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Old 07-04-2014, 11:34 AM   #46
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Happy 4th ladies! My FBS was 122 today My weight was also up. We ate dinner at Golden Corral last night and I stuck to low carb items for the meal but had a few very small pieces of dessert (like all together they might have equaled 3/4 of a normal size dessert). I meant to test last night but time just got away from me and I was ready to get in bed. I think I've become even more insulin resistant or carb sensitive since changing my diet. That kind of makes me wonder if I did the wrong thing, I don't know. I'm trying to make peace with that I would have either been like this now or later, either way. But I struggle with wondering if I made it worse on myself.

Rennie congrats on the scale!!!!
This is the loaded cauli I made that was really good
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Some of the ladies on my low carb group make it at the beginning of the week and eat on it all week. When I made it Mark ate a serving at dinner, I ate two servings probably then I ate the rest on other days....so all that to say Carol Sue if you like it, it keeps in the fridge....you could make a half recipe also and use the other half of the cauli for something else too. I understand though that hubby is not eating it and that makes it hard to justify. I also do not buy organic foods or grass fed beef. Occasionally Aldi has the grass fed beef and I have bought it like once. They also carry some organic shelf goods that I buy. I don't buy organic as a rule except for Olivia's soy milk. I'm still trying to get her weaned off that. She had stomach issues as a baby and could not drink reg milk. I've tried mixing it but anytime I go more than half and half she stops drinking it.

I finished the Cereal Killers video last night. It was good. Fathead was more entertaining for me but I liked it once I got past the accents! At some point I am going to get back in touch with my old boss to share how I've changed my diet and the effects. He was so on the cutting edge of all this. He actually met and corresponded with so many folks I see in these videos, it's kind of surreal to me now. He emailed with Gary Taubes regularly, for example. I would just love to hear what he has to say now, it's been 2+ yrs since I've gotten to talk science with him. I miss that. He had definitely cut carbs when I knew him but he still ate bread and I don't think he had increased fat. He was kind of in the who,e grains camp at the time. I'm curious if any of that has changed now as more papers are coming out. He co-wrote on so many of them since the test he created was being used in the studies so he was seeing the data before it was ever published.

My cousin is on her way with her son so I guess I better do a little more cleaning. Olivia is literally bouncing off the walls excited....poor Noah, he has no idea what he is in for!
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HAPPY 4TH OF JULY CHICKIES!!!


Quick flyby. Busy day ahead plus trying to treat the day like any other Friday except for when we celebrate the 4th this afternoon. Ice cream made and very much NOT low carb. Couldn't even use the whole amount of ingredients called for because it rain over in maker. I will adjust better next time and may not use any sugar or sweetner at all. DH didn't think it needed any as it is REALLY rich. It was a new recipe. FBS is way up to 144 this morning. Probably from testing the ice cream last night. However, I did lose 1 lbs this week, but still more to go. I guess if I can lose 1 lb a week, I will be happy. Still have 2 more to lose to get back to what I lost on vacation.

Had a beautiful time with DGS this morning. He's been really quiet and I haven't been being a very good Nannie lately. So we talked and I think I may have helped him to learn how to smooth out his relationship with his DGD. I think he hasn't known how to handle some things with him and I think I'm in this family for a purpose... to help heal some relationships rather than cause problems. I think I've finally got things smoothed out with DH DS and somehow things have to get better with his DD. There comes a time when you have to suck it up and accept things the way they are and let God work to make things right. Only God can make good out of bad things. So we have much to be thankful for this 4th.

I sure hope everyone who weathered this storm are okay. Those of you north of me got hit pretty good. Not sure which ones of you were involved. Tony's cousin in Cary,NC usually just gets a lot of rain from them, so I'm hoping that is true of Shannon and Rennie. Not sure about you Carol Sue there in PA.

Got to get busy. Catch y'all later.
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Trish, we are in western PA, several miles from Ohio, so our weather is absolutely beautiful. Sunny, high 70's to low 80's all weekend. I know that most people think of PA as the part out by Philadelphia, and they are probably having bad weather.

