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Lin S
08-30-2001, 06:17 PM
Hi, Turtle Buddies,

Here it is - my "official" version of the fable:

The Hare and the Tortoise

A hare met a tortoise one day and made fun of him for the slow and clumsy way in which he walked.

The tortoise laughed and said, "I will run a race with you any time that you choose."

"Very well," replied the hare, "we will start at once."

The tortoise immediately set off in his slow and steady way without waiting a moment or looking back. The hare, on the other hand, treated the matter as a joke and decided to take a little nap before starting, for she thought that it would be an easy matter to overtake her rival.

The tortoise plodded on, and meanwhile the hare overslept herself, with the result that she arrived at the winning-post only to see that the tortoise had got in before her.

Moral: Slow and steady wins the race.

This comes from a book handed down from my grandmother to my mother to me. The book is so old it doesn't have a copyright date or an author/editor's credit.

That fable has been the motivation for us turtles for about two years. Someone on the ancient WW forum mentioned the fable and I discovered it was very motivational for me. I talked about it in posts and other people said that the tortoise philosophy worked for them, too. So, I started a thread for us turtle types.

We work toward accepting that our bodies have a natural speed of weight loss when we choose to live a healthy life, instead of "going on a diet". Many of us have experienced "the diets" as go on/lose weight-- go off/ gain the weight plus more back.

We choose to perservere with each choice we make throughout the day. We believe that choosing to be slow, steady turtles helps us to learn the skills we need to learn in order to not only lose the weight, but keep it off and become the healthiest people we can be.

So, welcome to all who realize that losing and maintaining a weight loss is a lifestyle change. And who want support as we all learn the skills we need to successfully make the changes that will allow us to reach our goals.

Happy turtlin', everyone! :cool:


Lin S
08-30-2001, 06:46 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Kimmers, there are no words to express how your post made me feel. I'm so sorry about your loss.

OTOH-congratulations on finding and qualifying for that house. It will be ready for that family, when it finally happens.

It's amazing that you can do WW with all of these changes in your life. Here's the closest thing to a hug I can give you from here-- {hug} !

Lauren, your comment about it being a happy kind of grief when your kids grow up and leave is true. At least in terms of my oldest son. I'm not dealing quite as well with my youngest son because he's barely 17. I know that he's living in a family situation, but I really wasn't ready to let him go yet. If it were next year, after he graduated from high school, I'd have been able to deal with it. He's coming home tomorrow for the Labor Day weekend. I'm looking forward to having him here for a few days.

It's interesting about your body fat going down. All that exercise is paying off. The pounds themselves will come down, too, I'm sure.

I'm looking forward to hearing about your meeting. I like to read what people are talking about in their meetings. It gives me things to think about as I consider how I'm making this journey a part of my life.

Judy, good luck with this coming school year. What grade do you teach? I had thought about becoming a teacher when Chris was in kindergarten. I chose not to because the bureaucracy drives me crazy as a parent. I doubt I could manage to work under the conditions you guys are stuck with and it's getting worse with all of those new standardized tests being forced on everyone.

Your meeting topic report was very interesting to me. It's the story of my life right now. I keep going back and forth about what I want to do with the next half of my life. It's a broader perspective than what WW was thinking about, but there it is, nonetheless. I'm so glad for so many things ijn my life being fixed. The rest of my family seems to be doing really well. Now, I have to get a handle on the best way to spend my time or I will go crazy, drive my dh crazy and be worse off than I am now!

It all really boils down to that same thing that's been a sore point since last November. I want to go home. But without doubling our family's income, that's not going to happen. So, I have to figure out what to do with myself without moving. I can't do a lot about the cooking thing because I haven't been able to find a job. The CIA requires specific types of work experience and I haven't been able to find any in this area. I'd need to commute to Monterey or the Bay Area. That's not going to happen unless I manage to get a car.

