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Old 07-11-2005, 02:47 AM   #1  
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Is it true that some foods take more calories to digest than they have in them? If so, does anyone know of a list of these foods? Thanks,

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Old 07-11-2005, 04:13 AM   #2  
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Opps, I didn't know someone had already made a thread about this! Appreciated the links in that thread. I'm going to add some that I just found, in case anyone else is interested.

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It is a given these days, that it is difficult to find foods that contain a sufficient amount of vitamins & minerals to alone break down their own “host” caloric nutrients (purely natural food). This situation can be attributed to nutrient robbing pesticide application, processing, the use of preservatives, and various commonly used poor cooking practices.

Surprisingly, in the case of the negative calorie foods in question not only do they contain sufficient vitamins & minerals to break down the host calories there is actually a surplus of these enzyme producing biochemicals. This simply means that once ingested these “negative calories” foods provide for enzyme production in quantities sufficient to break down not only its own host calories, but possibly additional calories present in digestion as well.

Is this discovery truly a tremendous breakthrough? Not really. Unless of course research is performed confirming that these surplus enzymes produced in digestion are in some way transported into the bloodstream. As likely as this enzyme transport would seem, until now there has been no real evidence to support this conclusion.

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According to a recent study performed by Dr. Dean Ornish, M.D., of the University of California, at San Francisco, a vegetarian diet consisting mostly of fruits and vegetables, was adhered to by research subjects as an experimental study on the reversal of heart disease. As a result each of the research subjects (all suffering from heart disease), lost an average of 20 pounds without cutting calories or limiting serving sizes.

In light of the fact that these subjects were 40 years and older (with relatively slowed metabolisms) and the research performed involved no prescribed exercise program, this constitutes a dramatic weight loss that could only be attributed to the consumption of various fruits & vegetables.
And I guess I will go through this stuff tomorrow..

http://my.webmd.com/search/search_re...&go.x=0&go.y=0

I like webmd and trust it to be a good source. I looked up the doctor from the university of CA and he has his own little page on webMD..

http://my.webmd.com/content/pages/9/3068_9408.htm

I'll be checking out what that's all about tomorrow, too. Right now I am too tired to concentrate anymore!
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Old 07-11-2005, 02:39 PM   #3  
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No - there is no such thing as a 'negative calorie food'.

I googled the term 'negative calorie food' and ended up with a ton of advertising and spam type links - selling ebooks, etc for their 'negative calorie diet'.

Hoo boy...

...the thing is, this is not a new 'concept', if that term can be used for fad diets. The "Grapefruit Diet" which basically claimed the same thing - that grapefruit had some sort of 'fat burning enzyme' or what have you and that all you had to do was add grapefruit to your diet and the fat would just melt off - is the same concept.

I put the "Negative calorie" food myth in the same trash bin as "drinking ice cold water burns calories" or "eating hot/spicy foods will burn fat". None of which are true, or even if they DO burn calories, not enough to make a big difference.

I found this Q&A that pretty much sums it up IMO (check out the last paragraph):

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Q: I keep hearing about negative calorie foods such as celery. Can foods really have negative calories… is there any truth to this?

A: What marketers actually mean when they claim a food has negative calories is that the body burns more calories processing it than the food actually contains. The energy required to digest, absorb and utilize the nutrients in food is called the thermic effect of food (TEF). However, there is no scientific proof that certain foods utilize more calories than they contain. To my knowledge, whatever calculations, if any, that have been used to determine these claims have not been obtained through reliable research and published in peer-reviewed journals. From a physiological standpoint, our bodies are extremely efficient at utilizing the calories contained in food, typically spending only 5 – 35% of the calories contained in foods for processing (TEF), with protein producing a higher TEF than carbohydrate. Thank goodness for this incredible efficiency or we, as a species might not be here today!

The lack of research in this area is probably due to:

1) The unlikelihood that our bodies would be so inefficient as to burn more calories digesting a food than it contains. Research takes time and money; therefore, researchers only tend to pursue hypotheses that are worthwhile.

2) The number of calories that we’re talking about here is extremely small. For instance, based on past research concerning the TEF of foods, the body may spend about .5 to 3 calories digesting a stalk of celery. This amount of energy is almost impossible to identify through the measurement of basal metabolic rate (the method in which TEF is obtained). Subjects would have to eat an enormous amount of celery to obtain numbers large enough to allow accurate measurement.