DH gets along pretty well with his kids but he always thinks that his advice is best, and in their 40's they can listen, but have to make the final decision themselves. He mostly gets into it with his daughter because of her constant financial problems. Without seeing their pay checks as compared to their bills I can't form an opinion, but it seems that they are very careless with their money and that gets them in trouble. DH blames her husband, but it is both of their fault. We finally got them to quit asking us to bail them out all the time and as long as I don't have to pay, I think he should just leave them alone. I think they will live this way the rest of their lives no matter how much money they make. I just thank God that they never brought children into the mix.

Shannon, I would be interested in hearing whatever you learn regarding your insulin resistance being worse because you started eating low carb. Many say that diabetes is progressive and will get worse not matter what you do. I know mine has, but I had been eating high carb for a good while and not exercising. So in a case like that, I do believe it is progressive if you don't do something about it, such as low carb and exercise. I wonder if you would have lost the weight you lost if you hadn't gone to low carb. I also notice that even though you have spikes, your bs recovers quickly compared to mine. Once I have a spike I can't usually get it back down without taking the Amaryl. I think you are heading toward a turnaround but aren't completely there yet. As you lose more weight, it should continue to improve. That's how it went with my friend's mother.
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We have had a busy few days. My kids came home for a quick visit last night. I got some cuddle time with all 5 of my grands. My older daughter spent the night here in town with my youngest and her hubby in their new house. It was kinda weird because I'm use to them being here. It was nice to wake up to a quite house and not have to cook. They came back for a short visit before heading home.
We had lunch at our neighbors. It was good and we didn't overeat. I have been tired today so came home and laid down. I slept for. 3 hours.
We plan on watching fireworks tonight in the neighborhood.
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What a day (and night) I had. This Fitbit is showing me just how sedentary I am. The first couple days we spent a lot of time shopping and running around here and there. Up and down the cellar steps doing laundry, etc. Yesterday I didn't leave the house all day. I did a little cleaning, spent some time in the kitchen getting things ready for our cookout, and this is a normal day for me when I don't do any formal exercise. I had a total of 1733 steps!!! And burned 1664 total calories!! No flights of stairs. No wonder I can't lose weight. The day before I had 4798 steps and burned 1882 calories, 5 flights of stairs. This is really an eye opener for me. Actually, I saw on my Fitbit online dashboard that you get a trophy when you do your first 5000 steps so I guess I just missed it on Thursday. Had I known, I would have made myself do the rest of the 202 steps needed to reach 5000. My house is a ranch so the living space is all on one floor. We have a basement and I have to use the basement stairs to the garage if we go somewhere, do the laundry, get something from our storage area. I usually try to combine trips so I don't have to do the stairs so often because of my knee, but I am going to have to start using the stairs more often. And MOVING some more! And get back to my exercise!

I will have to look at my Fitday account and see how many calories they say I spend in my day to day activity. I thought it was more than 1600. I know that these electronic gadgets are not perfect, but this seems to be in line with my weight loss results.

As to my bad night...I didn't eat lunch yesterday because I knew I was going to have the cookout and wanted to be able to eat. Before I ate I checked my BS and it was 111. I was pleased. However, I ended up eating more potato salad than I intended and had 2 hot dogs with the buns. I think knowing that my BS started out low gave me the false security that I could eat more carbs. I KNOW BETTER, don't I? When I went to bed my BS was in the mid 200's. I was so upset that I took an Amaryl, then decided to take 2 instead of 1. I have never done that before. I could not fall asleep. Finally, I got up around 1:30 and checked my BS out of curiosity. It was 77. Although not dangerously low, it scared me to death, thinking that it COULD go even lower with the meds. So I ate. I had a few fiber crackers with some cream cheese and a couple celery sticks. This morning my bs was 117 and I was happy with that. I dodged the bullet, but didn't eat so much to make me spike.

I need someone to give me a nice hard smack!!

Dgramie, so nice to get to spend quality time with all your grandkids. When I was growing up I rarely saw my grandparents. They were like strangers to me. No one had a car and we had to take a bus to go to visit them and paying bus fare for 5 people was not always in our budget. I grew up with playmates who had a grandparent or two living in their home with them and I was always amazed that they got to see their grandparents every day.
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I am posting a separate post so I don't end up writing a novel. LOL I wanted to comment on Fathead. I understand that the point they were making was that you cannot blame obesity on McDonalds (fast food) because this man ate it 3 meals a day and still lost weight and also had good labs, except for his HDL, which went down instead of up. However, I think many people watching that would just assume that this was proof that they could continue eating all the fast food they wanted, and I still don't think that's healthy. He did not eat any fruits and vegetables. Most people who eat fast food regularly do not limit their eating to 3 meals a day. They also plop themselves in front of the TV with chips, ice cream, cookies and other undesirable foods....not with fruits or vegetables. As far as kids are concerned, they cannot just go to McDonalds on their own. They have to be taken there by an adult. Most people say that the kids are thin...they can eat that food. But what about the food habits they take with them into adulthood? So this was what I didn't like about the video.