So, I'm looking and if I find anything, I'll go for it. In the meantime, I'm continuing to write. That keeps me sane. And maybe I'll manage to make it through a whole book and figure out how to make it saleable. If the quality of writing I've been seeing on the web sites for writers is any indication of what gets sent to publishers these days, I can see why getting published is so hard. I wouldn't want to have to read that stuff, either. So, I understand why publishers don't want to see work from people who aren't represented by agents. I'm not worrying about that, though. I just want to stick with one story long enough to finish it. My brain tends to come up with ideas for one story for a while and then it comes up with ideas for another and then it starts a completely new one. It's frustrating to have that as a natural way of working because it seems like nothing will ever be finished. But I'm hanging in there and working a little bit here and there, looking for whichever of my ideas will stick in my head long enough to get done with that first draft. And stuff gets added to one story, then another, eventually one has to get enough stuff added to be finished, right? LOL!

I'm still debating about doing a web site. I have time, but I can see that a successful one can take over your life. I keep reading about the problems some of the people who have large sites go through and I'm not sure I want to do that. I probably won't unless this forum closes down and the Turtles need a new home. I'm not willing to give up my turtle buddies, either.

Happy turtlin'! :cool:


Lauren H
08-30-2001, 08:19 PM
Kimmers, here is another {{{{{HUG}}}}}}. How heartbreaking. I have a few friends who've also gone through that experience, and I've seen how hard it can be. Even though we can't be with you in person, know that we're here for you in spirit and prayers.

And congratulations on that house. I love historic houses. Ours is from the 1920s, so it doesn't have quite as much character as yours. My brother's is from the 1800s, though. Just wonderful. I hope you have many happy years there.

Judy, good luck with the new school year! Hard to believe it's that time again. I'm trying to remember what you teach?

Lin, the main thing I remember about my WW meeting this week was Pam standing up front with a calendar and asking "When is a good time to lose weight?" Then she went through each month of the calendar and found reasons why that month wouldn't be good. January -- well, there are New Year's parties and then there's the superbowl. February has Valentine's Day, so forget that. March -- you *have* to have green beer on St. Paddy's day, so let's look at April -- whoops, there's Easter. How about May ...

And so on. The bottom line: there's no good time to lose weight. You just have to do it anyway, in spite of all the obstacles life throws at you. Find ways to work around those obstacles. One woman was in a panic because she has four parties this weekend with her husband's Polish family, and she doesn't know how she's going to make it. She was literally in tears. She has been extremely strict thus far, so she's afraid of being derailed. The old diet mentality. It was great to see all the wonderful suggestions people had for her and all the support everyone gave her. We see that here online, of course, but seeing it in person was powerful.

Anyway. My news: I'm being laid off tomorrow. Finally. This will be layoff number 10 for my company in 2001. Obviously, the company isn't going to make it. I'm glad to be getting out while there's still severance pay. I'm a little concerned about the future, but I believe we'll be OK. This is coming at a good time financially for us. And there's this other company that wants me to come work for them, even though they can't pay me yet. A bit risky, but we'll see.

I'd really, really like to take some time off before doing anything, though.

Onward and downward,


08-30-2001, 10:06 PM
Oh dear. I am so sorry for you. Can you feel my hug joining the others? This is probably the toughest saddest thing in the world and I am so proud of you for coming through this with your spirit intact. I am very happy that you qualified for a house and that it is all taken care of. It sounds beautiful.

How weird to say I'm glad you are finally laid off. This way you'll have your severance pkg. and a chance to see what you'd like to do next. You are wise to be open to all your options before you hop into the next position. Good luck with your choices.

