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Old 02-03-2013, 12:19 PM   #1
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I know that I've seen other threads on bad coaches, but I'm not finding them easily.

This is such a good diet, but I'm frustrated that we can't find a coach that fits our own personality. My coach is the wrong one for me. She doesn't seem to really listen to me, she always feels rushed, I don't feel like I can be honest with her (I know that I can't be honest with her - when I asked her about wine early on, her response was - I'm so glad you asked. If you have a glass of wine, you'll be immediately kicked out of the program.... way to make sure that I NEVER report it if I did have wine). She made me feel guilty about traveling for work (and once again, threatened to kick out out of the program if I can't weigh in in person, despite the fact that I told her in advance about the travel).

Last week was the final straw. I have a very challenging job. I've been having issues with small cheats. I don't want to have the small cheats, and want to find a way to get back in control. I was asking for small goals that we can work through to help me with that (be 100% for a day - the reward being the feeling of the control, and repeating the next day), and her response was great, and if you can't stay 100% on goal for the entire week, we need to transition you to phase two. Having that stick come from her, vs. come from me, just made me angry. I immediately went to McDonalds (and I don't even LIKE fast food). I felt like I had regressed into a teenager, acting out.

SO - now that I'm done being angry, I'm going to try to start up again. I sent her an email letting her know that I was not able to stick to 100% this week, that the stick was a trigger for me to overeat. My expectation is that she will either move me to phase two or kick me out (which seems so counter intuitive to me as a business model, but whatever). That said, while her plan for me is to move me out to phase two or to kick me out, I actually really want to be on this diet, and want to be on phase one. It's been working for me (other than me not liking my coach), I've been losing weight slowly but consistently, and I think that if I move to alternative products and start finding small goals (being 100% on plan day by day) I can do phase one successfully.

Has anyone had experience with being moved to phase two by the coach, but actually staying on phase one with alternative products? Should I just quit the program all together, and work my own program? Any good advice? Doing the program entirely on my own seems really scary, but perhaps I can do it now that I understand the program better.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:39 PM   #2
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You just answered your own question. You CAN do this without a coach now that you understand it better. The problem is, do you want to keep using IP foods and can you get them from her if you don't check in? Some places we've heard, are very strict. You cheat. You're out. It seems like "too tough love" to me but ....
I would think she would want your $$ for food. If she insists you go to phase 2, do it. It's only one pack difference, and lots of people still lose on phase 2. You'll save money on a pack It's up to you whether you like the accountability of checking in with someone. Lots of people on here have no coach and are successful. You have to know what works best for you. I could do this with no coach, but I've already paid her, and I like making myself accountable to go see her. Plus she does all the measurements etc. Do what works for you.
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That's really too bad MMMC. I am very lucky, with a good coach.

I would suggest that you read up on alternatives, and maybe go that route in a week or two, once you've done your research. And stick to the boards for the support that you need and deserve, which you obviously aren't getting with your coach.

Good luck with your decision.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:45 PM   #4
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Your coach sounds insensative but I'm not sure a sensative coach is really going to be able to help - they just might make you feel better about going off plan. Your coach might have lack of empathy but she is just holding you accountable to the protocol.

Unless someone only has a few lbs to lose what is most important with any dietary plan is long term compliance ultimately leading to a new way of eating. Because of it's heavily restrictive nature, the IP diet protocol is not for everyone. Some people can buckle down and stay on protocol for a long long time. Others find it much more challenging. It doesn't make one person better than another.

