MEAT vs. CARROTS

[EZMONEY]

That world sounds nice NELIE....but haven't we come too far to go back to what our ancestors had....

I imagine if we lived all alone on our own farms and raised our own veggies and animals for food...and shared with each other... then we would be living closer to what God intended.....

I just can't see the world as we know it going back to that...not saying that that is progress either!

[JulieJ08]

Originally Posted by EZMONEY

I didn't claim it...I just wondered the "what if"..

Yeah, that's why I said "one" and not "you" - but anyway, otherwise what's the point in asking?

Originally Posted by EZMONEY

The system is already drastically altered. How so?

Are you serious? Massive, disgusting factory farms, massive chemical and antibiotic pollution, massive corporations built on these systems providing cheap meat, a massive population that thinks it can't live without fast food.

Originally Posted by EZMONEY

Accomplishes nothing?...It got you excited didn't it?

No. Seriously, more like weary.

And BTW, I've always been puzzled by arguments that bring God into humans eating meat. Maybe my Christian upbringing was unusual, but do most Christians really believe the Garden of Eden was meant to include slaughter?

[EZMONEY]

Originally Posted by JulieJ08

Yeah, that's why I said "one" and not "you" - but anyway, otherwise what's the point in asking?

The same point as I had for starting the thread...I was curious to what some of the ideas were on becoming a vegetarian and related topics.



Are you serious? Massive, disgusting factory farms, massive chemical and antibiotic pollution, massive corporations built on these systems providing cheap meat, a massive population that thinks it can't live without fast food.

I wasn't sure what you meant by the words drastically altered...in reference to what exactly.



No. Seriously, more like weary.

Well good. It seemed that I got you riled up...wasn't trying to do that to anyone.

And BTW, I've always been puzzled by arguments that bring God into humans eating meat. Maybe my Christian upbringing was unusual, but do most Christians really believe the Garden of Eden was meant to include slaughter?

Well I can't say that I have ever heard anybody, Christian or not, approve of abuse of animals or the abuse of drugging them up. If you go back and read my posts I think you will see I mentioned several times that I am appalled at such things.

[willow650]

Originally Posted by JulieJ08

And BTW, I've always been puzzled by arguments that bring God into humans eating meat. Maybe my Christian upbringing was unusual, but do most Christians really believe the Garden of Eden was meant to include slaughter?

God sacrificed/slaughtered the first animal to clothe Adam and Eve. Although I am not sure if the first slaughter was in the garden or right after they were kicked out of the garden. I am pretty sure it was still in the Garden(would have to go back a reread that part).From Noah, on, God gave us "Everything that lives and moves" as food(3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything). Also the LORD ate with Abraham, meeat from a calf, milk and butter. Thats in Genesis 18.

From Romans Chapter 14
Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Peter was commanded by God to kill and eat the animals God presented before him (Acts 10:9-16). Paul instructed Christians to eat anything sold in the meat market without question (I Corinthians 10:25-26)

"But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer." (I Timothy 4:1-5)

It really bothers me when people assume what God may or may not have intended and base their belief on it, but doesn't research God's word to back it up. Take everything I have said with a grain of salt, but read God's word for yourself to know His intentions.

[JulieJ08]

Originally Posted by EZMONEY

Well I can't say that I have ever heard anybody, Christian or not, approve of abuse of animals or the abuse of drugging them up. If you go back and read my posts I think you will see I mentioned several times that I am appalled at such things.

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I wasn't suggesting that at all. I was commenting on several posts, in this thread and others, that God intended/created us to eat meat.

[JulieJ08]

Originally Posted by willow650

God sacrificed/slaughtered the first animal to clothe Adam and Eve. Although I am not sure if the first slaughter was in the garden or right after they were kicked out of the garden. I am pretty sure it was still in the Garden(would have to go back a reread that part).From Noah, on, God gave us "Everything that lives and moves" as food(3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything).

That is my point. That was after the sin. It's a compromise. It's not what we were created to eat in the first place.

Originally Posted by willow650

It really bothers me when people assume what God may or may not have intended and base their belief on it, but doesn't research God's word to back it up. Take everything I have said with a grain of salt, but read God's word for yourself to know His intentions.

Don't worry. It's quite likely I've attended more parochial school than anyone here.

[willow650]

Originally Posted by JulieJ08

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I wasn't suggesting that at all. I was commenting on several posts, in this thread and others, that God intended/created us to eat meat.

Whether He created us to or not is neither here nor there, fact is, He gave us permission to do so. I also believe that the meat back during that stage of history is not the same as what we consume today. And by that, I mean the way it is raised, fed and treated, not type of animal

[JulieJ08]

Originally Posted by willow650

Whether He created us to or not is neither here nor there, fact is, He gave us permission to do so.

That doesn't make sense. It *is* relevant if people say we were created to eat meat. Having permission to do so is an entirely different statement than being created, physiologically, to be healthiest by eating meat. I'm talking about health not sin.

[willow650]

Originally Posted by JulieJ08

That is my point. That was after the sin. It's a compromise. It's not what we were created to eat in the first place.

He didnt have to give us permission, He chose to.

Don't worry. It's quite likely I've attended more parochial school than anyone here.

Did you actually read God's word for yourself? If so, maybe try again?

[willow650]

Originally Posted by JulieJ08

That doesn't make sense. It *is* relevant if people say we were created to eat meat. Having permission to do so is an entirely different statement than being created, physiologically, to be healthiest by eating meat. I'm talking about health not sin.

But if it was harmful to the the body(Gods Temple) then he wouldn't have told us we can do it, especially in times before Christ, under the law.

[JulieJ08]

Originally Posted by willow650

But if it was harmful to the the body(Gods Temple) then he wouldn't have told us we can do it, especially in times before Christ, under the law.

That's one interpretation. Another is that it is a compromise due to the damage already done to the system.

I really don't care if you eat meat or consider it "allowed" or whatever. All I asked is if people (in this case Christians) really believe we were actually originally designed to eat meat. I don't get that reasoning, and therefore asked about it. What happened "after" is what is "neither here nor there" in regards to that question.

[willow650]

Originally Posted by JulieJ08

That's one interpretation. Another is that it is a compromise due to the damage already done to the system.

its not just an 'interpretation' its God's own actual words. Like I said, please find a bible and read them for yourself

[JulieJ08]

Originally Posted by willow650

its not just an 'interpretation' its God's own actual words. Like I said, please find a bible and read them for yourself

I have already said why that is not the case. And you're being condescending. It's not helpful. I have read. It's not very impressive to assume that if someone disagrees with you they have not read.

[willow650]

Originally Posted by JulieJ08

All I asked is if people (in this case Christians) really believe we were actually originally designed to eat meat.

Since God sees everything from the beginning to the end, He knew we were going to, He knew He was going to give us permission, He made our bodies able to digest it, so maybe he did design us from the beginning to be able to eat meat.

[willow650]

Originally Posted by JulieJ08

I have already said why that is not the case. And you're being condescending. It's not helpful. I have read. It's not very impressive to assume that if someone disagrees with you they have not read.

But you are not disagreeing with me, you are disagreeing with Scripture, Gods words, not mine. My only suggestion is to just read and learn for your self what Gods words really say.