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02-17-2001, 06:52 AM
I just wanted to join this group. I am also counting calories an so far have lost 20 pounds so far. Keeping within 1800 calories but then again I have at least 100 pounds to go. If there are other calorie counters out there with lots of weight to lose, please let me know. Thanks!

02-17-2001, 10:30 AM
Hi There,

Congrats on the loss you have so far. If you look at the amount of weight to lose in small amounts it won't seem so overwhelming. I am counting calories too and try to stay at about 1700 - 1800 calories a day. I have tried so many different plans and decided to go back to basics. When I started counting calories I was at 271 and I have lost 50 pounds so far. Keep with it and you will be at goal before you know it.


02-18-2001, 04:14 PM
I am a calorie counter! I try to eat 1200 calories a day. When I am "dieting" (hate thet word), I have a problem with getting enough calories. Lately, I have been staying around 600-700. I am using to count the cals, fat, and carbs. If I see I haven't eaten enough towards the end of the day, I'll fit in one last meal. I eat 4-5 small meals a day. (goal is 6)
Ironic, isn't it, that you gain weight if you eat to many calories, yet you also gain weight if you eat to little!
I am also weight training 3x a week, and doing cardio 3x a week (which I need encouragement on. LOVE weight training, HATE cardio). My husband bought me a Elliptical Trainer, so it should be harder to find an excuse not to do it!

02-18-2001, 11:28 PM
Actually every diet/eating program out there is about calories...because the only way to lose weight is to expend more calories than you take in...I count calories myself - but I know a lot of people would just rather not hassle with every little calorie, thus you have the WW points or exchange system, Jenny Craig's rigid portion control, etc.

Remember the big 'low-fat' craze of the 90's? Now 'high-protein' seems to have taken over once again, as it was popular in the early 60's and mid-70's. I'm sure most of us remember the books that came out saying you could eat as much non-fat food as you wanted because calories didn't count - fat did...right after that was when all those fat-free foods came out. We all ate, never noticing that the calorie content of those Snackwells cookies, reduced fat Cracker Jack, etc. was very close to the original? Some times, they just made the serving sizes a few grams smaller just to make it seem as though there were fewer calories! I myself used to just eat 1/2 a package of Fat-Free Fig Newtons, thinking they wouldn't hurt me. Of course, I gained weight!

I love using to record my calories -- I try to stay below 1800 a day, but never less than 1200-1300. According to Michael Fumento's book "Fat of the Land":

"The calorie deficit you create should be close to what will be your permanent calorie level and certainly no lower than 1,200 to 1,300 calories. The further you go below this, the more likely you are to suffer from hunger -- and nothing defeats a weight-loss regimen more quickly than hunger."

"Paradoxically, for a while an extremely low energy diet of, say, 600 calories a day, stops hunger after a few days. You may feel tired and listless but your hunger will leave you. Yet the calorie deficit is so deep that when the time comes to move to a maintenance stage, you will have to make drastic changes. That's the point at which the appetite-suppressing effect of a very low-calorie diet abates and leaves you ravenously hungry."

"Another big advantage of slighter reductions in calories is that evidence indicates you may lose somewhat less muscle this way than with sharper calorie restrictions. In what is probably a best-case scenario, researchers at the University of Pennsylvania put one set of obese subjects on a VLCD consisting of 500 calories a day and the other set on a low-calorie diet of 1,000 to 1,200 calories daily. While those on the VLCD's saw their resting energy expenditures drop by more than 17 percent within a few weeks, their counterparts saw only a 2 percent drop, all of which could be accounted for by their lost weight...Studies comparing the two types of weight-loss regimens have found that you definitely get more bang for the buck with LESS caloric restriction. That is, you lose more fat off you body per calories reduced with milder restriction. Consider severe energy restriction as a jackhammer while lesser restriction is more like a hammer and chisel. You can break up rock more quickly with the jackhammer but more to your liking with the delicate instruments."


02-19-2001, 07:46 AM
Hi! I am counting calories too. 1000-1200 per day. weight training 3x per week and aerobic activity 5-6x per week. I usually walk or ride exercise bike. lost 30 so far.

