Carol sue, its really hard to pay that much for a buffet and not overeat. I try to keep to high quality high protein foods, (roast beef, seafood, etc) and avoid the carbs and desserts, go high on the salads and veggies. We go to Mandarin from time to time, and its easy to do there. But I have to not even go near the dessert tables.
Trish, be patient, and look at what you are actually eating, all the eating out can sabotage any way of eating pretty fast. Like Carol says, get rid of the buns and fries or other starches, keep then to a minimum.
I found that even the small amounts of starches (one slice of toast, 1 cup of rice) kept me from losing this week. I am stable, so apparently I can handle those small amounts and maintain, but not lose. Don't blame yourself, but find ways to eat out that make sense for you and keep those carbs at bay.
May not be back for a few days, wedding tonight and seeing Dad tomorrow. have a good weekend
Carol Sue and fatmad Thanks for the encouraging words. I will keep doing what I normally do and cut back on the carbs, but not get rid of them. The small amount of carbs seems to work very well for me. My legs are really swelled so I really think it is caused from the sodium. I'll drink plenty of water and fluids and see if it will flush the sodium out.
Today will be cooking at home. I usually get something and bring it home, but since we have had so much of fast food this week, I decided to cook. We need a healthier meal instead. I will be cooking all weekend. DS and I go to a baby shower tomorrow, but those are usually so busy with that family that no one will notice if I don't eat something. I did really good at the birthday party I went to for my little great nephew that they gave a few months ago.
I did have the taquito with bacon and no cheese this morning. I'm cooking cod fish for lunch with a salad and a veggie. I have leftover chicken in the fridge that I will make a chicken salad for an evening meal. I think I'm going to work at spreading the food out over the day better. May only use the protein shake I bought only for emergencies. I want to work at keeping my calories around 1200 to 1300 calories. Not sure about the JUDDD although it did seem to help. I just need a good routine with it.
You girls have fun... Carol Sue at the Casino and fatmad enjoy the wedding and your time with your Dad.
Y'all have a great weekend.
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Well, we were not successful at the casino. Saturday is usually a better day for it, but DH has something else to do tomorrow. We did eat the buffet. I ate a lot, so I can't say I didn't overeat, but I had mostly protein. They had some fresh broccoli that was really good, cooked, but still a little crunchy. And I ate some mac and cheese. Their mac and cheese is so good that I didn't want to miss it completely. I did not visit the dessert table though. I would rather do a second pass through the buffet instead of eating those sweets.
I always take something to read with me when we go on a road trip, and this time I chose The End of Diabetes, by Dr Joel Fuhrman. I have decided to go back to eating lots of veggies like I was doing after I first read his book. After reading it again today, I am psyched. I don't plan on following his plan to the letter because he recommends no animal protein, including eggs, and dairy. I don't see myself giving up those things, although I may cut back. If I'm not losing, I will reevaluate.
Weight is up which I'm sure is mostly sodium from the fast food I've eaten and FBS was up and I think that just means that I cannot eat a snack in the evening.
Carol Sue I know that I cannot and will not ever give up animal protein, dairy or eggs so Dr. Fuhrman's diet would never work for me. However, you mentioning his book caused me to remember the book I have by Dr. Julian Whitaker titled Reversing Diabetes. I won't follow his 100% either because he recommends 60% carbs, 20% fat and 20% protein. However, although he allows some starchy carbs at each meal, when he says 60% they are mostly from non-starchy veggies and fruit. So I guess the 60% carbs isn't all that bad if it is non-starchy veggies and limited fruits.
He does not recommend eating margarine because he says it has other bad fat we should not eat. He also recommends eating some protein in each meal. He has a list of some of the foods which help diabetes more than other. Such as fish and poultry is better than other meat which we know. Avocado is a good fat etc. Dairy that is good for diabetics is FF unsweetened yogurt, FF milk and FF cottage cheese. Eggs are fine to eat. However, he has a recipe for tacos made with beef. So there is room for it all. I noticed the sweetener he recommends is Stevia.
Saying all that, I am not giving up. I know why things are up this week. I found it interesting that Dr. Whitaker's diet plan is similar to the plan I was on in the hospital and the one I got from the doctor I first had after moving here. It is pretty similar to what I was doing when I went to see the dietitian. So I had an off week and I paid for it. Today, I am back OP. The good thing is that I have done 6 days of exercise for a total of 150 minutes for the week. I met the goal I set for the exercise. That doesn't count the exercise from walking in stores and the other things I've actively done this past week. Perhaps that is going to work in my favor as I've never done a lot of exercise before getting on a routine of eating.
