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ValRock
10-24-2006, 01:38 PM
My husband was looking over my shoulder and noticed my goal weight... and told me he thinks I'll be too thin at 160... The chart my doctor gave me lists a high weight for a 23 year old woman of my height at 155, though? I'm so confused! When I met my husband I was about 180 and a size 10-12... I looked FAB. I'm afraid I'm going to obsess over it and let myself get too thin. Or is it even possible for me to be under 180? It's my lowest recorded weight since elementary school. 155 seems kind of a low for a high weight?! Sorry if this post was totally confusing... This is hard! I've never been "thin"... maybe I'm afraid of that?


lilybelle
10-24-2006, 01:44 PM
I am 5'7 and the doctors chart listed a high weight for me to be 159, so it would seem that at your height that your weight could be higher than 155. You might try looking at a BMI calculator to know what the appropriate range would be. My range was 128-159 and I chose a "middle of the road" goal. I don't know the link for the BMI calculator but I'm sure someone else will. I am 46 yr's old , so not sure if this makes the difference or not.

Jasmine31
10-24-2006, 01:44 PM
Well the general rule of thumb I have heard is 5 feet = 100 pounds and every inch after is 5-10 depending on bone structure. So at 5'9, 145-190 should be a safe weight. In the long run it boils down to what you feel comfy with!


sotypical
10-24-2006, 01:46 PM
I know my heigh weigh is 140ish. I am aiming for 130 and have had a few people tell me they think that will be too thin. But I want to be at a healthy weight and of course I want to look good. I try not to worry about it and figure as long as I am at a healthy weight (and dont look sick) then I am okay. I want to see what 130 looks like. If I get there and think I look too small - I know how to gain weight. But I want to reach my goal and adjust from there.

But I think you are right on the afraid of being thin - you need to get to where you are happy not everyone else :) Why dont you get to 160 and then decided? But in the mean time, just keep plugging away!

ValRock
10-24-2006, 01:47 PM
Thanks ladies! I think my doctor is a little skinny obsessed... it might be time to switch. I think I look fine but he's not very nice about it! I'll just keep it up and see how I feel when I get there, and adjust accordingly :D.

Tisha___
10-24-2006, 01:47 PM
Well, according to a BMI chart I just looked at, anything between 127 and 171 would be considered "Normal" for your height.

But, I don't know how closely I'd feel comfortable following that. That's a HUGE difference there.

I say that if you get down toward your goal weight and start to think you might be "too thin" then stop and maintain where you're at. Just go by whatever your comfortable with.

srmb60
10-24-2006, 01:48 PM
Goals of any kind are a bit tricky especially if you don't remember ever being there.
You pretty much have to pick something to use a ticker or fitday.com etc ... but ... I think most of us would be happy at whatever weight we get to, if we fit nicely into clothing (no camoflage shapes ya know?), there's no flab hanging out, we can wear those brown slacks even if we have no control top hose ... that sort of thing.
There's also the difference between being a light weight and being a nice fit slimness ...
It's probably another case of wait and see

AmberNichole1983
10-24-2006, 01:49 PM
I don't think thats unrealistic. Your still in the overweight range and i think the healthy weight for some one who is 5'9" is between 135-160 (thats what i think i remember, my mom is the same height and i looked it up for her once) Just don't look at your long term goal and just focus on your next short goal and see how it goes and how you are liking your body. Anyways good luck :)

SwimGirl
10-24-2006, 01:51 PM
I'm a little shorter than you, 5'8", and my goal weight is 150. I'm extremely athletic, and have never been lower than 161.. but I figure, why not just go for it? If you get to 160, and don't feel comfortable being that skinny, gain a few more. Just go for it!

-Aimee

lilybelle
10-24-2006, 01:55 PM
ValRock, do whatever feels right to you. My Doctor is a little "skinny obsessed" too. Last time I saw him, I weighed 147 and he hinted that I should try to keep losing more weight. Then he said "now, you're 5'4 right" and I said "No, I'm 5'7", so he was pressuring me to lose more and didn't even know how tall I was or that my BMI was at 22% now.

