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Old 08-08-2014, 10:19 AM   #46
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Trish, I am going to go to another diabetes board and see what they say about vegetables being considered carbs. I don't go there very often because they are soooo strictly carb free that I just don't fit in, but they always give me good answers. They might ask 10 questions before they answer, but in the end the answer is good.

Trish, I don't know if Metformin can be cut effectively. You could try it, but it might not be as effective as it would be using 2 - 500s. If you really want to do that, ask your doctor if you could get 500s instead of 1000s. Look to see if the tablet is scored in the middle. If it is, it CAN be cut.

Shannon, waiting to hear about your dr visit.

Dgramie, where are you located, if you don't mind my asking? School starts very early for you! I don't think ours starts until the end of August. My GS is going to kindergarten. He just turned 6....they held him back a year due to behavior problems. I told him if he doesn't listen to the teacher they will send him back to pre-school and now he's afraid to go to kindergarten. He likes to do what he wants to do and not what he's told to do. You have to make sure you have his attention before you tell him to do something or he just blocks you out. I think his parents overindulge him, but I keep my mouth shut because they are the parents, I am just the step-grandma.
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My doctor's visit was kind of a disappointment unfortunately. I need to look over my labs again when I'm not in a hurry and then I will post an update.
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checking in here! I have had a lot of trouble logging onto this site over the last couple of days. The satellite must have moved LOL! We live in the boonies and despite what they say on TV - satellite is not fast or reliable LOL.

177.6 today and my blood sugar was 94 this morning (which means it could be anywhere from 104-124 I use a contour but the relion usually measures 20-30 points higher)

I've logged 28 miles of walking this week and this weekend hope to bump it up to 30. We'll see! We have the company picnic tomorrow - at a place called Craigs Cruizers - pizza bar, etc. going to be a day of terrible temptations! Hopefully I can find a salad somewhere
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Carol sue- I am in western ky. We get a wk off for fall beak and one for spring nreak. It's nice!
My granddaughter lives in IN and school started there also.
I had been eating very few carbs and the past 2 days I am starving. I had a sandwich and chips and I think it triggered something bad!! I am thinking of skipping dinner. My stomach hates when I over eat!! Fasting blood sugar was 106 today.
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Shannon, I love bulletproof coffee! I add a tbsp of whey powder protein to it and it is my breakfast before working out, anymore than that makes me feel bleah when I'm walking. I put it all in the blender. I don't add cream though, it looks like I do by the time I finish Today I added a tsp of un- flavored gelatin, added a nice creaminess to the finished product. I put it in while my blender is going (I take the small insert out of the lid.)
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Old 08-08-2014, 05:20 PM   #51
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Carol Sue My Metformin is the kind that can be divided. I took 1/2 at 8:30 when I had my bulletproof coffee and I'll take the other 1/2 at 8:30 tonight and see how it works. I get refills when I go to the doctor in September and will know by then if I need to get 500 mg pills.

It will be interesting to see the answers you get from the other diabetic group.

Today was DGS last day in summer school. He is out for 2 weeks and will be working a lot between now and when school starts again. He isn't living on campus this year because he is short his 3.0 for his college scholarship, but I am ready for him to be living here this year. We have been having a few moments the last few morning having coffee and talking. He is actually DH DGS and we seem to be bonding lately which is really nice. DH is teaching responsibility as he said he made his son pay rent when he moved back in after leaving home and he told Ty that he would have to pay some to help on the utilities. I think it was good for DGS. He has been more respectful etc since then. He is becoming a pleasure. So I think it is going to be a good experience for all of us.

Donna I was wondering if my bulletproof coffee was going to keep me satisfied in the morning until I get back home, but adding a little bit of whey/protein powder definitely should do the job of making sure that I'll be good till I get through with my trip to beauty shop and shopping before I get back home. Thanks for sharing this.

dgramie I have the same problem these days of overeating. I don't know if it is the satisfaction from the fat in my diet or what, but I have to eat less because my tummy just does not like feeling full.

My parents used to eat 1/2 grapefruit and 2 slices of bacon. It tasted so good. I love grapefruit (carb friendly) and I love bacon. My son calls me the "bacon queen". Around 11 to 11:30 I had this more like a snack. I asked my Daddy today when I talked to him if they had a diet reason for eating this combo and he said, "Yes, it is supposed to burn fat". Well, this is now going to be my "new" norm for a daily snack at least Mon - Friday. The bulletproof coffee will work great those days made without whey/protein, but since I won't be home where I can have the grapefruit and bacon in the morning I'll move it to later in the day on the weekend.