Here's a hug for you. You sure have had a lot of turmoil in your life lately, and yet look at how well so much of it has gone.
I think I understand about your boys being out of your home prematurely. When my youngest went to college she returned home for the first summer and then got an apartment and worked and went to school through the summers as well so she never returned to us after that. I missed her hilarity and spunk and just plain having her around. I guess the best I can do is to remind you that life is made up of many changes. Some we initiate and some just happen. I know you'll come to terms with what is going on, but in the meantime it can be tough. I was wondering if you had continued to write. I think it's fabulous that you have so many ideas. I find it easy to write poetry, but every time I attempt a short story, I get bogged down and can't figure out a way to make it exciting or interesting. So, I wish you well in your projects. It's great you are working on figuring out WW as well.

We miss you. How's everything going?

I've not had an easy time with this weight loss business, but I'm back on program 100% today. As I said I went to WW, but didn't weigh in. I had a high point day yesterday. Today has been great, and my points are gone for today. If I have to, I'll borrow a couple from tomorrow.
A couple of you asked about my teaching. I used to be a home economics teacher a long time ago. I was excessed from that position and had dual certification so I am now teaching second grade. The youngsters I teach are about 7 or 8 years old and if this year's class is anything like last year's, I'll be very lucky. I'll be back at work on Tuesday. Sat. we have a barbecue to go to and I think I'll bring fruit or a veggie platter. WW is always on my mind. I am getting better because when I am happy I am able to eat correctly. When my emotions sink, then I have food problems.
Since this is a learning experience, I'm trying to learn a little more quickly than I had been. I am aiming to break 200 # by Christmas. That would be quite a gift to give myself.
Since I did so well in losing my first 10% I am considering dropping my membership in WW and rejoining in the same week so that I'll officially start on a new 10%. What do you think?
All you lovely turtles keep on writing. Kimmers, you're in my prayers==you all are. Take care.

08-31-2001, 10:22 AM
Kimmers, I'm sorry to hear your sad news. Add my hug to the others, and know that we're all here for you. If nothing else, at least you can know that we're here, and we can at least listen. Congratulations on getting your house, though. When your family comes to you, you'll have a home to raise it in.

Lauren, congratulations on getting fired! I know you've been waiting for that for a long time, and thank goodness you can get out when the company is still relatively viable. You're in a great position of the other company wanting you straight away, too.

DH has an interview on monday with a man who was VERY impressed with him on the phone, so we have our fingers very tightly crossed. This man used to be a music teacher, the guitar, and one of DH's premier sites is a guitar/music theory site! YAY! So we're very hopeful.

I'm working two jobs right now and classes start on tuesday (I am taking, among other things, Organic Chemistry and Physiology), so I'm being vigilant about getting my sleep when I can, trying to make healthy choices and just holding on the best I can. I expect to collapse when DH is finally working--maybe I'll just take a couple of days off? What an idea, two days in a row off!

Anyway, I'm off to the gym before work, I'll check back later.

Lin S
08-31-2001, 12:04 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Lauren, I really liked what your leader had to say about the right time to lose weight. It seems obvious that the only effective answer to that question is that the right time is now. Especially when you consider that you can only take action now. The past is gone and the future isn't here yet. Now is all we have.

That's so much easier said than done, though. We humans seem to have a tendency to dwell on the past too much. In our minds we let what we did yesterday determine our choices for right now. Then we look ahead and see the mountain of weight looming and get discouraged because we can't seem to make that mountain smaller. But if we could just do our program right now, the mountain would get smaller and our past would be full of successes we can draw upon to help determine our future.

Congrats on being laid off, finally. It really feels weird after what we've just been through to be congratulating someone on losing her job, but it's better not to get sunk with the ship.

Judy, I think it's great that you write poetry. It's interesting to me how many of the people over the years who have been in this club pursue some kind of writing. Good luck with those second graders.

Mousie, you have my prayers and good vibes for your dh getting that job. Do take that time off. You need and deserve it after all the hard work you've been doing. Organic Chemistry and Physiology at the same time. I always liked science. My first major in college was Chemistry. (I never quite got calculus, which put the kibosh on that idea.) But I can't imagine doing two heavy science courses at one time.