Beach Patrol
10-24-2006, 02:01 PM
Well, I'm 5'3'' and my goal is 130 - 135. I could be incredibly happy at 125 or 128... or even as low as 120. That would be nice, but in my eyes, not very realistic FOR ME.

I'm 165 now, and looking quite the chubbo. No m'am, not impressed! Plus, it's HARD to find clothes that fit that actually look good, and don't make me look "too frumpy" or "too cowish" or "too sackish". :rolleyes: When I was 138 last summer/fall, I was able to wear some really nice clothes, and I really felt that I looked good. And more importantly I FELT FABULOUS.

Fat feels bad. :(

TamiL
10-24-2006, 02:17 PM
I'm only 5'3" and now weigh 145. Still 4 1/2 pounds too much for my "highest normal weight". But I am happy here, I can wear 7 and 9's in juniors and 8 petites in misses. At 42, I think I might just stay here and quit trying for an unrealisticly low weight (for me). Every time I've gotten down to the 110's and 12o's I've always managed to jump right back up closer to this range.

Get a new doctor!!!

Sojourner
10-24-2006, 02:47 PM
Wow you are doing a great job! Skinny or fat depends on so many things. What is your bone structure? Are you really muscular? Do you naturally have a really curvy shape? What is your body fat percentage? Do you want to be trim and toned or just hit a certain number? The number of pounds your body weighs is only part of the story. As we all know, two people at the same height and weight can look totally different! One can look flabby and the other trim depending on all of these factors. Since you getting so close to your goal, I would start thinking about whether or not you are "overfat" and pay attention to the shape and tone of your body. Someone recently used the visual of picturing 160 pounds of marshmallows versus 160 pounds of lean chicken... which would you rather be? They weigh the same but gosh the marshmallows would probably take up a whole room! Here is a photo showing the difference of 5 pounds of fat versus 5 pounds of muscle...

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n176/wagnerkester/fatmuscle.jpg

ValRock
10-24-2006, 02:50 PM
Skinny or fat depends on so many things. What is your bone structure? Are you really muscular? Do you naturally have a really curvy shape? What is your body fat percentage? Do you want to be trim and toned or just hit a certain number? The number of pounds your body weighs is only part of the story. As we all know, two people at the same height and weight can look totally different! One can look flabby and the other trim depending on all of these factors. I would start thinking about whether or not you are "overfat" and pay attention to the shape and tone of your body. Someone recently used the visual of picturing 160 pounds of marshmallows versus 160 pounds of lean chicken... which would you rather be? They weigh the same but gosh the marshmallows would probably take up a whole room!

All of that is so true! I *think* I have a rather large frame. I'm hesitant to say that because I know there are women who say that until they've lost the weight and realize they are really rather tiny LOL. But, at the weight I'm at now my hip bones stick out the bottom of my ribs show... there's a pretty definate distinction there actually and I could carve meat on my collar bones. I'm also pretty muscular... I've always done a little weight training and walked/ran so I know the muscle tone is there, and that's probably effecting my weight a bit. Is there a way to test what kind of bone structure you have?

Sojourner
10-24-2006, 03:06 PM
I don't know how accurate this is, especially for anyone who is overweight and might be carrying fat on their wrists or ankles... but here are some guidelines:

Ways to determine if your bones are small, average, or big. Measure around your wrist and around your ankle, then compare those measurements to the following charts:

Wrist Measurement

Small boned = 5 1/2 inches or less
Medium boned = 5 1/2 inches to 6 inches
Large boned = 6 inches or more

Ankle Measurement

Small boned = 8 inches or under
Medium boned = 8 inches to 9 inches
Large boned = 9 inches or more

My guess is this works best if you are at or near your goal weight. However keep in mind this is only part of the picture. I am pretty small boned however my hips and rib cage and shoulders are set very wide. My friend has the same size wrists and ankles as I do but she has the teeniest shoulders and hip bone and rib cage width. I could never be as tiny as she is... if I did my bones would be jutting out.

Sojourner
10-24-2006, 03:11 PM
Ok this seems like a better guide because it is based on height:

Determining frame size: To determine the body frame size, measure the wrist with a tape measure and use the following chart to determine whether the person is small, medium, or large boned.