02-19-2001, 09:32 AM
Hello, everyone!
Man, I wish I liked Cardio as much as I like weight training. I really like eating the frequent small meals each day. I never feel hungary. BUT, I do neen to make sure that I eat enough. Especially with weight training.
I haven't weighed myself in a couple weeks. I know I need to, but I'm afraid. I'm usually a scale freak, but I started using the scale my gym uses when they test your bodyfat. I did this so I'm not tempted to weigh myself every hour. I guess I'm afraid that for all my hard work, the scale will stay the same, or go up! Even if it did go up, I'd still press on. It could be muscle.
Well, it sounds like we are all giving this a real go. We can do it! No turning back!

02-20-2001, 12:00 AM
I would like to join in on this group. I've used WW with much success, but found that I started cutting way back on my calorie intake to loss faster and faster -- finally my weight loss stopped and I have had terrible side effects. Thanks for the info MrsJim. Your stats look marvelous. Is this how you lost the weight -- looking for some more positive input. I'm going to take at look at that book "Fat of the Land". Everything I have been reading and doing is supporting that I need more calorie intake. I've upped to 1500 and seem to be on the right track again -- Calories do count! Have a great day all!

deb b.

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02-20-2001, 01:54 AM
For MrsJim
I have read 3 articles lately on counting calories and how to figure how many calories you need per day. Mine come out to between 2500 -2700 to maintain my current weight. I eat between 1200-1500 per day and still gain. Any ideas? Current weight 207, Dr. goal 182. Thanks .

02-20-2001, 03:26 AM
Deb - thanks so much for your complements and for checking out my website!

djl1001 - I have a hard time releasing weight as well. Don't worry, it will come off - true permanent weight loss comes through PERSISTENCE and work! Meanwhile, are you keeping a journal of your food and exercise? Do you eat a good breakfast? Are you exercising at a high level of intensity (but not too high)? I suggest using ( to keep track of your food and exercise -- and it helps to write down your thoughts in a journal as well. Have you read "Make the Connection" by Bob Greene and Oprah Winfrey -- there's some really good common-sense advice in there! You may also want to check ( -- I don't watch the show myself (since I'm usually at work) but I've heard from MANY people how terrific her last three Tuesday shows with Dr. Phil were. Here are the links to the archive pages for those shows:

Part 1 -

Part 2 -

Part 3 -

And remember -- we're all here for you, with the same struggle! Keep it up - maybe tweak your diet a bit, add more fiber, fewer simple sugars - find an exercise you love and the weight will come off!


02-20-2001, 07:18 AM
I'm completely with all of you. Reading a bunch of post has gotten me interested reading the book everyone is talking about. ButI must say this works well for me, and its the cheapest way to lose weight. Oh, and I eat between 1500 and 2000 everyday. I believe moderate calorie intake is better than low calorie for me. I agree with MrsJim about eating close to what I'll be eating once I reach my goal.


"relax, it ain't as bad as it seems"

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11-24-2001, 01:14 PM
hi guys,
im very bummed. its taken me 8 days to lose 1/2 pound and thats after counting every last calorie. the good news is i think i finally found the reason i cant lose. it looks like ive got wts. ive been taking my temp for almost a month& it is typically 96. ive got alot of the symptoms of hypothyroid too. i thought i had that last year.

im tired of feeling lousy from it. im calling my doc on mon. for an appt so i can try to convince her ive got wts cuz the 1 doc that treats wts near me doesnt take my ins.

11-24-2001, 06:49 PM
does anyone know the calories in 1 sl of cicilian pizza with extra cheese& regular with extra cheese?

11-24-2001, 08:26 PM
hello all!
I too, am a calorie counter. I have lost 31.5 pounds this year but I need to lose a lot more! Coming to this site really helps me, when I don't post here my weight loss stalls, so I am back here with a vengence!! LOL ;)

I can lose weight eating 2000 calories a day so I am sticking with that. I figure when I reach goal I will still be eating 2000 a day to maintain my weight loss but now since I'm so heavy I can lose on this many calories.