I liked the part at the end where he showed that you can eat fast food if necessary by removing the bun, and eating a side salad instead of fries. They do not force you to eat the fries...you choose to do it or not. It is enticing because it is cheaper than other restaurant food, and it's a bargain to get the platter rather than buying ala carte. Like they showed, my grandson just want to go there to play in the playhouse, but doesn't really want the food.

I did enjoy the discussions with the doctors. Didn't they say women over 60 should not be taking statins? I have been on them for years and wanted to stop taking them but have been afraid. My thinking "What if this REALLY IS what's keeping me from having a heart attack?" I think I'm going to stop taking it on my own. No one can force me to take a med. DH was given a prescription years ago but never took them and he's still alive at 71 and has no idea what his lipids are and really doesn't care. Shannon, I think I read somewhere that statins promote diabetes. I am going to research that, and in time, see if there's any improvement in my blood sugar. Actually, it may be too late for me because with my sugar running so high for so long the damage to my pancreas has been done and cannot be reversed. But if some of my aches and pains stem from the statins, that will help, too. I have no problem with taking meds to help with your health, but there is also the matter of quality of life, and if the meds are causing bad side effects I'd rather not take them.

Two more days and I will get the results of my lab work. I am very anxious to find out what they are with no exercise. I have all the records from my past labs back as far as 2000. As I look at them I see big swings high and low depending on my diet and activity, and 2011 was my best year. That was the year that I was exercising 300 min 5 days a week, up until I had to have my bowel surgery, and that put a stop to everything. So that is telling. My question...if exercise is what makes my labs good, why take all the meds?
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Where is everyone this morning? I guess some of you actually do have a life! LOL I am feeling very chatty this morning as you can see.

I have made a change and am waiting to test to see the outcome. I switched to 1 plain scrambled egg in the morning instead of 2, without the veggies and beans and added a small dish of oatmeal. I have been trying to find a way to use some of my Fiber One cereal without adding extra calories, so I added a sprinkling to my oatmeal. It was satisfying and I will see what this does to my blood sugar in a couple hours. I will just add the veggies and bean to my kale at lunch time to make sure I don't cut back on them. My biggest problem always was and still is, dinner. For years I didn't eat any dinner, or ate something very small. Now that I eat with DH it's a whole meal I've added. I need to learn to eat it, but just a couple bites of everything instead of filling a whole plate. I won't cut back on my breakfast and lunch because they are my favorite meals, and neither are very high calorie. It's that dinner than gets me every time, especially now that I know how very few calories I am actually burning in day to day activity.

We were supposed to stay away from the casino this weekend, but DH wants to go. We didn't spend much money this week so I will probably end up giving in and going because walking around the casino will add to my steps and calories burned. At one casino, there is a walkway that goes all the way around the casino floor, with restaurants and refreshment stations along the way. Sometimes after we eat I walk a few laps around there to get some exercise. That would be good for me to do with my Fitbit.

My dog survived another July 4th. He hates noise, fireworks, storms, when DH uses his power drill, etc. He shakes like a leaf. The past couple days all the neighbors had fireworks and then last night was the community fireworks display about a half mile down the road from us. It's nice because we can sit on our porch and watch. The weather yesterday was beautiful, and after sundown I had to actually put long pants on to sit outside and we both had jackets on. Some guy I didn't recognize was drunk and running up and down the street wearing nothing but a pair of Speedo swim trunks. He needed to lose about 40 lbs. He was approaching everyone who was sitting in their yards, but we were up on the porch in the dark, so he didn't come up to us. Thank God! At least we had a little extra entertainment. I don't think he was from our street because most of our neighbors are senior citizens.