Given the fact that the number of calories in question is extremely small, we should touch on the relative impact that these claims would have on weight loss, even if these foods did burn more calories than contained. In a nutshell – the impact would be insignificant. The percentage of calories in a stalk of celery, whether positive or negative, relative to the whole days caloric intake is approximately 0.005 %. For example, let’s postulate that instead of a stalk of celery providing 10 calories, it actually burned 10 calories – a 100% reversal – extremely unlikely! Even so, you would have to actually eat 350 stalks of celery to lose 1 lb. I don’t call that eating for health, eating for enjoyment or eating to lose weight – I call that insane! It is much more effective and easy to manipulate calorie deficits by adjusting total calories ingested and total calories utilized through exercise.

Having said that, most of the foods that I’ve seen listed on “negative calorie food” lists are actually quite healthy, nutrient rich and filled with fiber (celery, carrots, lettuce, broccoli, onions, cabbage, etc.). Therefore, eating these types of foods are highly encouraged. However, incorporate them into your diet in a balanced and reasonable way. Remember, a healthy diet should be nutrient rich, balanced, enjoyable and sustainable over a lifetime.

It’s in our nature to seek out that magical pill or miracle diet to make it all so easy. However, I hope that the provided explanation revealed the unlikely nature that these claims have any validity or significance to actual weight loss or maintenance. If people have been successful using this “negative calorie” diet, it is most likely due to decreasing their total caloric input by replacing high calorie foods with low calorie foods and increasing satiety by eating low-energy dense foods.
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Great reply, MrsJim I cringe every time I see the reference to negative calories. It's all wishful thinking. The foods on the lists ARE low in calories and high in other types of nutrition, so we should all eat more fruits and vegetables. But the idea that they can burn more calories just by eating them is a joke. The way I understand it, foods such as celery contain so few calories that you may well burn an extra calorie or two by eating them, but you would have to eat nonstop, massive quantities to gain any benefit. You should plant celery in your yard instead of grass

Melissa, I also trust WebMD and refer to them frequently. But there is nothing on their website to support negative calories. That search term just showed results that included the words negative and/or calories, but not "negative calories". Plus Dean Ornish is a well respected cardiologist and I've followed some of his advice for years, but his plan is most definitely not related to the negative calorie myth. It is very restrictive in fats and calories, and that is what causes the weight loss.

I agree with MrsJim that the negative calorie idea is just another spammy gimmicky fad diet and should be avoided, like the cabbage soup diet. However, eating fruits and vegeables are always going to be recommended for any diet because they are full of nutrients and don't pack a lot of calories.


But like many old diet fad ideas, the myth will continue to perpetuate, and the glimmer of hope that we all have that leads us to buy informercial junk in the middle of the night, or believe that our philandering boyfriends really will change, will also keep fad diets on the tips of our tongues and keep us from ever realizing long term weight loss success.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox for now
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The negative calorie diets are simply low calorie diets. Anytime you eat a good portion of fibrous green veg you are doing yourself a favor - high in fiber and low in cals. However there are plenty of people who are "believers" in the negative calorie concept. I think it's probably nonsense.
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Well, I read the Abs Diet Book, and although there is no such thing as a negative calorie food, the author provides a different way of looking at it. Your Basal Metabolic Rate is how many calories your body burns breaking down the food you eat, which is far more than any calories you could burn by walking or jogging. There are certain foods that are harder for your body to digest, and therefore up your BMR. He talks about power foods that are good for this. If this type of eating approach interests you (and exercise) I highly recommend the Abs Diet book.
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Well, I read the Abs Diet Book, and although there is no such thing as a negative calorie food, the author provides a different way of looking at it. Your Basal Metabolic Rate is how many calories your body burns breaking down the food you eat, which is far more than any calories you could burn by walking or jogging. There are certain foods that are harder for your body to digest, and therefore up your BMR. He talks about power foods that are good for this. If this type of eating approach interests you (and exercise) I highly recommend the Abs Diet book.
Yeah, I realize that there is no such thing as foods that are actually negative calories... but I was intrigued by the idea of foods that you could eat that would help your metabolism. I just got a bunch of the so-called negative calorie foods to eat (along with some other things, like slim fast and lean quizines). I really think this will help me lose weight just because the foods are so much healthier for me than all that other stuff I have been eating. I guess we shall see!

Who is the author of that book, btw?
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David Zinczeco or something like that. The book is called "The Abs Diet". It seems like you are on your way with the good choices.

Good luck!
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