The IP diet is a PSMF diet. You don't lose fat fast on it because it has some magic products, or something special no other diet has. There are other PSMF plans that might be worth looking into that would better fit you. My personal favorite and the one I used to look the bulk of my weight is Rapid Fat Loss. You might find it easier to follow because it has built in breaks in the form of free meals and diet breaks.
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Old 02-03-2013, 02:13 PM   #5
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I definitely agree with John IP is not for everyone!
My Coach is great but she will let you know what is expected and if you are not willing to work the program she does not have a problem letting you know that you are wasting your time and hers.
She has coached clients in several different countries and states. She is very compassionate and nonsense and the same time.
I loved my Soda ..Coke ,had to give it up,that was part of the program.
I'm not sure if you would not be posting about her if she condoned your cheating.
There is no magical weight loss wand a Coach can tap us with that will make us be complaint with the program...we have free will.. The choice is ours we can be truthful to ourselves and coach and stay on the program or tell them that at this time this isn't working for me and I need to find something that is a better fit for me and my lifestyle.
I think your coach could appreciate your frankness with her.
Good luck and again not every program works for everyone does not mean you are not capable of working a different program.
I think of diets like shoes I might see some cute heels but I can't shove my wide duck feet into a shoe too narrow and expect to be comfortable!
Good luck,and I hope I did not offend you,just offering a different perspective.
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Old 02-03-2013, 03:35 PM   #6
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You sound a lot like me. Get yelled at, grab a burger and fries. Stress eater. Depression eater.

First, a coach that has no empathy is not going to help you with this because you will run from her office and eat bad food. This is not healthy, and like me, it might be what helped get you in this position in the first place.

YOU are more important than what that coach says, or how she says it. My experience with my coach has been very good, but I am trying to lose weight so I can safely go through open heart surgery. When I lost 30lbs and went back to the surgeon, only to have him say very bluntly (and meanly in my state of mind) "Not good enough. Lose 30 more" What do you think I did? I believe it was fried chicken that day.

So, number one, YOU need to change your mind set. Food is not going to solve the problem, and in fact is making it worse. I have (not that it was easy to do) adopted a "Screw you, watch this!" attitude about my weight loss and the doubters.

I have a lot of health issues that even on IP I'm not a 3lb a week loser. I'm thrilled when I reach 2lb a week, and pat myself on the back even if it's only 1 lb. It's difficult to stay totally on plan when the scale moves so slowly.

You can do this diet without a coach. If you want to use IP products, I found a website that carries all the IP products and doesn't charge shipping. www.plainprotein.com And the threads for alternative products is very good. I like Health Smart and a few Wonder Slim products. Syntrax Nectar is good too. (and all of these are considerably cheaper than IP)

The biggest reason I started IP was that I thought I needed to have someone to answer to each week. I would feel too ashamed to admit to being bad, therefore I wouldn't be bad. What I realize now that I'm on plan for almost 6 weeks, the urge to cheat is pretty much gone. What I know now is that I answer to my scale every single morning. I don't wait for my weigh ins because I'm too much of a control freak for that. I have a piece of paper taped to my bathroom wall and I record my weight on there daily. My family can see it, but no one else needs to.

I think what you need to do is try this on your own if your coach upsets you to the point of running to the nearest bad thing you can find and eating it. Use the IP products or the alternatives. Follow the IP plan that you got from your coach. I have taped my sheets to the kitchen cabinets, so I see them every time I'm in there. Especially the DO NOT EAT list.

And do remember, a glass of wine can send you OUT of ketosis, therefore you're only hurting yourself. McDonalds will send you out of ketosis, so you're only hurting yourself. You need to decide that the weight loss is more important than having that cheat. If you are not in ketosis, you are literally wasting your money. It takes 2-3 days for you to get back into ketosis after you fall out by having that one bad thing.

Don't give up on yourself. But moving on to a different way is not horrible. Find what works for you. Just remember. If you want to do this diet, no matter how you do it, if you only do it part way, it will not work.

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Old 02-03-2013, 04:03 PM   #7
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OMG! That is not a coach! That is Hitler!