My mental state is much better since TOM and with Chris coming home for a visit. I'm hoping to convince my dh to take a drive to SJ every Sunday and pick him up to spend some time with us. We can't do Saturday because Chris has bowling practice and he doesn't like having an audience. We go to his tournaments.

It will allow us to keep in touch with Chris. He's not one for informative emails or long phone conversations. If we can spend some personal time on a regular basis with him, we will be better able to know how his final year at school, his bowling, his life is going.

So, I'm feeling more able to do more about my weight now that things are a bit calmer. I know that in the past I have been able to do everything I want except getting regular exercise. I always give up on that. So, that's what I want to focus on first, adding exercise to my life.

Happy turtlin'! :D


08-31-2001, 01:46 PM
Hi Turtlesss...Iam back...I have just been lurking the last few days, feeling totally depressed regarding not really being on program, and embarrassed too. I don't know why changing my eating habits is such a hard job for me...Sometimes I think I have a defective brain!!! Don't know how good this weekend will be..Going to half a womens retreat at church (they go on fri, I will come for breakfast on Sat casue of my work schedule) and there will be munchies.I know I don't have to eat this stuff, but weither I want to is another question. I know Sunday could be the start of a new week for me... I am think about getting all my cookbooks out and actually planning my menus for the week. I am planning to start hitting the gym heavy duty next week so I am sure that will help. Oh well, I will do this..(I am not weighing in now since I lost my tickets..If I rejoin next month, I will do the every week thing...)

Kimmers I am so sorry about the baby, I do hope you feel all our "HUGS". I have never been thru that but I think I know how you would feel. I loved my babies the moment I found out they were there. and to lose one even so young, is heart breaking...And some people say that little cell is not alive..Then why do so many mothers have there heart broken when they lose them??? Please give your husband a big hug from us too. Sometimes people ignore the husband, that it is only a wife /mother thing, but he lost something too. Tell him we are hugging him too.

Congradulations on the house. I will never forget when we got ours...It was a very wonderful day. We saw a house, *(it was next door to a freinds who had just move in) and got to see it couse the man had died) we saw it the first day the relatives had it on the market and when My dh asked how much, the lady said 74,000 Jim said where do we sign ??? he didn't even ask me..He just said yes..It was a good move..Since he got hurt on the job, and we had a cal vet loan, we have our housepayment paid by some ins co..If we didn't have it..we would be hurting trying to come up with a house payment..And renting??? it would be like knowing we would never never get ahouse..not with him not working and being disabled...So I am glad you got such a nice old big house...

Lauren..Congrats on getting laid off. Boy that sounds funny. Enjoy this time while you are off. Some lady at work is trying to chage the way we do things and 2 ladies job will be phased out.. My boss said I would be phased back to er, but it means for me, no more weekends off, which is ok, but i still like the shift the way it is..I keep praying the managers do not listen to this women...The 2 people who this will really effect are nice people..

Too the rest of you turtle..You keep going!!! and that esp means me!!!I know that!!!

I will on Monday and tell you I started being op..


08-31-2001, 07:18 PM
WOO, Turtles, I just had to let you know! I got home from work today and DH informed me that ANOTHER company had called, and done a phone interview, and they will be calling next week to schedule for him to come to the office! When it rains it pours! :dizzy:

Lauren H
08-31-2001, 10:04 PM
Mousie, seems like that's always the case -- you hear nothing forever, then suddenly you get inundated. I'm sending good thoughts your way for your DH and you. It's a tough job market out there, but I don't need to tell any of you that!

Judy, second grade! Oh, good for you! And yes, cracking the 200 mark will be an incredible gift to ourselves, whenever we get there. I'm still aiming for Christmas, and that has given me the motivation I've been needing. I got in a whopping five hours of exercise this week! :eek: Who *is* this person impersonating Jane Fonda, anyway??