I did some extensive reading about Statins and also Fenofibic which I also take. It says that stopping Statins abruptly can cause a rapid rise in your LDL, so I think I will just cut back to half dose per day. Also, the Fenofibric acid is to be taken in combination with statins so I don't know if I can continue to take them without the statins. I can't talk to my doctor about this because you know he will tell me to continue taking them.

I guess I'll go get some things done so I can go to the casino. I'll leave your girls to digest my ongoing saga. LOL
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Carol sue- my grands all live an hour away. I wish they were closer but with jobs they had to move away. I have my youngest still living close. She is only 7 miles away. She is married but hasn't started a family yet. She is a RN. And working on finishing her bachelors.
My fbs was 103 today. I did great today until I got the bright idea to make a blackberry cobbler. I was thin and more like a pie. It's not something I want often, pretty much just one bowl a yr is enough for me.

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Carol Sue you are a book of information That is funny about the person running through your neighborhood.

Shannon I like the idea of mock loaded baked potato, yum. Can't wait to try it

Trish good job on the pound

dgramie, sounds like things are coming back to normal for you. I'm happy for you.

By the way I absolutely love potato salad ... I'm so glad I can eat the mock potato salad just as well My fbs has been in the 120's for two days. I would love to get it under 100. Maybe in after the next 10 pounds
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Hi, I'm Gail & I'm new to this support board. I was just diagnosed on Wed. with type 2 diabetes. Shannon suggested I stop over here when I posted my results on the 40-somethings board. So here I am.
I am still a bit in shock, maybe even denial. NO ONE in my family has diabetes. I have been kinda questioning myself as to how this happened. Then again, it's really not that shocking. I have not been taking care of myself by ANY stretch of the imagination for far too long...like 3-4 years! I guess I have reaped what I had sown.
I just don't know where to begin. It's almost like I'm depressed in a way. I feel like the ground has kind of fallen out from under me. All I've really done the last couple of days is hide out in bed. Weird, like I think that I can "hide" from my diagnosis. I KNOW that I can't but I guess I don't know where to start!
I know I need to change up my eating, watching carbs. I know I need to exercise more & get the weight off. I know I need to take the medications & vitamin regiment m doctor gave me. But I feel overwhelmed. How do I shake myself back to reality & start doing what I must? Any guidance or suggestions? I'd love to hear how others have adjusted. Cause I KNOW I can't bury my head in the sand.
Thanks for letting me vent. I'm going to get this thing figured out with help, I just know it!
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Hi Gail. We're happy to have you here. Any friend of Shannon's is a friend of ours. No other diabetics in my family. I stumbled through my first year of diabetes not knowing which end was up. I received no diabetes education whatsoever, and what I learned, I learned from the internet. I asked questions on message boards and googled information. Last year, after 5 years of diabetes, I went into denial. I ate whatever I wanted and quit exercising. My glucose went into the 200s and 300s and wouldn't come down. I know I did a lot of damage to my body that cannot be repaired. The thing about diabetes is, everyone is different. You listen to what works for others, then you try it out and see what works for you. It's the same as dieting....every diet does not work for everyone. Your meter is your best friend. It will tell you what you can and can't eat. Meal sizes affect glucose too, as does exercise.

We will be happy to answer any questions you have. Shannon has done very well, and with her background, she is a good source of information.
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Girls, my experiment with my oatmeal was a success. 2 hours afterwards my glucose was 112 and 3 hours it was 117. No spike! I think it was the fact that I ate the scrambled egg beaters beforehand. I am happy with that because I like oatmeal, and I also like adding the Fiber One cereal to it. Fiber One is a little bit sweetened, so I don't have to add any sweetener to my oatmeal. This is the little instant packets I have on hand, but when they are gone I am going to move on to try cooked oatmeal.

