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Old 11-25-2010, 08:39 AM   #1
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It just blows me away that....

4-5 BEERS in one can and CAFFEINE! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!!

#1 ANYBODY would manufacture this type of product...knowing damn well the risk and possible harm to people

#2 PEOPLE are dumb enough to try it...stupid-stupid kids

#3 Our Government ALLOWS the sale of it ....thank goodness some states are catching on and not allowing sales

Don't know all that much about it but I bet the advertising "market" is kids...my under 21 year old nephew is one of those that would try it just to "SEE" how bad it is.....aaarrrghhhh!

Today, when I see him....I will put the fear of death in him to see if he ever has or has considered it!


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Old 11-25-2010, 09:33 AM   #2
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I know all too well about how dumb
people can be. I see it every day.

There were these kids at my school
once and they were bragging about
being high, smoking shrooms, and
other drugs.

I really do hope the government
does stop this and it's good that
some states are taking action.
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Do they not sell giant bottles of flavored vodka in your state? Red Bull? Kegs of beer? Kitchen knives that people could kill someone with?

Where is the line drawn?
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I've known people to go to a bar, have a couple red bulls and then have beer. What is the difference?
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Old 11-25-2010, 10:09 AM   #5
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I've known people to go to a bar, have a couple red bulls and then have beer. What is the difference?


I've been bartending for years and always wonderd why there is such an issue now. People drink liqueres/liquor in their coffee, all night sometimes, there's plenty of people that do that, have been doing that for years upon years upon years . . . no one seems to question that though. Seems odd.
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I've been bartending for years and always wonderd why there is such an issue now. People drink liqueres/liquor in their coffee, all night sometimes, there's plenty of people that do that, have been doing that for years upon years upon years . . . no one seems to question that though. Seems odd.
I *think* the only difference is if someone is too dumb/distracted to pay attention (or maybe they're the type that like to show off how much they can drink and still be standing), they could easily drink WAY too much. I mean, I know people who can put away 2-3 cans of monster, so I'm sure they could put away just as much of four loco.



I don't know though, I don't drink the stuff or know anyone that does (to my knowledge) so that's just a guess.
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Old 11-25-2010, 12:06 PM   #7
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Given all the ways people misuse and abuse alcohol, I guess I just don't get why this is such a big deal. It's also not new. Isn't rum and coke mixing caffeine and alcohol?

I do agree that the advertising targeting young adults is probably irresponsible.
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I don't drink alcohol, and I hardly drink coffee, so I'm not up to date on the risks of both.

And I definitely don't know the risks of the combination! Would someone mind breaking it down for me?
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I *think* the only difference is if someone is too dumb/distracted to pay attention (or maybe they're the type that like to show off how much they can drink and still be standing), they could easily drink WAY too much. I mean, I know people who can put away 2-3 cans of monster, so I'm sure they could put away just as much of four loco.



I don't know though, I don't drink the stuff or know anyone that does (to my knowledge) so that's just a guess.
That's what makes me shake my head, it's the excessive consumption of it. Heather, you have it right, rum and coke, rye, whiskey, coke, pepsi, mountain dew . . . there are a lot of caffeine/alcohol drinks no one bats an eyelash at.
I think it's the size more than anything that has people bothered, but even that surprises me in a day and age where the supersize, man vs food, xtreme eating contests have become the norm . . . . why this such a controversy? Perhaps it's the lack of education behind it, at least people are aware eating an 8lb burger isn't one bit healthy.

I still don't get it. Working, I'd be more inclined to give some one one of those than the people I see downing 6 shots of tequila in 30 minutes.
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You ladies are killin' me

I am out numbered so I will stand corrected.....

I guess it is logical to have 5 beers worth of alcohol in a 23 oz. can and market youth of America.....

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I don't drink alcohol, and I hardly drink coffee, so I'm not up to date on the risks of both.

And I definitely don't know the risks of the combination! Would someone mind breaking it down for me?
The caffeine overrides the natural sleepiness that happens when someone drinks alcohol. This delays the feeling of drunkenness so those drinking these are likely to keep drinking beyond their normal limits.
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Working, I'd be more inclined to give some one one of those than the people I see downing 6 shots of tequila in 30 minutes.
Why.... Still the same amount of booze.....

I am pretty sure the person downing 6 shots of tequila will be passing out quickly....

not true with the drinks under discussion....
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I think the link EZ provided does break it down. It highlights the dangers very well (it certainly opened my eyes).

To be honest, my first thought was "what's the big deal - how is it different than mixing caffeine and alcohol the old-fashioned way (rum and cokes, spiked coffee, and mixed drinks with Red Bull....)?


and then I read the article. These aren't like mixing a can of Red Bull with a shot of vodka - they're more like six of those mixed drinks, the equivalent of a six pack of beer and 3 Red Bulls (or 8 cans of cola).

To me, it seems like the biggest danger is people not realizing how much they consume. Which the article alludes to. What concerned me the most is the article stating that the combination is known to be so dangerous that no studies can be done.

Understanding human psychology, most people aren't going to realize that the can is equivalent to pounding half a dozen shots, and they're not going to feel the effects of the alcohol to realize it either (because the concentrated caffeine is over-riding the sleepiness and feelings of drunkeness that tends to be cues).

There really is no hard liquor in a can, so people are going to see them as not much more different than a beer or two (not as a six-pack-in-a-can). They're not going to see them as dangerous as they are.

I'm all for letting people take whatever personal risks they wish to, but it seems to me that the risks need to be better and more widely understood.

Because these drinks look so much like much safer products that have been around for a long time (sodas, energy drinks, even beer), people are going to see them as such. It's that false sense of security that is going to literally be a killer.
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I am out numbered so I will stand corrected.....

I guess it is logical to have 5 beers worth of alcohol in a 23 oz. can and market youth of America.....

Aren't there like 30 shots of alcohol in a bottle of booze? And 5 glasses of wine in a bottle. Still not getting the big deal. Kids are going to do stupid things regardless of what is marketed to them. This is just posturing by the govt to say "we are protecting kids." It's not going to stop anything.
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What concerned me the most is the article stating that the combination is known to be so dangerous that no studies can be done.
Now that is an incredibly scary thought! Too dangerous to be studied?!

I, too, was asking what the big deal was until you explained it so well, as you usually do.

The only way I drink coffee is with chocolate and Kahlua in it. The last one I had was in the 90s. I guess you can say that I'm not particularly into coffee.
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