Harley, let me give you some absolutely free advice: no matter how embarrassed you get about not being on program, keep coming here anyway. Take if from the original scenic-route gal: coming here regularly (or going to meetings) may not peel the pounds off in record time, but it will go a long ways toward keeping you from going hog wild and gaining it all back. I can honestly say if it weren't for these boards, I would be in a far worse position today. Maybe even right back up to 279 again. You all keep me remembering my goals, even during periods when I just don't feel like remembering them. Stick with us, Harley. And shake it up; do something new to give yourself the kick in the butt or the motivation you need (whichever you find more helpful). For me, it has been two things: going back to meetings, and aiming for 199 wholeheartedly. Both of these things have inspired me and made me remember why I want to do this.

Lin, you make an interesting point about how we set patterns that determine our next steps. The past certainly does affect what choices we make right now. That's why baby steps are so effective. They help us rebuild trust in ourselves by helping us rebuild a chain of successes to build on. "OK, I walked for 20 minutes each day this week. So today, I think I'll go for another walk. Tomorrow I'll aim for 30 minutes."

That's also why each decision we make is so important. A woman in my group made and ate an entire pan of brownies this past week, pretty much within a day or two. It was a stressful week, and that's how she dealt with it. So the next time she runs into stress, she can look back and see what she did in the past -- eat a pan of brownies. Then she'll have to make a decision: does she do the familiar, comfortable remedy for stress and make another pan of brownies, knowing that although it's only temporary relief, it's what she knows? There's a lot of power in what's familiar to us, what we've always done. Or does she do something new, when she's already stressed out? Most of us turn to old behaviors when we're under stress; it's natural. That's one reason it's so important to build new responses to stress and make *those* familiar, so they're easier to fall back on in times of need. It takes going through some discomfort initially, but ultimately we build new habits, new fallback mechanisms that actually help us instead of hurt us. So maybe this week, instead of brownies, she'll go for a brisk walk or take a bubble bath or call a friend.

One of the reasons losing weight is so hard is that we have so MANY habits like these, so many ways of coping that involve food, and we're not just breaking ONE of those habits -- we're having to break EACH ONE. My previous WW leader asked us this: When do you overeat? What leads to your overeating? We came up with a list of at least 50 things. She waved at the list and said "THIS is why losing weight is so hard. You're not just eliminating one or two unhealthy behaviors that you've got accustomed to. You're eliminating ALL these."

She's right. That's why it's a journey, a process, and why zipping through on a diet just doesn't address all those behaviors. As each opportunity turns up, you deal with it. Some behaviors show up every day; some don't show up until halfway through the year and surprise you. And you win some battles and you lose others. The one who keeps fighting wins.

OK, I'm getting long-winded here. The layoff today was strange, and I'm a bit emotional about it all. I'm having to force myself not to worry about money right now. A group of us are going to the unemployment office next week, which should make that more enjoyable. I'm feeling pretty fried, but I do think ultimately this will be good. And hey, I'm still within my points.

Have a great weekend, everyone.


Lin S
09-01-2001, 07:44 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Woohoo, Mousie. I'm so glad to hear about your dh. We found that to be true, too. We've had more people call about resumes we sent after Paul found a job than in the whole three months he was looking!. So, I've got my fingers, toes, arms, eyes, whatever, crossed for you. :lol:

Kathy, Lauren is absloutely correct. If it weren't for the turtles I'd probably have gained back every one of those pounds I'd lost. Because my motivation, like most people's, comes and goes. I work really hard for a while, then something happens and I start slipping back into old habits. But I keep coming here and it makes me think about what's happening in my life. So far, I haven't given up completely, which is what happened before I started coming to the various weight loss support sites and founded the turtle club.

They help me to keep focused. And no one here will ever put you down or get on your case for slipping up. We all know that the key to getting back OP is to forgive yourself and move past the slipup. Start over. Do what you can. We all know that we are all human and we all have to take this journey in our own way.