I read something interesting about fat in this months Prevention Magazine. Unsaturated fats builds muscle from fat where as saturated fat build fat. It said to fill our diets with unsaturated vegetable oils, nuts and fish. Later I read somewhere else that if you are eating a hamburger that you should add sliced avocado to it for good fat. It seems they are learning all fat isn't bad. In fact, it might be the difference in whether we have belly fat or not. Of course, they still pooh pooh butter. However, I have to wonder if they just aren't ready to admit they are wrong about some of that. Except for the bulletproof coffee where I use some butter(not organic), I mostly use CO or EVOO.

FBS was 129 this morning. I think that was from eating before I went to bed as I stayed up really late with DH. But my weight was down .4 lbs so weight is moving back down vvveerrry slowly. But any amount of down is good.

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Old 08-09-2014, 12:56 AM   #52
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I have answered two sets of questions for the magazine article in the last two days and I actually just got to read the first draft.....I think it's really happening, lol! It's not an incredibly exciting article but it is longer than I thought it would be and how they spun my story was kind of neat - I had wondered what caught their eye about my story but it was basically that I started making changes by giving up soda for Lent, lol!

Okay, so let's get to my doctor's appointment today. My fasting was normal for my lab draw but my A1c was the same, maybe actually 0.1% worse. And my lipids are horrific. Everything I have read gives me hope that my lipids will improve and the high fat part of my diet is really okay despite all the hype of past days but of course seeing my worsening results scares me. I am on an antifungal regimen right now (since my last appointment in May) and finishing it in a week. My dr told me it is possible that the antifungal is causing my statin to not be effective and that is why my results are so bad. They are both metabolized by the liver and she said in some people they compete and thus, the statin becomes less effective. (I have a double whammy bad gene for cholesterol from both parents, my brother does too, we are both on meds and have been for years and he is MUCH younger than me - my levels have been bad since high school - I just tell you all this so I don't get a lecture about statin use, I know it is controversial and I did a great deal of research and consulted with the medical director at my last job before concluding it was necessary. I did go off of it prior to and during pregnancy.). So, she was not concerned at all and just wants me back for repeat in December. But, I just feel like a big ole fake especially reading this article about how much healthier I am. It's true but then these results just make me worry. Especially the A1c....I really expected it to go down. I'm a little bummed.

We had our reinspection of the home repairs tonight and it was kind of dramatic. Long story but basically the sellers had no idea anyone was coming to their house and thought we were burglers. They were not home and we were in their house when they arrived. There was a major scene, they were very upset. Everything got checked though and they were nice to us, they were just really upset with their agent for not telling them and got very angry with the inspector. They did apologize later, it was uncomfortable.

I am more than ready for this move to be over. I still have so much to pack, after packing 75 boxes plus many that are un-numbered since hubby packed them. I think we've made 6 trips to the storage unit now. Tension and stress are high in our house right now, my husband is acting crazy/angry alot, my daughter is behaving terribly (because she is not getting enough attention and is bored with me packing all the time), we are eating out way too much because of being away or just too busy to cook....it is just wearing on my family. I look forward to a couple weeks from now when hopefully we are in a routine again. Of course then the stress of selling our house will be in full swing....sigh.....

We close Monday and I will be back in my current home Monday night but then Tuesday and Wednesday I will be at the new house (and spending the night at my mom's in the next town over) with no internet. So, don't worry if you don't hear much from me.
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Shannon I think you just have and have had so much going on the past few months. Trips like vacation, stress of keeping Olivia entertained while looking for and buying a new home etc. not to mention the stretch there you went through not even sure if y'all were going to even move. I just read how one of these stressful situation takes a lot out of us especially those of us fighting diabetes. I'm sure when you get things settled and get back to your routine that you will get these health issues under control again.

You know statins are tricky. I used to take a natural statin. Can't remember the name. I think it was Red rice something. I didn't even know it was a statin until my doctor mentioned it. I read up on it and couldn't decide if it was good to take it or not so I quit because of the way he asked me more than anything. The strange thing is he has DH on a statin prescription. Go figure.

