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Old 06-27-2008, 05:57 PM   #16
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Years ago I maintained my weight and still had alcohol by having to "earn it" with exercise. I would ride up this horribly long hill for an hour (half hour back) on Saturday mornings with the visual picture in my head of the beer or whatever I would have later when we were all "relaxing" and "having a good time". It worked in terms of weight for a long time, but then I finally had enough and "lost it"- weight ballooned.... Anyway- I can't drink anymore because although at times I can do the control thing I find that takes up way too much of my mental energies, and there are times that an ocean full would not be enough. Everybody has to find their own path- just like with weight loss- the "click" is internal not external from others. 3FC is a good place to be.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:07 PM   #17
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Years ago I maintained my weight and still had alcohol by having to "earn it" with exercise. I would ride up this horribly long hill for an hour (half hour back) on Saturday mornings with the visual picture in my head of the beer or whatever I would have later when we were all "relaxing" and "having a good time". It worked in terms of weight for a long time, but then I finally had enough and "lost it"- weight ballooned.... Anyway- I can't drink anymore because although at times I can do the control thing I find that takes up way too much of my mental energies, and there are times that an ocean full would not be enough. Everybody has to find their own path- just like with weight loss- the "click" is internal not external from others. 3FC is a good place to be.
Excellent post and wonderful points.

So far, the "earn it" plan is working... but of course, I'm only a day or so into this thing.

I agree that weightloss (and maintenance) is all about remaining in touch with what's working, staying mindful of choices, and choosing "better" more often than choosing "worse." And I love your point about mental energies.

I've gotten some good ideas of things to try out to find what my "click" is, but you're absolutely right. It has to be an internal click, even if the suggestion comes from someone else for us to try it.

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Old 06-27-2008, 07:34 PM   #18
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It's so hard sometimes even bringing up alcohol. We're all here struggling with a variety of issues, but at times it seems questions or struggles with alcohol have to be framed very carefully, or someone will want to brand you an alcoholic. Just seems odd that we all have such different abilities to consume or abstain from a variety of foods/drinks, but this one seems to draw a lot more judgment than many others. Someone who goes overboard with pizza is gently comforted, but someone who goes overboard with margaritas, well, they might have a "problem" (unlike everyone else here).

Don't get me wrong, education is a great thing, and helping each other to identify a disease is definitely an act of caring. Just sometimes, it is just a question, not a cry out for help.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:58 PM   #19
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It's so hard sometimes even bringing up alcohol. We're all here struggling with a variety of issues, but at times it seems questions or struggles with alcohol have to be framed very carefully, or someone will want to brand you an alcoholic. Just seems odd that we all have such different abilities to consume or abstain from a variety of foods/drinks, but this one seems to draw a lot more judgment than many others. Someone who goes overboard with pizza is gently comforted, but someone who goes overboard with margaritas, well, they might have a "problem" (unlike everyone else here).

Don't get me wrong, education is a great thing, and helping each other to identify a disease is definitely an act of caring. Just sometimes, it is just a question, not a cry out for help.
Thanks, Silverstar. I agree.

I actually searched the board pretty thoroughly before even posting my initial request for tips because I was sure this had the potential of being a "hot topic" or certainly misunderstood somehow. I chose my words very carefully because--while I absolutely understand, appreciate, and sympathize with the issues related to alcohol addiction and abuse--I don't *have* "a drinking problem" nor do I want to make light of the issues those who *do* struggle with alcoholism face.

So, I really tried to make sure it was clear that I had had a week of overindulgence (just like you said, no different than having overindulged in food, really--simply a matter of successive not-great choices for someone actively engaged in a quest to lose weight and get fit) and was hoping to get some tips on how to make better choices for the next few days while getting this new "habit" out of my system. Some ideas for ways to get on-track until the bliss of feeling so much more in control of my journey took over and made it easier to say no to a cocktail (because not having one and staying on-track would feel so much better, once I had some distance from the week of play).

I know and trust though that everyone here has only posted from a place of caring and concern and empathy and support and encouragement, so I'm very pleased. I didn't want to come off as defensive, when--well--defending my relationship with booze, but I certainly did hope to keep the record straight. We all come to our computer screens and keyboards with our own life history and our own issues we've experienced, so of course we'll read some posts and put 'em through a filter that might not actually apply to the person's initial request for tips or whatever.

I'm just so pleased to be on track today and to have some really solid plans for how to stay on track in the future, due to the posts in this thread. If I feel myself saying, "Ooh, a glass of wine would be so nice," I can simply reply with, "Yes, it will be great... right after you hit the gym to earn that sucker."