For those who dont know how many calories to eat to lose or maintain their weight I suggest searching for websites that have basal metabolism calculators. they will ask for your weight height sex and activity level and compute an amount of calories that you need to eat each day to maintain and how much to eat to lose at a safe level.

good luck to us all!
313/281.5/160 final goal) 5'9 height

11-24-2001, 08:31 PM
congrats! i wish i could lose on 2000.... i have triouble losing on 14 or 15.

12-04-2001, 12:00 AM
thanks!! I guess not many people really post on this thread do they? I have a lot of weight to lose 100 pounds + so I can lose on that many calories.

12-04-2001, 12:29 AM
lots post on the sharing food diaries thread(lots of counters there!) in the buddu up forum, check it out

12-07-2001, 10:32 AM
Hi all,
This thread is similar to one I started called Doin' it the old fashioned way.
Ladies, listen up! Some of you are way too low on your calorie intake-it should never be below 1200 or you risk losing muscle and slowing your metabolism.

12-07-2001, 11:26 AM
Hi everyone! Glad you brought this up...
I count calories, and have lost enough to be at a very healthy weight for my height, but I've messed around so much in the past year or so, with dropping very very low to lose some more weight, that now I gain almost immediately if I go much above 1350 a day! I would advise anyone to stay at the very top of their losing calorie range - it's not much fun HAVING to stick to 1200 a day! If you can lose on 2000, I envy you! But stick at it - it's a good healthy number... The calculations I have done say I need well over 2300 to maintain... yet I gain at 1400 - and believe me, no sugar/fat etc etc tweaking is necessary! Oh well... look after yourselves! :wave:

12-07-2001, 12:25 PM
What you need to do to speed your metabolism back up is to slowly add more calories-maybe only 25-50 a day more each month-get your body used to eating again.
Also, are you doing any strength training? Muscle also burns more calories than fat. It sounds like you put your body in starvation mode and lost a lot of muscle mass-doing a double as far as metabolic slowdown goes.
Let me know what your current excercise is and I will try to help you. I know a lot about it.
Take care,
Also try drinking your 8 glasses of water with ice. The cold causes your body to burn calories to keep the body temperature regulated-it's not much, but any bit will help you it sounds like.

12-07-2001, 12:45 PM
Hi Aphil - Thanks for your reply...
BTW, excuse my quick response, I'm not stalking this board, I just e-mail notifications on my PC at work :lol:
It's a bit complicated for me, as I work 8-12 hours a day in an events management job, so I'm pretty sedentary when I'm stuck at work. Also, I'm moving to Hungary in mid-January, where I will absolutely not be able to afford to use a gym or go to classes - stuff like that out there is really expensive, as it's all so new, fashionable and 'western'... I plan to take some tapes with me, but it will be at least 6 weeks before I'm settled somewhere where I might have a VCR... hmmmmmm... so looks like lots of walking for the meantime :o
That aside... at the moment I do 30-40mins - in one go 5xweek fast walking (mostly cos I'm late for the train to work :lol: )
Plus 3-5 approx 60min sessions of other aerobic activity - elliptical, stationary bike, swimming, step class, rowing etc etc (you get the picture)...
Any classes I go to also have an element of strength training in them, and if I'm at the gym, I work on my legs and arms...
It's hard because I leave for work at 08.00 and don't get back until at least 19.00, so I walk in the mornings, and do the extras in the evenings after dinner and after work...
I have definitely messed my metabolism up - I went down to 137, and held there for about 6 months, then all of a sudden, in a matter of weeks, I was 146 again, and it's stuck! I don't look too bad, and my clothes fit OK, but I have noticed the difference, and would like to be heading back down into the 130s again before I go to Hungary, where things will be much trickier.
I have thought about using a supplement such as chitosan, or chromium, but have always stayed away, as I don't want to mess any more than I have... what do you think? Also... and here's the hypocondirac (sp) in me (!)... underactive thyroid??? Just can't shift this - I'm 23, 5ft 6, fit, active every day of the week, with the diet (bar the odd splurge) from heaven... :?:
BUT... I'm cold ALL THE TIME!!! It drives me nuts... I also have mild IBS triggered by too much wheat, dairy and sugar (although I don't have to cut these out at all), made better by peppermint oil caps...
I know I'm well within the healthy weight range for my height, and I wear a US size 7 on top, and a 8-9 on the bottom, so I suppose I shouldn't complain... but I was pleased with myself at 138Ib and would like to get back down there! Thanks for your help :wave:

12-07-2001, 01:01 PM
Rather than concentrating on the numbers, use your clothing size as your guide. Your current weight is actually good for your height. Your body may be saying enough is enough.
You can stay at 146 and still get smaller if you continue working out. That is why 5 people can weigh the same and all look different weights.
Concentrate more on your workouts-continue the strength training-and definitely take your tapes with you, and a jump rope for aerobic activity-it's light and travels well. It is also great for your thighs!
For instance my mother is a size 8-10 and weighs about 135, when I was 135 I wore a size 6-8 because I worked out a lot more and was more toned. Alas-those were the days! :lol: I'll be there again.....

12-07-2001, 01:05 PM
A jump rope! I never thought of that - I could use it in the flat too (hope I don't break the light fixtures :lol: )
Thanks for your help - I know you're right... I think most of this with most of us is our inability to accept and be proud of who we are :)
Thanks again :wave:

12-07-2001, 01:34 PM
hi becky,

its funny you mentioned thyroid b/c thats what came 2 mind when i read your other post b/c i mine is screwy, im going to the doc on the 20th.

ck out also. its diff from hypothyroid

also, i think chitosan is fine:) i use it.

12-07-2001, 05:22 PM

12-07-2001, 11:42 PM
You may want to reconsider using chitosan since you suffer from IBS-it may worsen your attacks-not fun when you are in public. Chromium is decent-do not take anything that has ephedra or ma huang-Like Metabolife. It is not a safe supplement.
If you are eating healthy, chitosan doesn't do all that much anyway-it can be useful if you are planning to eat something bad, but with IBS I wouldn't risk it.

12-08-2001, 10:35 AM
Good Morning everyone!

I have been a calorie counter since February 5th of this year. To date I've lost 65 pounds and have about 6 pounds to go. I've been on every conceivable program, pill, and powder out there for the last 20 years. This is the first sane thing I've done to get healthy and it is working!
There was a very active thread on calorie counting when I first came to this board. I dropped off after another member said some rather unkind things about me. She mostly posts on another thread now, so I would really like to join you again if that is ok. I've really been struggling the last three weeks. My oldest son is home on leave for the first time in almost 2 years and we have been hitting all of his favorite eating establishments. Because of this errant eating, I've put on 3 pounds.
This Tuesday is his last day here. He will go back to Montana and then overseas again. Saying goodbye is soooooo difficult. We had our Christmas with him last night. This is a very emotional time for me so I'll really have to reign myself in as far as the eating is concerned. Well, I've gone on enough. I'll look forward to reading your posts. Have a great weekend!


12-08-2001, 04:45 PM
I hope you will also post on my thread-Doin' it the old fashioned way-it is also for women calorie or weight watcher point counting and doing good old fashioned excercise.
We are a very supportive group.
I also wanted to get this thread going again-there are some nice girls here.
It seems it is a very emotional time for everyone-you can do this Ramona! Diet pills and gimmicks are not going to do this for us!

12-10-2001, 07:42 AM
Hi Everyone! Thanks for your replies - you're a really nice bunch of girls :D
Aphil - You've confirmed my reservations about chitosan... I'm not sure adding even MORE fibre would be a good idea :lol:
KD - That's what I was looking for... I don't want to sound like a 'wannabe sickie', but I know I've wrecked my metabolism... and I don't know anyone else who gets as cold as I do - doc's appointment coming up soon! Let me know how yours goes.
Ramona - I hope the people here aren't as awful to you as the group you found before :( Best of luck with everything - keep us posted!
See you later :wave:

12-10-2001, 10:08 AM
I am happy to say that I weighed in this morning, and have lost another pound for 3 total!
Ramona-kudos to what Becky said about the thread you were on before-I hope we are more supportive to you.:)

12-12-2001, 09:49 PM


becky- thanx:) i will. u too:)

12-12-2001, 10:23 PM
Another pound gone today!:D