Well, I split the Metformin and took it 12 hrs apart and my fbs was 124 this morning. I've found a website of a doctor in Sweden www.dietdoctor.com through another diabetic thread on another site. I haven't had time to read a lot on his site, but he lowcarbs and teaches people how to lowcarb. I learned about him on MFP from a blogger who said the medical field in Sweden is the first nation who has dropped the western lowfat protocol and they have made LCHF their "new" dietary protocol. I don't have time now, but when I get back this afternoon, I will find her blog and give y'all the link to her blog as her walk with diabetes is quite helpful.

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Shannon, I don't understand lipids, really. I have been on statins for years and my cholesterol varies from year to year. It has been below 200 since 08 when I had my heart surgery, but a lot of that could have been contributed to weight loss, exercise and low carb. They are lower when I'm exercising regularly and sticking to low carb. I have never been one to eat high fat, though, and I probably won't change that. It could be that yours are due to family history, but if the meds aren't working, why take them? Atkins followers always say that high fat does not contribute to high lipids but do all Atkins dieters get their lipids checke? My triglycerides are MUCH lower when I'm eating low carb and exercising. I still think you are doing well, though. You are losing weight, and in the long run, that should really help.

I don't think my next A1c is going to be as good as the last one was unless I get my bs under control now and keep it that way for the next 2 months. This past month has been bad. I think the last time I was trying to prove a point and I was more diligent. Now that I got a good A1c I have been more lax and eating more carbs, my thinking being that I can always take the glimiperide to bring it down. Not what I wanted to do. My bs was high last night and high again this morning. Last night we ate dinner at the casino buffet and although the only carbs I had was a small piece of potato, I really had a lot of meat and fish. I have to keep in mind that small meals are necessary for blood sugar control, not just low carb.

This move will all be over soon and once you get settled in the stress should subside. I hope! Now to sell your house. It is ready to go on the market?

Trish, the replies from the other diabetes board were OK. Yes, veggies are carbs, and quantities need to be restricted. No "eat all you want" which is basically what I do. They stay under 20gm per day, which is almost impossible for me.

I have always heard that belly fat is from carbs and has nothing to do with fat that you eat. Glucose that is not burned is stored in the fat cells. More carbs, more glucose. There is so much contraversy over sat fat and unsat fat, I don't know what to believe. I don't think I eat a lot of sat fat, but I don't go overboard avoiding it. I don't like greasy foods or fried foods. They just don't taste good to me so I avoid them, but it's because of the taste and feel of the foods, not because I'm avoiding fat. This one restaurant we go to makes a good baked Walleye. I know they cook it in butter and sometimes it's ok, but other times it's served sitting in a pool of butter and I don't like that. I prefer when most of the butter is cooked away.

Donna, the reason I am not too keen on the Bulletproof coffee is that I look forward to my scrambled eggs so much and don't want to give them up. It's not that I wouldn't like the bulletproof coffee or that it won't satisfy me, but my eggs with or without the veggies is very satisfying to me. I was so happy when my cholesterol came back at 125 because if it had been high I would have quit eating the eggs. My husband nagged me to death about how I was putting myself at risk, and now that he saw my lab results he had to leave me alone about it. He eats french toast, which is covered with eggs and lots of baked good, made with eggs, but he says he doesn't eat eggs. LOL

You are doing so well and seem to do a good job of sticking to your plan. You inspire me to try harder!

Dgramie, our schools here start at the end of August until early June, depending on how much time they lose due to snow. The only long break is between Christmas and New Year, 2 weeks or so. Spring break is just a few days, Friday and Monday over Easter weekend.
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This is the link I promised y'all so you can read this girls blog about her diabetic journey experiences as she found her way from the recommended lowfat diabetic diet and found her way to the LCHF diet. She shares some of her research experiences etc... she comes from a family of diabetics and shares their results of following a typical diabetic diet that set her on this research journey looking for a better and healthier way of dealing with this disease. I thought it might not only be helpful to us on our journey but may even give us new places to read and learn more of the LC/LCHF way of eating in order to get better control.

http://www.myfitnesspal.com/user/naughty_zoot/status

I'm not eating a LCHF diet either although I am eating good fats food. Although I have no desire to do the bulletproof coffee everyday,I decided that I probably will do it once in a while. I was putting CO in my coffee for months now, but I never was a latte drinker. However, making a bulletproof coffee would be a tasty quick drink on Sunday morning before church when I'm usually in a hurry.

