies to you on your recent miscarriages. I had two pregnancies end in miscarriages and it is a loss that is truly heartbreaking. There is nothing I can say but please know that I am so sorry you have had to go through this.
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Thank you everyone for your thoughts and advice. I'm going to try to stick with P3 in mIntenance and see where I go from there. I think the healthy fats once a day like avocado or cheese will be ok, I truly think it's the carbs.

Also - Ishbel - your pics are beautiful, congratulations on both your wedding and your pregnancy! Scotland is truly the most beautiful place I've ever been and you are lucky to have gone there also! Is your husband from Scotland?
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Epaprn. I was also so sorry to hear about your miscarriages.
This maintenance is difficult and especially if we have been overweight before.
I am like some others here. I only a fruit and grain in the morning and then stick with meats and veges the rest of the day. Once in awhile I might have a small carb. I hope you do well with your P3 and low carb eating.

Dak1lls: I did miss the recipe and found it! I love all of the herbs and spices. I am going to try it this weekend. I like having the dry mix to add to for a quick dressing. I think it would make a good marinade. Thanks.

Lisa32: Thanks for the input on the mockamole: I am going to try it..although our asparagus have been decreasing in flavor. I think it would be good for a P1 day. I wish I had known about it in my P1 losing days. That crustless pumpkin pie is a good one.

Becky: You are on your way to one year of maintenance. Great job!

This very cold weather is driving me indoors to the gym!!!
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As I progressed towards my goal I looked forward to my fun days, or fun meals. There were certain foods I was really excited to have again. Each time I have indulged in one of my prior favorite, and much anticipated foods, I have been disappointed that the taste of it was not what I have anticipated. Case in point; I used to have a Starbucks venti skinny vanilla latte several times per week. This morning I decided to have one....for the first time in over 6 months! What a surprise! It did not taste good. It actually tasted "odd" to me. These foods always provided such comfort and contentment to me. I placed so much importance on how good it felt to eat so many things, and now I don't even like them anymore....and I really don't like how they make me feel. Maybe I am placing too much importance on this revelation, but this feels like a real turning point for me. IP has provided many insights for me along the way.
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As I progressed towards my goal I looked forward to my fun days, or fun meals. There were certain foods I was really excited to have again. Each time I have indulged in one of my prior favorite, and much anticipated foods, I have been disappointed that the taste of it was not what I have anticipated. Case in point; I used to have a Starbucks venti skinny vanilla latte several times per week. This morning I decided to have one....for the first time in over 6 months! What a surprise! It did not taste good. It actually tasted "odd" to me. These foods always provided such comfort and contentment to me. I placed so much importance on how good it felt to eat so many things, and now I don't even like them anymore....and I really don't like how they make me feel. Maybe I am placing too much importance on this revelation, but this feels like a real turning point for me. IP has provided many insights for me along the way.
I've found my list of items I'd like to add back keeps shrinking.
I like the way I feel WITHOUT them way too much.
This is the stuff maintenance is made of & isn't it great when we're not resisting...we actually don't WANT it!

Some examples for me:
  • I still like cheese and will eat it "out" but don't trust myself to have it at home yet (previous binge food).
  • I love guacamole but the things you eat it with give me puffy hands/feet, which tells me that is an automatic inflammatory response. But I can have it on a salad (in place of dressing) or as a dipping sauce for other foods I might order (fajitas, for example, which I eat sans tortilla)
  • I like an occasional adult beverage. But I have to be REALLY careful b/c I don't have the tolerance I used to. I went for a HH last nite and had ONE glass of wine, which I set down several times so I could make it last. I like the hydrated feeling much better than the slightly dehydrated feeling.
  • Anything gluten/wheat containing also gives me that immediate hand/feet puffiness so I'm avoiding many convenience foods. I got the same reaction when I had some carefully-ordered Chinese last week, but I probably ate too much rice (for some things, my measuring cup will still be my friend).
  • I can feel blood sugar spikes with a few bites of something sweet so I'll remain mostly sugar-free, as well (had a couple of bites of DH's dessert when we ate out)
I REALLY like that my clothes still fit (some are actually loosening-up). People are still asking me if I'm losing. I am purposely not monitoring the scale right now. I'm giving it a few weeks to "adjust" for slightly higher carb levels. It will also give me a more accurate picture of how much more I'll want to drop in January, when I return to P1. My scale was all-over-the-place for a bit but it looked like I was settling around about 165. So, 15-20 is my expectation for January.
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I used to think that stuffing was one of my favorite foods. Last year I had one half a cup and decided it was not as good as I remembered.
I used to crave sugar foods and now rarely eat deserts or sweets. I really don't miss them.
I was a skinny vanilla latte fan also..but don't really want those anymore.