I did well with my Fitbit yesterday. I logged over 6,000 steps and 3 flights of stairs. I actually did 4 flights, but one didn't register. Because of my knee, I walk up stairs one step at a time. In order for it to register I have to go as quickly as I can and be sure to raise my knees up high as I step up. I was carrying clean clothes up from the laundry room and was lucky to get up those stairs at all. LOL

Because it was my first day over 5,000 steps I got my first Fitbit award. The next award is 10,000 steps. I don't see myself doing that for a while. I love that this thing makes me more conscious of my activity. From what I've been reading online, the diehard fitness gurus say that the step counts and calories burned are not accurate, but what do you want for a $100 item? It's in the ball park and it gives me some insight as to what I'm doing on an active day compared to when I am inactive, and there is a big difference. Anything that gets me to be more active is "working" in my opinion. Also, as I walked through the casino, it reminded me to pick up my pace, and I noticed that I did not get any heart palpitations at all. The bad news is we came home penniless! LOL But that's nothing new.
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Hi, I'm Gail & I'm new to this support board. I was just diagnosed on Wed. with type 2 diabetes. Shannon suggested I stop over here when I posted my results on the 40-somethings board. So here I am.
I am still a bit in shock, maybe even denial. NO ONE in my family has diabetes. I have been kinda questioning myself as to how this happened. Then again, it's really not that shocking. I have not been taking care of myself by ANY stretch of the imagination for far too long...like 3-4 years! I guess I have reaped what I had sown.
I just don't know where to begin. It's almost like I'm depressed in a way. I feel like the ground has kind of fallen out from under me. All I've really done the last couple of days is hide out in bed. Weird, like I think that I can "hide" from my diagnosis. I KNOW that I can't but I guess I don't know where to start!
I know I need to change up my eating, watching carbs. I know I need to exercise more & get the weight off. I know I need to take the medications & vitamin regiment m doctor gave me. But I feel overwhelmed. How do I shake myself back to reality & start doing what I must? Any guidance or suggestions? I'd love to hear how others have adjusted. Cause I KNOW I can't bury my head in the sand.
Thanks for letting me vent. I'm going to get this thing figured out with help, I just know it!
Hey Gail! So glad you joined us. It's so easy to be in denial but this group is a great way to stay accountable with taking care of yourself. I am prediabetic for about 7 or so years now and have only been trying to change since earlier this year. I know all about denial, lol! Even after I found out in Dec that I was probably already Type 2 but just not showing up high on the one day per quarter I was being tested, I got angry and didn't do anything for a few months. Even now, actively trying to lose weight and eat to my meter, I struggle some with wanting to just quit. Denial is normal, just don't stay there forever!

Carol Sue said it best, your meter is your friend. It will tell you what you need to know. When I was first diagnosed PreD I went to a nutrition class through my local hospital. I didn't change anything then but looking back, the amount of carbs they told me to aim for might have been fine then but now I know they would be too much. I get spikes with pretty much any bread, potatoes, corn or sugary desserts. Pasta is still under experiment!

Each body is different which is why your meter is so important. I hated using it at first, especially since I'm PreD (supplies aren't covered and it varies as to whether a dr will even recommend one), felt it was just so unfair, but I've gotten used to it now. It really is the only way you can find out what is going on with you. (One tip on pricking your finger, I started out with the thinnest needles bc I thought it would hurt less but after having some frustrations with having to try multiple times and wasting strips bc of not getting enough sample I have now gone to the next size and am having much better success and less pain since I now am getting what I need the first time.) So, the meter is your number one guide....we can give you tips on foods to cut out or cut down on but really, that would be based on our own personal bodies, not yours....you may be different.

We have some other regular folks here that may have some other suggestions for you but starting to use your meter regularly is mine. And, I would even go so far as to, possibly controversally, suggest using it for a week without changing anything in your eating just so you can see what your present day looks like. I mostly eat low carb high fat but when I choose to eat off plan, seeing the high numbers is what helps me see why I need to keep at it as a lifestyle change and not a diet.

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My fbs was 106. I plan to do some post meal checks this wk. Is 2 hours post meal a good time? I know what my pre meal readings are.
I am hoping to discuss it withy dr on Tuesday.
I think I am still in shock at being prediabetic !!!

I woke up with a cold or allergies today. I'm all stuffy and congested.
I think we may go out for Mexican today after church. I will eat light and avoid chips. It's hard having to limit things for a couple of illnesses. Seems like what is good for one is bad for another. Lol
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Dgramie, 2 hour testing is what they recommend, but some people spike at different times. If I am really curious about a food I will test at 1, 2, and 3 hr intervals. Some people check at 2 hr and are OK, but then by 3 hr they get a spike. This is usually done when learning. Once you know how your body reacts to different foods you don't have to test so often.
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