Lauren, I'm saving that post. It's definitely not too long-winded because it's so stuffed with great observations and advice. Have fun at the unemployment office. (not!) In CA, they do it all by phone now. Great going on staying within points and getting in your exercise. Do you think it helped that you knew about the layoff in advance?

I never thought about the need to change so many behaviors in order to lose weight. Maybe I've been going about this in a way that's not as effective as it could be. Maybe what I need to do is to observe my behavior patterns and choose just one to work on. I often have a tendency to get super enthusiastic and take on too much at once. That's why I really love baby steps. It keeps that tendency under control and helps me to deal better with this program and the rest of my life, too.

I really want to get going on exercise, but I really cannot do much without new shoes. I've been having some problems and I realized that my shoes are about 4-5 years old, and those old worn out things are the cause of my aches when I walk or do videos. Unfortunately, about the only shoes that really fit well for me are Easy Spirits. After getting Chris set up with school expenses, etc., it's going to be next month before I can even afford to go to the Easy Spirit outlet store in Gilroy and check for cheap bargains. Too bad I don't have a bike or some roller skates! I'm hoping the weather will stay warm enough to do some swimming, once TOM is past. And that they don't close the pool for winter before I get my shoes!

The good news is that my whole family will be together on Monday for a while. David is visiting friends in the Bay Area and Chris is here for the holiday. So, we're picking David up Monday morning and taking the whole family out for brunch, before we have to take Chris back to his other family.

I'm feeling a whole lot better than I was earlier in the week. I had a real crisis of self-confidence this week. It was partly hormones. But the hormones mostly bring out the feelings I've been avoiding facing. They don't cause them. It was also that I hadn't dealt very well with the really nasty stuff my mother said last month. I had a really long talk with my wonderful DH about this and he (insensitive techie he usually is) actually understood. So did both of my sons, who assured me that raising them was not a waste of my life up to now. They both, for different reasons, think day care would not have worked for them. We thought so, too, which is why I stayed home instead of juggling career and motherhood.

Well, now I must pursue something worthwhile or go nuts. So, I'm pursuing my writing. My biggest issue right now is what kind of book to write. I'm leaning toward romance because they are so much more open to new writers. And reading the darn things are a secret vice of mine. I adore happy endings!

I'm also going to keep up with cooking contests and do some of those. It certainly can be a great hobby and may give me some credibility fo selling cookbooks or magazine articles. Unfortunately, most food mags don't accept freelance articles.

Gotta go. I promised Chris the computer at 4, when I need to start dinner, and I have some other stuff I want to do.

Happy turtlin'! ;)


09-02-2001, 10:25 AM
Hi all!
You don't even know it and yesterday you saved me from messing up being OP again. I had posted earlier in the week that I had a barbecue on Sat. I was just about to send my dh out to pick up a bakery cake when I reread our posts on this site.
Well, in black and white I had planned to bring veggies or fruit.
Hmmm, so I put my money where my mouth is instead of buying a yummy dessert and I ran to the grocer and got some cut up veggies. I put them on a glass plate with a dip I made up quickly from ffyogurt and a little ffmayonnaise. It looked very pretty, the hostess was thrilled, and so were the guests because the whole thing went really fast. I got myself over there and although I had some of the other hors douerves, I mostly had veggies. It also helped my mindset because if I had brought the cake, all signs would have told me that I intended to overeat and go off program. So--by seeing what I had promised myself, I was reminded to do the right thing. I am sure yesterday was a highpoint day, but still OP and that is a very good thing.

Lots going on here!

That is wonderful that your dh has two places interested in him.
I've got everything crossed and am sending prayers and good vibes your way. Thanks for posting and keep on keeping on!
I took physiology and chem in college. I give you credit for tackling these courses. What is your degree going to be in? You have a very full plate with working and getting your studies in.
Way to go! I think that these extra effort times always pay off.
Good luck!