It is an interesting journey learning about changing tastes. I do plan on indulging in a maitai in Hawaii..we will see if it is as good as I remember it!
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I used to think that stuffing was one of my favorite foods. Last year I had one half a cup and decided it was not as good as I remembered.
I used to crave sugar foods and now rarely eat deserts or sweets. I really don't miss them.
I was a skinny vanilla latte fan also..but don't really want those anymore.

It is an interesting journey learning about changing tastes. I do plan on indulging in a maitai in Hawaii..we will see if it is as good as I remember it!
The Mai Tai sounds good! I had a beer with clamato juice and green olives the other night and it was pretty yummy.
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My husband and I LOVE craft (micro) beers. I've taken to just sampling his. I just can't justify the cals/carb in beer (or perhaps I'd rather eat!)

Other things are as good as I remember. I had a dirty martini last nite. Half would have been sufficient alcohol-tolerance-wise.

This week will be 3 days in a row of social events & deciding to having a drink (Th, fr, sat) + not micromanaging food intake (but not overindulging). I'll be matching that with 3 days of p1 (Sunday, Monday, Tuesday) before going back to my mostly p3 days.

I was talking with some friends last nite who have both lost & maintained. They said they eat VERY carefully Sun-Thurs & can be a little looser Fri & Sat (but not hog-wild binges). Keeping binge behavior in-check will be my biggest maintenance challenge. Some of that will be managed by not keeping preferred binge foods at home until I feel "safe" around them.
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Thank you everyone for your thoughts and advice. I'm going to try to stick with P3 in mIntenance and see where I go from there. I think the healthy fats once a day like avocado or cheese will be ok, I truly think it's the carbs.
I am sorry for the heartache you have gone through and then the back injury on top of that.

As for the regain questions, I too instantly started gaining in phase 3. For me it is no wheat ever, and I count the 2 pieces of fruit as my main carbs. Berries are the best choice for fruit as they have lots of fibre. I don't know why IP suggests the carbs at supper, I don't eat things like rice just to have an unnecessary carb.

I learned from the Art and Science of Low Carb Living that the body rebels with long time low cal, low carb and low fat. The thing that has to go up is healthy fats. To me that means a more liberal splash of olive oil, some almonds, but I do really have to watch myself with the nuts, the carbs in them add up pretty fast. The avocardo is an excellent choice.

I think many of us who turn to IP are super carb sensitive and have to work out maintenance to fit our particular metabolism.

For me it was a shock to come out of ketosis and realize how hungry I was going to be. I rapidly regained 10 pounds which I am slowly working off. It is slow but I have added some daily weight training. I wish I had read the Art and Science book earlier and realized I didn't have to be so hungry.

People who have no trouble with phase 3 seem to go on to maintain well. Those of us who start to gain at that phase need to figure out what long term plans will work better for us.

You are doing very well because you are keeping the regain at a lower number and working on it before it gets out of hand.

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Patns: Thanks for that reminder. I have been wanting to order that book and wrote the title down again. I agree with you that many people at IP are super carb sensitive and that is why it works so well. are you enjoying your new muscles from St? I really like seeing muscles on my arms for the first time in years.
Lisa: martinis are just as good as remembered! They are charging 15 dollars for a martini or a maitai in Hawaii. Yikes.

Dak1lls: I like beer also..but have never tried it with clamato juice and green olives. That sounds good. I did like your Italian dressing. It was great and now I can make more! Thanks.
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Congrats, Ishbel! I am so excited for you and your hubby! I missed the wedding photos - saw the posts yesterday, but no time to look at the photos, and can't find them now. I know you were a beautiful bride from the photos you posted right after the wedding.

Beck - congrats on becoming a grandma - welcome to the club. GKs are so much fun.

EPAPRN - sorry you are struggling. I remember you posting about miscarriages some time ago. Hugs!

I am coming up on my one year maintenance anniversary soon. A bit over my range now and trying to get back on track. It was relatively easy for quite a while, but I really got off track on vacation. Seems like the more carbs I have, the more I want... I was one that lost even through phase 3. I feel like my metabolism has slowed over time since starting maintenance. First 6 months or so, I was amazed at how many calories I could eat, but it seems like something has changed...
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