You don't have to take her abuse! You can do the program on your own using alternatives or go look for a nicer coach in your area, she cannot be the only one!
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:17 PM   #8
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Wow, maybe we go the same center, but just don't know it. What you said reminds me of my coach, but I have learned to just deal with her. I don't like or dislike her, but I'm not crazy about her method of coaching! I don't really deal well with being made to feel like an idiot!
Grrrr...insensitive coaches really tick me off. At my center, if you cheat twice, they kick you out. That doesn't seem like a great business plan to me, but whatever. On weeks that I've had low losses, she really makes me feel like a total failure. She will scold me and question me closely to see what I might have done wrong, and I feel like a 2nd grader called to the princial's office. And it's always that I must have done something wrong, not that maybe my body is hanging on to the weight for that one week just because sometimes that happens.
You have to do what is best for you. Like John said, IP is not for everyone. Or you can stay with IP and just go it alone. It depends on whether or not you think you need the accountability. I won't say "need the motivation" because to me, your coach's attitude is NOT motivating or encouraging. I have stuck with my center, but I buy some alternative products, mainly due to cost. Now that you have a good understanding of the plan, maybe you could "go rogue" and just stick to it without a coach and find your internal motivation. This plan is not magic, coaches are not magic, it's just a matter of following the protocol and making the right decisions about your food choices.
Good luck to you, regardless of what approach you take or what plan you decide on!
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Old 02-03-2013, 04:39 PM   #9
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Default Coaching failures ... I originally posted these comments on another thread...

I see sadly from the previous posts, ...that the philosophy of how to help clients is also quite a bit variable, and possibly damaging. This plan's not perfect...and neither are we .... or anybody else!!!

How dare a coach intimidate or ridicule! Another of my opinions..

If this is their job...and they are guilty of the above..., they are facing a bigger failure of self than any cheating. Add that to the list of what needs to be watched for. A coaching failure ...



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Fairly new. Perspective.
This is long...and purely my experience and opinion.
BUT..I see a lot of variation in what we are being told. However; I know the main responsibility for success with this program lies with me. With that being said...I see gaps either in knowledge/training or ability of some coaches and perhaps some centers to dispense accurate guidance. And the center I go to has given me a decent number of issues for me to recognize some of what they are doing could be incorrect! Reading what some of the other IP participants on this site are being told...confirms this is not isolated. This is, after all a business ... to someone. It might be aligned with health care, but the products are expensive, the information on the IP site is guarded. Anything that makes money for someone else, opens a potential door for someone else's objective to overtake my own!

My coach has made mistakes calculating my total weight loss, and has made chart transcription errors. (All in only three weeks...)

Today I asked for a copy of my WI chart so I can make sure I agree with and can manage my numbers. Several fairly simple questions I have asked for clarification on, measuring vegetables..( she told me cooked)....and portion sizes for the animal protein...( she told me 4 whole eggs or 8 oz of animal protein....). Both of these done regularly would lead to more carbs and calories...and impact loss. Also I need Gluten Free packets, and was given incorrect info on that last week...I think she does not know what gluten is. Starting today, I tell her what I want ...and don't rely on her verifying the GF issue.

So far in three weeks I am at just under a 9 lb weight loss...so this works...but not because of consistent good coaching and help I've received.

A few things I've learned on my own involve:

1. Time taking thyroid meds. I was told by the coach soy "does not interfer with thyroid replacement meds.." Just google that...it sure does!! Since H20 intake on this diet is so high...I wake up between 2-3 AM and keep the thyroid meds by the sink and take my meds then. This was also suggested to me years ago by an endocrinologist...This is working for me....it relieved my feeling cold all the time. I feel sure the meds are working again. That of course also has jilted my metabolism. I lost 4 lbs this week, after a 2 week slow start. If I start to see backsliding...I'll head of to my internist for a TSH/thyroid panel to discuss if dosage should be adjusted while I am doing this. I don't want to add soy as a restriction just yet....If I can get through a few months with out having to do that I think it will be easier. Don't want to have to order anything else online. The simplicity of this program is what is attractive to me.