Women:

height under 5'2"

small = wrist size less than 5.5"
medium = wrist size 5.5" to 5.75"
large = wrist size over 5.75"

height 5'2" to 5' 5"

small = wrist size less than 6"
medium = wrist size 6" to 6.25"
large = wrist size over 6.25"

height over 5' 5"

small = wrist size less than 6.25"
medium = wrist size 6.25" to 6.5"
large = wrist size over 6.5"

Men:

height over 5' 5"

small = wrist size 5.5" to 6.5"
medium = wrist size 6.5" to 7.5"
large = wrist size over 7.5"

Sojourner
10-24-2006, 03:18 PM
And one more easy guide:

Wrap your hand around your wrist. If your fingers don't touch, you're probably big boned; if they just touch, you're medium-boned; if they overlap, you're likely small-boned.

AmberNichole1983
10-24-2006, 03:26 PM
I always figured that i'm large boned and that confirms it lol Even at my weight i can see almost all of my ribs and hip bones pretty clearly. You are most likly large boned too. (even when i was 180 i could see my hip bones too)

ValRock
10-24-2006, 03:32 PM
Thanks for all that! LOL ok I'm 5'9" my wrists carry NO fat, they're the boniest part of me and they measure 6.5" and I can wrap my fingers around them with a good amount of overlap. My ankles are 9.5 and boney too...What does that mean? I guess I'm just big boned with long fingers? hehe Isn't it interesting how differently everyone is built?

BeezKnees
10-24-2006, 03:33 PM
Amber - if you're large boned and 5"7", isn't 120 going to be waaay too low for you? :?: (I'm 5'7" too, with a medium frame, and I'd look like Nicole Richie at 120.)

Sojourner
10-24-2006, 03:36 PM
Here is the weight watchers healthy weight chart, FYI:


Column 1: Height
Column 2: Minimum for all adults (BMI=20)
Column 3: Recommended maximum for ages up to 25 years
Column 4: Recommended maximum for ages between 25 & 45 years
Column 5: Maximum for all adults (45+) (BMI=25)

4'8" 89 102 107 111
4'9" 92 106 111 115
4'10" 95 110 115 119
4'11" 99 114 119 124
5'0" 102 118 123 128
5'1" 106 121 127 132
5'2" 109 125 131 136
5'3" 113 130 135 141
5'4" 116 134 140 145
5'5" 120 138 144 150
5'6" 124 142 148 155
5'7" 127 147 153 159
5'8" 131 151 158 164
5'9" 135 155 162 169
5'10" 139 160 167 174
5'11" 143 165 172 179
6'0" 147 169 177 184
6'1" 151 174 182 189
6'2" 155 179 187 194
6'3" 160 184 192 200
6'4" 164 189 197 205
6'5" 168 194 202 210
6'6" 173 199 207 216
6'7" 177 204 213 221

BeezKnees
10-24-2006, 03:51 PM
I guess I'm just big boned with long fingers? hehe Isn't it interesting how differently everyone is built?

Mine overlap too. :D I have long appendages though - my legs are almost as long as my husband's, and he's six inches taller. And "ape arms" run in my family. When someone in my office needs to reach something up high, they know who to call! ;)

AmberNichole1983
10-24-2006, 05:13 PM
yeah i got ape arms too.... and monkey toes. My wrists measure 7" and my ankles measure 10". I can wrap my fingers all the way around my wrists too and they overlap alot. I do have long fingers though.

Tisha___
10-24-2006, 05:16 PM
Here is the weight watchers healthy weight chart, FYI:


Column 1: Height
Column 2: Minimum for all adults (BMI=20)
Column 3: Recommended maximum for ages up to 25 years
Column 4: Recommended maximum for ages between 25 & 45 years
Column 5: Maximum for all adults (45+) (BMI=25)

4'8" 89 102 107 111
4'9" 92 106 111 115
4'10" 95 110 115 119
4'11" 99 114 119 124
5'0" 102 118 123 128
5'1" 106 121 127 132
5'2" 109 125 131 136
5'3" 113 130 135 141
5'4" 116 134 140 145
5'5" 120 138 144 150
5'6" 124 142 148 155
5'7" 127 147 153 159
5'8" 131 151 158 164
5'9" 135 155 162 169
5'10" 139 160 167 174
5'11" 143 165 172 179
6'0" 147 169 177 184
6'1" 151 174 182 189
6'2" 155 179 187 194
6'3" 160 184 192 200
6'4" 164 189 197 205
6'5" 168 194 202 210
6'6" 173 199 207 216
6'7" 177 204 213 221

Wow. So, according to that, I have 100 pounds to go. I just can't even imagine being that small. I haven't been that small since the 5th grade.