Enjoy your time with Chris and Dave and dh. Wasn't that wonderful of them to tell you that what you've done as a stay at home mom benefitted them and they're happy you're their mom.
That's very sweet of them and had to make you feel great. I'm so glad they were open enough and in touch with their feelings enough to be able to talk with you about it. It's fabulous to have that boost to your confidence when family members tell you you've done the right thing!

It's hard to do, but when you're having trouble with WW and staying OP is *exactly* when you need to write more often. I struggle with that too and usually write after I've done a lot of damage. But you know what? We're all good people and deserve to be thin. The support here is great and sometimes what one of the turtles has written is exactly what we need to see at that time of our lives. Let's make an agreement that when we aren't doing what we want to do, that we'll write about it and ask for help. I know the support will flow from this group. You do *not* have a defective brain. What you are going through is what all of us have gone through. It feels awful, but you can do this. I have an idea that might be tough to follow. I know you lost a lot of money when you lost your WW tickets, but how about re-joining now rather than waiting until the tickets paid for time is over? Make believe you never had them and rejoin. Pay what you have to and put the loss in the past. That way you won't regain weight and you'll be on the right track. Think about it. And I wish you a lot of luck!

I love your WW's recap and thoughts. It really is food for thought.LOL. You're right. When you think about the holidays, birthdays, anniversaries, and other reasons to eat out or bake special things--it's constant. We live in a time of plenty and have to use our own restraints to get where we want to be. Good luck with your head regarding the layoffs. If it's any consolation, you did outlast nine layoffs. Try to remember that it's the work situation, not you and that you did a great job for this company.
Try to enjoy this time you have available to yourself.

Let's keep on keepin' on in the turtles' way! Making progress every day and keeping a steady pace.
234/thinner and aiming for 199#;)

Lin S
09-04-2001, 01:16 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Judy, it always makes us feel good knowing that posting our own struggles and insights helps someone else. Thanks for sharing how this little club helped you last weekend. Way to go with staying OP!

It was great having Chris home last weekend and having our whole family together for a few hours yesterday. It was also great that my aunt, uncle, and brother happened to be at my mother's. We took the boys to see her for a while since she hadn't seen them lately.

I had some thoughts about this journey this weekend I'd like to share, for what they're worth. Recently we talked about how the past sets us up for making the choices we make today. And how sometimes we let the part of the past that didn't work make our choices instead of the part that brought success.

Along those lines, I realized that building good habits and creating effective routines really helps keep me on track. But, if I let it get too routine, I get bored and start slipping. Sometimes I get into a rut and then this feels like a diet and I get off track. What I need to do is to figure out which things must stay the same in order to be successful and which things I should mix up a bit in order to keep it interesting.

I also thought about how those habits, because they're new and I have to think about them all the time, can start to feel like hard work. People prefer to follow habits they don't have to think about, which is one reason that we keep slipping back to the ones we followed for the longest time, even if they don't work. The challenge here is to keep that feeling of newness that charges us with enthusiasm.

It seems to me that the first day is always the one that makes me feel the most energized. Somehow, I think there has to be a balance here between doing what I can to keep that first day feeling every day and building up a pattern of success to draw upon that will help to keep me going. Perhaps, I need to keep today's tracking page separate from the pages from yesterday and the day before, and so on. I don't know what the answer is, but somehow there has to be a way to maintain that motivation, even if the rest of my life has gone haywire or through whatever situation comes up that causes me to get off track.

One thing that's really interesting that's been going on in my life lately is that since I stopped counting points, I've become very aware of portion sizes. When I was counting points, I routinely put one portion on my plate and ate it all to make sure I got in all of those planned points. But, I'm noticing that I'm often full after eating less than what WW considers one portion. So, I'm paying attention to how much makes me full. If it's less than one portion, so be it. I'll eat less. I can always eat the rest later, if I get hungry.