What is it that Freud said? "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
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What is it that Freud said? "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:07 PM   #21
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Yes, and after reflecting a bit, I'm a little touchy on the topic. It's hard because it seems to so charged. I once posted (not at 3FC) about loving a couple of nice cold beers with pizza, and was barraged by comments that, for a woman, more than one drink in a day constitutes alcoholism. Whoah - hold the presses! I'm a big girl (5'8") and two beers a week does not necessarily mean I have a "problem", let alone alcoholism.

I think 99% of the time, these comments are given out of a genuine sense of caring and concern, and we're all here for help. We need support, encouragment, tips, sympathy, companionship, laughs and who knows how many other things. Sometimes we need education and information, too. We're adults. We can apply the facts to our own situation, please don't draw conclusions that may not be there. One thing no one here needs is to feel like they're being judged or diagnosed.
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And in all my ranting I forgot to congratulate you on staying on track today. Way to go!!!
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:18 PM   #24
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And in all my ranting I forgot to congratulate you on staying on track today. Way to go!!!
Thank you so much.

I am really pleased with how well today has gone.

And I know I have you wonderful people to thank for part of how "easy" it has been. (Note: It's never truly "easy," now is it? But you know what I mean. Knowing I could check in here has made it much more "do-able," let's just say.)

Thank you, thank you. A very good day!

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Okay I absolutely relate. I'm not an alcoholic, but I LOVE alcohol. I like my spirits, and I like them straight.. Although its probably not healthy I still drink because when I lose weight, and I start drinking again...how can maintain my weight? So I'm learning to lose weight with alcohol. I just worked out my calories in whisky and counted it into my day plan, or for example reduce my daily intake by about 50 cals per day which means I can have a few drinks at the weekend.

As long as you count it into your plan theres absolutely no reason why you cant ave your alcohol
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I just have to say two things. One, way to go for staying with your plan! And two, you've inspired me!

My mini goal: No alcohol AT ALL until our anniversary. Alcohol seems to stall and slow my weight loss (not put pounds on, I just seem to slow or stop losing).

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Now I'm not an alcoholic, I don't drink every day and I usually only have 1-2 glasses of wine when I do drink....giving up my wine for 3+ weeks is a small mini goal I can live with.

After the anniversary is over, I'll do another mini goal to cut my alcohol intake down again.
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Okay I absolutely relate. I'm not an alcoholic, but I LOVE alcohol. I like my spirits, and I like them straight.. Although its probably not healthy I still drink because when I lose weight, and I start drinking again...how can maintain my weight? So I'm learning to lose weight with alcohol. I just worked out my calories in whisky and counted it into my day plan, or for example reduce my daily intake by about 50 cals per day which means I can have a few drinks at the weekend.

As long as you count it into your plan theres absolutely no reason why you cant ave your alcohol
Exactly! Unless it's something I'm willing to give up at goal (**** no!) then it shouldn't be something I have to give up completely during the process of weightloss. Cut back on? Yes. Be mindful of the impact it has? Absolutely. Earn up the "treat" with extra workouts? Yup! I'm all over it.

So, thanks for the "me too." It's so helpful to be able to check in here and have so much support and encouragement, get tips and ideas, just share and share and share.

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I just have to say two things. One, way to go for staying with your plan! And two, you've inspired me!
Thank you! And YAY! Yay you! Awesome! I love that!!

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My mini goal: No alcohol AT ALL until our anniversary. Alcohol seems to stall and slow my weight loss (not put pounds on, I just seem to slow or stop losing).
Right! That's what I have generally found--until this week of five drink days--that I've slowed my weightloss, not gained. Five days was definitely too many. So, it's all about balance and learning where the happy medium is between being so restrictive that I go and binge drink to "make up" for having been so disciplined (eesh, what an awful pattern!) and being so free that I derail the overall goals.

So, yup. A couple days a week with adult beverages will work with my--slow, but steady--weightloss... especially as I "earn" the cocktails with extra exercise. I can't tell you how much I love this plan.

I was actually thinking about having a drink tonight and decided, IF I do that, I'll WALK to the market--and not the nearest-by one--to buy one thing, rather than drinking something that's already here in the house. (An ACTIVE choice. And getting me out of the habit of believing if it's on hand, it's fair game. Keeps me very mindful of exactly how much I'm buying to have NOW and all of these are good ways to stay on track with the goal.)

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I love it! I wish you loads of luck and an early happy anniversary! Please check in and let us know how it's going. So dang cool.

Yay! Thank you for sharing how you're inspired so that I can be further inspired by this thread.