My first goal of 175 is a little too far away yet, for me to think about being 125. LOL

callystia
10-24-2006, 05:19 PM
Y'know, it may be blasphemy :D, but I think I'd rather still technically be a little overweight and enjoying life (and food, in moderation) than constantly trying to force my body to match the numbers on a chart. I'm not sure what my goal is, or where I'll end up, but I don't think I'd really be comfortable at anything lower than 135-140, ever.

Meg
10-24-2006, 05:42 PM
I'm like Callystia, comfortable between 135 and 140. Even though I'm only 5' 4", I don't think I can physically go much below 135 without really compromising my muscle mass and health. The lowest I've ever been is 132.5 and at that weight I was at 12.5% body fat, which is considered the lowest a woman should go (12% is essential fat). My size 4's were way big on me and my hips were 35" (down from 57"). Yet according to a weight chart I was still on the chunky side! :faint:

For me to go lower than 132 would mean I'd have to lose pounds of muscle (or bone!) and that would be a verrrry bad thing. My metabolism would tank and I'd end up looking like the stay-puf marshmallow girl. :p

Like other posters have said, what matters is body composition - percentage of fat and lean body mass - not scale weight when you're getting down close to your goal weight. Two people can be the same exact height and weight, yet have dramatically different sizes depending on their ratios of fat and muscle. Let's take a 5' 4" woman who's 140 pounds and 20% bodyfat - she has 112 pounds of lean body mass and 28 pounds of fat. She's probably a size 4 or 6 and looks pretty darn good. :)

Now let's take another 5' 4" woman, 140 pounds, who's 38% bodyfat - she has 87 pounds of lean body mass and 53 pounds of fat on her body (note: anything over 32% bodyfat is considered obese). When you look at the photo comparing five pounds of fat versus five pounds of muscle, you can imagine how she'd look compared to our first example. She's probably saggy, flabby, and two sizes bigger. Personal trainers call women like that 'skinny fat' because they're at a normal weight according to a weight chart but are clinically obese. :eek:

So in my opinion, the closer you are to goal, the less the scale matters. And weight charts just don't apply to women with muscles who work out. :dizzy: It's better to pay attention to how your clothes fit, your body composition, and how you feel - and of course, what's sustainable for the long term. You'll know when you're there and you won't need a chart or number to tell you. :)

Glory87
10-24-2006, 05:56 PM
I am 5'7" and have tiny tiny bird bones, I am thin at 127.

Valrock, I think you should just see how you feel when you get to that goal weight. My original goal weight was 150 - I couldn't imagine weighing less than 150 lbs and maintaining. When I actually hit 150 this time, the weight was still coming off very easily, so I adjusted my goal weight to 135. I ended up losing an additional 5 lbs or so. My "range" is now 127-130. I weigh myself once a week, if the scale reads above 130 (which it only has 2 times, thank goodness), I adjust calories for a week or two until the scale reads under 130 again.

hoodj0080
10-24-2006, 06:09 PM
Valrock, is your doc a guy or girl? My old doc was a man and said I needed to weigh 150 pounds, max. I AM SIX FEET TALL!!!!! If i weighed that little, homeless people would feed me sandwiches. My woman doc says 170-18- is a good weight for me, and I agree. If you are 5'9" and you like 170-180, then good for you! It sounds like yiu have a sweet husband. My fiance says I'd look to skinny at anything lower than 175 and i agree:)

sotypical
10-24-2006, 06:22 PM
Here is the weight watchers healthy weight chart, FYI:


Column 1: Height
Column 2: Minimum for all adults (BMI=20)
Column 3: Recommended maximum for ages up to 25 years
Column 4: Recommended maximum for ages between 25 & 45 years
Column 5: Maximum for all adults (45+) (BMI=25)

4'8" 89 102 107 111
4'9" 92 106 111 115
4'10" 95 110 115 119
4'11" 99 114 119 124
5'0" 102 118 123 128
5'1" 106 121 127 132
5'2" 109 125 131 136
5'3" 113 130 135 141
5'4" 116 134 140 145
5'5" 120 138 144 150
5'6" 124 142 148 155
5'7" 127 147 153 159
5'8" 131 151 158 164
5'9" 135 155 162 169
5'10" 139 160 167 174
5'11" 143 165 172 179
6'0" 147 169 177 184
6'1" 151 174 182 189
6'2" 155 179 187 194
6'3" 160 184 192 200
6'4" 164 189 197 205
6'5" 168 194 202 210
6'6" 173 199 207 216
6'7" 177 204 213 221

according to that I should be more then 125.....

Ready2ShedLBS
10-24-2006, 06:55 PM
OK.. well Im not going to write a book on this.. I say.. screw doctors charts.. they suck.. the chart that was posted I am cool with says I should be 140. The fitday thing says that I am almost extremely overweight (wtf) and according to the wrist test I am small boned. Yet I am 5'4 158-160 and wear a size 5/6.. oi oi oi! Thats why I like to go by clothing size. Charts suck. \

My friend, is a neurosurgon when I told him that "his chart" said I needed to lose 25-30lbs.. he said through that thing out the window, its not worth the paper its printed on hehe .. So.. Im listening to him, I dont pay him so I think hes pretty honest with me lmao

Meg
10-24-2006, 07:01 PM
Amen, sister. :D

Since a picture is worth a thousand words, here's one for all of you. This is Shelby Right, one of the personal trainers at my gym. She's a pro figure competitor, 5' 2" and 130 pounds. Overweight? You be the judge! :D

http://www.shelbyright.com/shoots/Picture%20152.jpg

ValRock
10-24-2006, 07:03 PM
Yeah! I'd say NOT overweight! Wow!!! *throwing the chart out the window* hehe

Ready2ShedLBS
10-24-2006, 07:12 PM
i wanna be just like her when I grow up lol

ValRock
10-24-2006, 07:14 PM
I'll need a LOT of surgery to look like her! :D

Jasmine31
10-24-2006, 07:22 PM
Like Meg mentioned before it is all about the fat %. I can't wait to get back down to 150-160 and if I can get to 135-140, even better!

Zorak
10-24-2006, 08:26 PM
I agree that weight charts and BMI are worthless.

I'm 5'6" and 198 pounds. That sounds huge ,but for me it is on the skinny side and I don't have much bodyfat left (nor am I a bodybuilder). The last time I checked my bodyframe it was within the medium range so I guess I'm just compact. LOL

In order to get to a so-called healthy weight I would have to lose over forty pounds and that isn't happening unless I amputate a few limbs. :p

Realistically I am aiming to lose another 3-5 pounds. Anything more than that and I would start looking sickly. Basically I just go by how my clothes fit and how I feel.

Sojourner
10-24-2006, 10:16 PM
FYI the WW chart is based on BMI.... and yup BMI does not take into account people who are really muscular. But with that being understood, dismissing BMI really is only a good idea IF YOU ARE REALLY MUSCULAR and fit!! Of course there are exceptions but I think for most of us who aren't body builders or personal trainers these are still good ranges. For many of us who have been overweight for years it is truly difficult to imagine existing at a healthy weight... the numbers just seem so tiny! When I look back at pictures of me at about 118 (high school!) I was really healthy and curvy and beautiful so I know its possible for me. I just can't imagine my body that small but I'm going to ignore what my faulty self-imagery says and go for it!

Hale_Mary
10-25-2006, 07:54 AM
Unfortunately Doctors are not educated very well in terms of nutrition, so it stands to reason they might have a skewed perspective on what a "healthy" weight means. I've heard a lot of horror stories about the kind of advice people have received from doctors about weightloss and nutrition.

So when it comes to finding the right weight for you, you might be better off speaking to a dietition or someone of that nature.