2. I am GF so the snack bars and restricted IP foods are NOT on my protocol. They are interestingly enough, higher in calories...so with in the week...I have a bit of wiggle room to ever so slightly boost my animal protein at dinner. If I am ravenous...and a boiled egg white or another 1/2 cucumber does not fix it...I am gingerly adding an extra ounce of chicken or what ever animal protein is my flavor of the day. As I said...I lost 4 lbs.... almost 2X what I'd lost the previous 2 weeks.

3. I retain water...some of us do. Some of the packets have way high sodium....!!! I am also restricting those myself to only a 2 packets during the entire week.

4. I've been 100% compliant ...when I verify it all on my own. Listening to the coach....well....

5. I plan to be on this for about 6 months...( going forward then with a lifetime adjustment to eating...) I feel like the lack of variation in what I can have will not be the end of me. This is an end to a means! And I am the master of that end.


So, I feel it's imperative to use our own intelligence and common sense...knowing what I am putting in my mouth...even if it is in an IP packet....is what is going to determine my success. At some point it will all come down to that anyway. A huge variable is everyone's metabolism and physical status are different. Unless we take responsibility or at least share understanding ourselves ...we are vulnerable to someone else's motives trumping our own. If anyone...even the coach tells me something that sounds tooooo good to be true...it probably is wrong.

This is a great program, but I see many people have found they can not give up control of the process to the company, coaches or center in order to meet their goal.
My opinion is also that the products and the theory of how this works is sound.....but buyer beware.

Again this is my opinion and based on my initial weeks experience.
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Definitely try going on your own with alternatives. They work fine and remove the stress of dealing with an incompatible coach.

Try that for a week or so; if you find you can't do it on your own then look for another coach.
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Thank you everyone for your feedback! I think what made me most frustrated was that I was clearly asking her for help to not cheat, in a way that I know that I will respond well to. Small goals, daily goals (of not cheating, of staying on plan) make more sense to me than just - never cheat. I've run plenty of marathons to know that I cannot run 26 miles... but I sure can run 10, and then 5 more, and then five more, than then can take on the rest one mile at a time.

This diet has been working for me. I've lost about 15 pounds (slowly, it's been about 5 weeks), and many inches. I LIKE this diet. The diet has changed the way that I eat. That said, I have decades of food issues to deal with, and I was hoping that I would have someone who would help me with them. I don't think they just go away over night.

I suspect that she will not let me buy food (which - totally don't get that business model), but I'm getting more excited about the alternatives.

It sucks - I would recommend this diet, but NOT the business model. I do wish that they would let me just buy the food online - which I would do, even though it's more expensive than the alternatives. I especially wish that I could pick my own coach.
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You can buy the food online. Go to plainprotein.com The prices are the same as most clinics. I don't know if you are in the US. I am in Canada so had to pay more for shipping but it is better to US addresses.

I found this company very good to deal with.
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This is a great program, but I see many people have found they can not give up control of the process to the company, coaches or center in order to meet their goal.
My opinion is also that the products and the theory of how this works is sound.....but buyer beware.

Again this is my opinion and based on my initial weeks experience.
I have to agree with this 100%

I have water retention issues, so I only eat the lower sodium choices. I'm a non-insulin diabetic, but my body cannot handle the restricted choices, so I don't eat them. I've also found other companies (other than IP foods, such as Health Smart) that have good protein foods with less carbs than IP, which is what this diabetic body needs.

I follow the sheet, only eat within what is allowed, (veg and meat) but I have had to make a lot of little changes to the "just do what we tell you" type plan.
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You can buy the food online. Go to plainprotein.com The prices are the same as most clinics. I don't know if you are in the US. I am in Canada so had to pay more for shipping but it is better to US addresses.

I found this company very good to deal with.
I am in Canada, but use a USA drop box, because I'm close to the border. I saved a little bit on the price of food compared to my coach's sales. AND within in the USA, it's free shipping and at least to Washington State, there's no tax, which I have to pay in Canada.

The shipment came within 1 week, and they seem to be a really good company. I will definitely order from them again.
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Thank you so much!!!! This is awesome
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