After skimming over some of the Sweden doctors info, I've decided to give up the fruit. So I won't be eating grapefruit and bacon. I'll go back to bacon and eggs and I got some avocados to add slices to some of my meals.

Carol Sue I always think of lowcarb as 20 grams because of Atkins. However, I had forgotten about the 30 grams that Dr. Bernstein suggests in his book until I read this girls blog. Some start out at 30 grams until they get their cravings for sweets under control and then add more. I saw where some ate between 50 to 70 grams a day while some even ate more. I read somewhere else, I think on a newsletter by Livestrong that most people who do South Beach cannot do the 1st 2 phases we are always told to do, but some doctor or nutrition said many do well just getting on the maintenance plan and staying there. One thing about SBD is that you are allowed to eat the beans. Although they go more for lowfat, I have seen people do a modified SBD where they use the healthier fats. I think I would like a modified version of SBD like that. Maybe we could do that since we both do have some carbs that we like such as the beans. It is a thought.

Well, I'm out of here for today. I've typed a whole message once already and lost hit a button and lost it in cyberspace and had to start over with this one. So I better go while I still have this one.

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Trish, I heard that although the beans are high in carbs, the fiber in them offsets the effect of the carbs. I don't worry so much about my total carb number as long as my blood sugar is good, and I can accomplish that by avoiding the starchy carbs, like bread, sweets, rice, pasta and potatoes. Pasta and potatoes don't do me much harm if I eat them in very small quantities, if I want just a taste with my meal. Bread and pizza are the big no-nos for me that really spike my blood sugar, even in small amounts. Ice cream, too.

I hope I don't sound like I'm an authority on this. I am just speaking of what works for me.
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Trish, I heard that although the beans are high in carbs, the fiber in them offsets the effect of the carbs. I don't worry so much about my total carb number as long as my blood sugar is good, and I can accomplish that by avoiding the starchy carbs, like bread, sweets, rice, pasta and potatoes. Pasta and potatoes don't do me much harm if I eat them in very small quantities, if I want just a taste with my meal. Bread and pizza are the big no-nos for me that really spike my blood sugar, even in small amounts. Ice cream, too.

I hope I don't sound like I'm an authority on this. I am just speaking of what works for me.
No, I didn't take it that way. One thing I've learned in all this is that everyone is different. And hearing how foods affect someone else has helped me a lot. In fact, the fact that I couldn't eat 1/2 c of oats without it spiking my bs was always surprising since it usually helps keep insulin level for most. Even my doctor was surprised. The girl I read about yesterday mentioned that just a 1/2 c serving of oatmeal raised your bs to around 200. She is the only other person I've seen who has shared that.

I'm thinking that if I am going to have starchy carbs like potato or pizza that I have to balance it with protein and I MUST NOT have any other starch with it. It seems like when I have more than one starch bs goes up and I get brain fog.

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The only way I can eat oatmeal is if I eat a scrambled egg first. The protein slows down the carbs. I just remember that from when I was in the hospital and they gave me both at breakfast. I always ate the egg first. I cannot eat pizza at all. I do, but then I have to take the glimiperide. The pizza my husband gets is really good, but usually I just pull the cheese and topping off a slice and just eat that. It is medium thick crust. They say thin crust is a better choice, but DH hates thin crust. I could never eat more than 1 starch at a meal, but that doesn't really appeal to me anyway.

I was thinking about you Trish, and the fact that your doctor didn't want to give you glimiperide. I didn't realize you were only on 1000 Metformin per day. They usually increase the Metformin before they prescribe anything else. At least that's what my DR did. How much Metformin does your husband take along with her glimiperide? I think you're better off controlling it without it, but I sometimes like having it when I get a really high reading. It's like a crutch, though. I know I can control it without it, but knowing it's there makes me more likely to slip carbs in. That's not good.
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I cooked beans yesterday and they were so good I ate to any of them. My tummy blew up. So I'm back at it tomorrow. Hubby can eat the leftover beans.
My fbs was 82.
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LOL Dgramie! Too many beans! When I first started eating beans I was trying to eat 2 cups per day of black beans. Way to many to start out. Now I eat maybe 1/2 cup per day, sometimes more if I make chili. I love beans.
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