So awesome, here! Yay!
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I definitely struggle with self-control issues, especially during times of stress, boredom or exhaustion. Either I'm rewarding myself or giving myself an extra push (Taco Bell, anyone?) to try to get through an event.

I'm sure I'll find a post somewhere else about emotional eating... But I tend to reward myself too often with food or alcohol. I don't like that in myself.

And the comment about finishing off the bottle? Of course! Why not! And I don't even bother to buy something like ice cream. It wouldn't last.

So I worry a bit about it... The "reward" issue... because I think that really sabotages the effort. So... for any long timers... What substitutes do you use? And I dearly wish I loved the gym as much as Meg.....
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I definitely struggle with self-control issues, especially during times of stress, boredom or exhaustion. Either I'm rewarding myself or giving myself an extra push (Taco Bell, anyone?) to try to get through an event.

I'm sure I'll find a post somewhere else about emotional eating... But I tend to reward myself too often with food or alcohol. I don't like that in myself.

And the comment about finishing off the bottle? Of course! Why not! And I don't even bother to buy something like ice cream. It wouldn't last.

So I worry a bit about it... The "reward" issue... because I think that really sabotages the effort. So... for any long timers... What substitutes do you use? And I dearly wish I loved the gym as much as Meg.....
I'll defer to those who've been on this path much longer than I have, but if it helps, I can say that I haven't been to Taco Bell since January (just before I started my journey with BistroMD) and the other day I was headed home from a meeting and STARVING. I knew I would have to wait for 20 minutes once I got home for the food "on plan" to be ready to eat, so I thought, "Well, do what you used to do! Hit the Taco Bell drive-thru!"

And immediately--just from the thought of it--I felt ill. Like, sick to my stomach. Like, there was no place in my belly for all of the cheese or beans or grease or sauce or ANYTHING they had to offer. And I used to LOVE Taco Bell!!!

I didn't even bother. It seemed (in my head/heart/tummy/wherever) to be a very bad idea. And I'd not felt like that in MONTHS. It was actually a good thing.

So, I don't know what that means, other than maybe it's all about the amount of time you spend away from something... and then you can more easily navigate away from it when habit wants to override.

Not sure. But it felt really interesting to me! And I noticed it. And I came home and ate food that I had here instead. And it was just fine. Sometimes, that's "good enough." And if that keeps me off the "junk" even one day more, that's a really good thing, IMO.

As for the "finishing off the bottle" issue, that's a tough one. I've posted before about being the kid of depression-era parents and how that had/has an impact on my ability to EVER throw anything away.

That said, my Week 20 delivery of BistroMD arrived and I had to stock the freezer. My hubby's ice cream was in the freezer--and that sucker has been tempting me for THREE WEEKS now (HOW can he keep a carton of ice cream for three weeks with only two scoops taken out of it???????? CRAZY, right????)--and there was no choice. I had to get rid of something: my diet food or his ice cream. Ran out of space. Had to do it.

So I tossed out his remaining $2 worth of ice cream and told him I owed him some, if he felt he needed more. He said, "Nah. Didn't like it much anyway. And I need to lose a few. Better to toss it out. Good call. Thank you."

SHEESH!

I don't live in that world, for sure, but it was very nice to get to experience both throwing out food (pushing against the triggers in my emotional food/lack self) and knowing that just because something is IN the house doesn't mean it must be eaten/consumed.

That's been a good lesson for me, that "it can live here without my overdoing it" thing.

I don't use all of my deodorant at once.
I don't use all of my perfume at once.
I don't use all of my shampoo at once.

Yet for some reason I'll decide the sun cannot rise with a drop still living in a bottle I opened the night before!

Heck, I remember learning this lesson when I worked at a restaurant in my teens.

I had NEVER taken leftovers home. I was taught (again, parents = depression era) to be a member of the clean plate club and that meant you ordered exactly what you were going to eat and if you spent the money by ordering it, you'd better eat it all right there in the restaurant.

Well, I worked in a restaurant for a couple of years and learned that MOST people take home leftovers or leave half their orders on the table to be thrown out. WHAT???? I was shocked! But it rocked my world to learn that. And as soon as I learned that "it needn't happen all at once" with food, I think I started to learn that I could apply that to a bottle of booze.

Ah...

I came in to edit two words and ended up adding a sonnet. Apologies. Got a lot to say on the matter, obviously.
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The one thing I'll eat at Taco Bell (and only when I'm in a huge hurry) is

Fiesta Chicken Taco Salad. No beans (pounded and processed so much there is really no nutritional value at all). No salsa (sugar in it). No shell (heavy empty carbs).

I'm low carb though so the small amount of sour cream and cheese is no issue. Once you get rid of the stuff above it's about 80% lettuce.
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