I don't know if I will be doing JUDDD or not. The goal I have is to get my calories between 1100 to 1400 a day. If I can do that, I believe the rest will follow.
DS and I decided not to go to the baby shower because it is from 2 - 4 right when it is the hottest here in TX and they are having it outside. There is no way we could do the heat. Plus I'm not familiar with where her mother lives where they are having it, so I didn't want to get lost over there by myself. This means that I am able to be OP today. I had cereal for breakfast, but no protein and I'm feeling hungry, so I won't do it that way any more. I think the protein is important. In the hospital, they gave me milk, cereal, toast, egg and bacon and a banana. I had cereal, banana and milk w/o the egg, toast and bacon. I did it because my fbs was high enough that I didn't think I needed it.
I'm going to go back to planning my daily menu on MFP in advance. I have mine planned for today and looks like it could be a DD because the calories are less than 1100. My goal isn't going to always be JUDDD, but I would like to keep more days under 1200 than not. I really have to watch the sodium. I've always tried to eat to prevent cancer, but I realize from the swelling I'm having that I need to really eat to prevent heart disease too. I am still pretty healthy for my age and I need to work at keeping it that way.
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Trish, I am wondering about the "Margarine" that is not recommended by Dr Whitaker. Originally, margarine contained trans fat, which is very bad fat. I don't think it is allowed to be used anymore, and I think that they are now called spreads, not margarine. There are spreads out there that are formulated with plant sterols and stenols that are considered to be heart healthy. I was using one of them, but it was discontinued and I didn't like the other ones. I now use regular butter for cooking, and butter with canola oil for spreading, because it is soft and spreadable. The only thing I know is that my cookies don't turn out as good since they stopped allowing trans fats in margarine. LOL Cookies are not meant to be healthy.
Dr Fuhrman said that animal protein is known to cause inflammation, which is bad, and kidney damage and is bad for diabetics, who's kidneys can be compromised by the disease. Vegetable protein does not do that. Even with reading that, I am not going to give it up completely. I've lived to 71 eating it and DH has lived to 74 eating it. My doctor checks my kidney function regularly and has not seen any problem. I think you can find someone on the internet who will tell you a reason for not eating anything...you just have to decide for yourself who to believe and who not to believe and hope you make the right decision for your health. My DH gets a lot of kidney pain. He will not go to the doctor and get it checked, so who knows what is causing it. I just hope and pray that it isn't anything serious, but it's his life and he has to make his own decisions. I know for myself that I get bad side effects from eating fatty/greasy foods like sausage. i can eat healthy fat like salmon and avocado with no problem. But i get acid reflux from greasy foods and I think some of my bathroom issues can be blamed on fat, also.
As far as eating additional vegetables is concerned, they don't spike my blood sugar, even the starchy ones like corn or carrots. After eating the vegetables for a while I noticed some improvements. For one thing, I stopped craving sweets. That was such a big plus for me. The other thing was my nails started to grow and strengthen. I have never had nice nails in my life. The first thing I noticed was that my toe nails were growing so fast. I had to keep cutting them. Then I noticed it with my finger nails. I figure if things like the improvement in my fingernails is so noticeable, then I can assume there are other improvements in my body inside that I cannot see. Dr Fuhrman also says you should never eat any fish, or any eggs. Two things I will not be giving up. So I can't say I'm following his plan, but the things he says about vegetables impress me enough to go back to eating them in larger quantities.
I actually did have a good day today. So I feel like I'm doing good things.
l Carol Sue There has to be something to adding more non-starchy veggies as well as fruit. I thought about how WW feels it is so important that many of them are freebies on their plan. Actually some how it is included in the count although no one on the new plan has to count them in their allotted points. I've heard that those doing it are losing when they couldn't lose on the other plans.
I decided to use the same % of protein, fat and carbs that Dr. Whitaker recommends and I didn't change a thing, but where it said my weight loss in 5 weeks would have been 200 before I changed it. It actually showed that I would be under 200 if I ate that way for the next 5 weeks. How could eating a larger % of carbs do that other than the fact that it is more veggies than not.
As for the margarine, I wonder if Dr. Whitaker has changed that since the book was published in 2001. Lot of new info has changed since then. He has a new book on kindle written in 2010, but it is 19.95 and I'm not sure I want to buy another book. It is titled The Truth about Diabetes and How to Reverse. I'm not sure I need to know any other truths about diabetes. I think we got a lot from Dr. Fung.
Hi Friends:
the wedding was really lovely, and I did pretty well. I allowed myself some treats, including carbs like a slice of home made bread, a butter tart, a sausage roll and a piece of apple pie with ice cream. Also had other stuff, (like 2 glasses of wine) but danced to work some of it off.
Yesterday, visited with Dad and kept the intake low, and low carb. Today will be very careful of total food and calories.
I know from experience that this will be the hardest time. Having those carbs will keep me craving for a couple of days, but getting right back to plan after these treat days or UP days is whats important and I will lose what I gained over eating and then some if I can keep to it.
Off to the trail for a bit now to have a good walk before the rains come. It will be a very raining week here apparently.
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Mad, I agree that adding a treat here and there is not a death sentence, if you are capable of keeping it to a sensible limit and it does not trigger a binge. It's all part of the "lifestyle change" to make it something we can live with the rest of our lives. It might slow weight loss a little, but that's Ok if we realize that when we do it. I think you did well.
Trish, I think the secret to the veggies is that they help fill you up with few calories and they provide fiber. I forget the details, but fiber helps carry your other food through the digestive tract and keeps some of it from being absorbed. I don't know about you, but I did not get fat from eating too many vegetables. LOL They are complex carbs. What we are to limit is refined carbs.
The one thing I remember from when I did WW Points Plus. Veggies had no points value, but still were to be limited to the servings they suggested. I don't remember what the quantity was right now. They might have changed that rule now with the new Beyond The Scale Plan. That was one of the things I didn't like about WW...they kept changing the plans....different rules, different points values.
I know from reading the low carb forums that a die hard low carber would argue that veggies cause bloat and stall weight loss, but I think that's the body's reaction to the addition of the fiber. Once the body get used to the fiber all that ends. I still eat corn, carrots, peas, etc. I know they are considered the starchy veggies, but I eat them in mixed veggies like when I have soup. I'm not going to pick them out. LOL
Yesterday, DH went to McDonald's because he wanted a burger, and got a BOGO. That second burger sat here all day and I didn't touch it. Finally, at bedtime I fed the meat to the dog and tossed the rest. Yay me!
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fatmad I think we have to learn that we can have the treats, but as Carol Sue said, we also need to remember that it may slow our weight loss. I think it was good that you realize that you may have the cravings for a few days after. Knowing this you are ahead of the game (so to speak) because you will recognize the craving as something you have to go through for a short time, but it will pass.
I had to realize today that today my weight gain of 3.8 lbs this week is the result of how I ate last week. I had to realize that this is the price I paid for eating off for 3 days last week. Knowing that, I go back to doing what I know works and move forward. That is what you are doing fatmad. I consider this to be "growth" in or journey because it isn't derailing us. We are both OP today.
Carol Sue YAY!!! Great job giving the meat to the dog and throwing out the rest. I think we are all seeing where we are growing and we have these little victories that we can build on. I believe we will see more and more of these happening in our lives.
This is why I need to follow the plan I'm on. I know I can work it into my lifestyle. I ended up with an UD of just under 1300 calories yesterday. I did drop 1 lb which is the way it seems to go for me and my FBS was down 5 pts. from yesterday. Todays calories will be a DD of 1087 calories.
I've decided to eat the way I was eating when I met with the diabetic dietitian and educator. I will do 25 minutes on the recumbent bike 6 days as this will give me the 150 minutes a week on it. I also do about 10 to 15 minutes a day of other exercises which include strength exercises, weights and kettle bell lifts. I believe if I keep doing this everything will fall in place.
Carol Sue I think you are right about the fiber in the veggies etc. Fiber does help the food to go through our bodies slower and is supposed to bring the bs down. Checking my bs later in the day before I eat our main meal, my bs was 111. So although the fbs is sometimes high as far as I'm concerned, it is still lower later in the day. I think eating the fiber obviously helps.
I did purchase the kindle book titled The Truth About Diabetes & How to Reverse it NOW by Dr. Julian Whitaker. I'll let you know if he says anything new. I also noticed that he has another book called The Mini-Fast Diet. I didn't see it on Amazon. I might check to see about it later.
I ended up with my calories at 1397 so I guess I'm not doing JUDDD. Just trying to keep my calories under 1400. I didn't have my salad or veggies today so that may have been the problem.
A quick flyby this morning as I have to leave in a few minutes to go meet DD and DS.
I was surprised this morning with a whoosh back down to 211.2 and my FBS came back down to a 152 after that high reading a few days ago. Thank you guys for encouraging me to keep doing what I'm doing. I've already done most of my exercises today. The 25 minutes on the recumbent bike is done and that is the biggy.
I will share from this book I'm reading hopefully later today.
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Good for you, Trish. We all fluctuate up and down, especially when we weigh daily. I think from week to week you are seeing a downward trend. Those up readings sure are discouraging.
There is no change with my eyes. They might be just slightly better with the drops I'm using, but my nose is running like a spigot so to me, that has nothing to do with my eyes, but is allergy related. But I don't know what I could be allergic to for so long. Maybe my dog. I was tested for allergies and I was allergic to cats but not dogs. Or maybe I have allergens in my house, like dust mites. The fake Claritin helps with both the runny nose and the eyes, but not 100%. My eyes are just watery, but not itchy or red. I was cleaning out my computer desk today and I found the name address and phone number of the eye doctor my BIL went to for his cataracts. That's a step in the right direction. I think I will call sometime next week for a future appointment. My friend from Florida whom I have not seen in 30 years will be in town next week. I don't want to have any appointments, because she said she will call if she has an open time slot for us to get together, so I want to be available minute to minute. She is visiting for family matters.
Carol: lots of people get more allergic reactions to things as they get older, my husband did in his 40's, became allergic to ragweed. Its only mildly better with Reactine. He does best with the nasal spray nasonex. Not sure if it would be OTC in the US though or you would need a prescription. I find I am having hives a lot lately, my Singulair used to keep stuff at bay, but I get them easily from food reactions and am having mild reactions quite a lot lately. So just keeps getting worse.
Speaking of reactions; this might be TMI, but as you know, staying low carb has often made me quite constipated, the fibre in fruits and veggies just not enough for me. Well, I have realized the culprit is cheese.
Because I have been having breakfast smoothies, I have not been having dairy at other meals most of the time, so haven't had much cheese lately.
But twice in the last week I have had cheese.
And both times I seemed to have slowed the bowels down. Because its just the once though, and I go back to my regular diet, the constipation is short lived.
Didn't realize a single serving of cheese would have such a profound effect. Other times I have done low carb, I have eaten quite a bit of cheese for the high fat/high protein content. So will have to watch that in the future.
Yesterday was an up day for calories but on plan for low carb, and in spite of eating nearly 2000 cals for the day (had a very hungry day with carb cravings) I managed to lose a bit and not gain, so we will see if over a couple of days that is ok. Will keep to plan for the week (thank goodness no "events" to get me off track) and see where I get. I want to keep to plan until we go to the cottage again, for sure.
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Mad, I have used nasal sprays from time to time. They are OTC here, too. I have used different ones, including Nasonex. They help, but are not 100% effective. The Claritin I buy is generic and very inexpensive. There are no OTC generic nasal sprays so they are pricy. Many of my choices are about the money. I have always had these nasal allergies. After we moved here, they improved, though, but not this year. One thing I can think of , this year my DH did not weed wack the hill behind our house and it's very overgrown. That really shouldn't matter because I'm not outside much.
I am aware that cheese can be binding, and sometimes I will eat it intentionally, since my problem is usually the other direction. My younger brother used to get very constipated when he ate peanut butter. My mother had to keep it from him, and he was unhappy about that because he loved PB and could eat it right from the jar if allowed. Not allowed. LOL Yesterday we had a store bought rotisserie chicken. They are good, but very greasy, and my body responded unfavorably to that, but it was minor. I don't eat the skin....it's just greasy from the way they cook it, or maybe they inject it with something for flavor. Sometimes when I cook chicken it effects me the same way, but I love it, so I continue to eat it and keep the Immodium handy. I read somewhere recently that it's much better to use Pepto Bismol rather than Immodium.
My 211.4 has held for 2 days. It sure helps to eat at home. We will be going out to eat today. I called and got DH a doctor's appointment for today because his ear is bothering him... it feels swollen and blocked and hurts a little. I think he needs to have it checked out. He wanted to wait until we see the doctor at our regular appoint the end of the month, but I told him I was making the appointment this morning and he is going. I will have to eat some little something before we go so I won't be starving by the time we go eat somewhere.
I get ads from Amazon on my kindle for Dr. Whitaker's book on Mini-Fast Diet. I just may order it too as it is on Intermittent Fasting. I'd like to see what he says about it.
I have got a lot of info from him on what suppliments we need as diabetic. He says we need to take Vitamin C, E and a B-Complex. I am not faithful with my B-Complex and only take C during the cold season. I let my previous doctor talk me out of taking E. I should never have let him talk me out of it as it is so vital especial for protecting nerve ending. So I will go back to taking it.
Well, got a phone call so will have to go for now.
Great job giving the meat to the dog and throwing out the rest. I think we are all seeing where we are growing and we have these little victories that we can build on. I believe we will see more and more of these happening in our lives.