When I go back to counting points, I don't want to fall back into the trap of eating everything on my plate just because that's how many points I planned. I want to relearn what satisfied is and that it's OK to leave food on my plate. I need to do this because I've noticed that I've also fallen back into the habit of eating too much in restaurants, even when dh and I share a meal. The thing is that half of a restaurant meal is usually too much, too.

So, my current goals are to continue with the water and calcium. Continue to cook low-fat meals. To put half portions on my plate and stop if I get full, or eat a bit more if I need to at that meal. And to exercise at least a little every day. I'm going to try to get dh to go for a walk after dinner with me, but I'm also going to do one more exercise session on my own during the day. I got my shoes. Some stuff I'd budgeted for didn't cost as much as I thought it would, so I managed to afford that new pair of shoes. Yay!

Gotta go. Talk to you all later. Hope all of you, lurkers, too, are doing well and that you had a great holiday.

Happy turtlin'! ;)


Lauren H
09-04-2001, 09:59 PM
Judy, thanks for the kind thoughts re: my layoff. Apparently if I hadn't been so vocal about wanting to be laid off, I would not have been laid off for at least another month. But they finally did listen to me. Today I had to file for unemployment; what a fiasco! I have to go to yet another place to complete the application and get a card stamped, *then* I'll be done. Sheesh.

Way to go on that veggie plate!! Talk about making a wonderful choice. And it doesn't surprise me a bit that it was so popular. Everyone is watching their weight these days, and it's great to find something healthy to eat at a party.

Hooray on the new shoes, Lin!! I'm so glad you got them. My feet have started to bother me the past couple days, and DH says it's because I've upped my exercise and my shoes are wearing out. So I tried on shoes today, too, but nothing felt right. That's a great idea to get DH to exercise with you.

Your ruminations about habits parallel what my WW leader said today. She suggested that we each journal not only what we eat but also what habits we're doing. At the end of the week, we're supposed to isolate three habits we don't want to be doing anymore. Then we're supposed to focus on just one habit, and over the next three weeks work on substituting a new, more healthy habit. She reiterated that it takes 21 days to entrench a new habit.

I feel like I've been changing so many of my habits this past year that I'm not sure which new ones to focus on. I can think of a few, but they're not weight related. One is that I'd like to spend a certain amount of time every day doing something creative -- probably writing, maybe something else. To do that, I'll need to see where I'm spending my time. This week is a bit tough because we've got company (DH's mother is here, then Friday I have a friend arriving for the weekend). But after that ...

I'm down 2.4 pounds this week. That's nice, but it's not as big as it sounds; I gained 1.8 last week with TOM. So I'm really down slightly less than a pound. Whatever; I'll take it. I FINALLY lost the weight I gained after my vacation last May! So I'm a pound from virgin fat territory.

I worked out 5 hours this past week and banked 18 points (basically used all my regular points but not my exercise points).

The exercise is really starting to show in my measurements, though. And today, I went to Kohl's and on a whim tried on a size XL jacket (not in the plus size department). It fit beautifully!! I didn't buy it since I need to watch our spending, but it sure felt good! Last week I bought two pairs of pants in a size 18W. They were tight, but I plan to wear them on vacation so I'll remember to eat moderately. It feels so good to finally be able to walk into the Misses section and try something on and see it fit!! To go from a size 30 to a size 18 is just a wonderful feeling and VERY motivating.

Onward and downward,

279/217.4/199 by Christmas (WW numbers)

Lin S
09-05-2001, 01:42 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Congratulations, Lauren, on that wonderful combination of inches and that pound or so. It must feel really good to be able to fit in clothing from the regular size department.

I think it's interesting how often the skills we're developing to lose weight are the same skills we need to accomplish other things in our lives. For example, you deciding to add more creativity to your life.

A lot of life is a matter of building habits that move us toward what we want. A lot of people never get what they want because they never think about their habits, how they spend their time, and so on. It's really difficult to be fat in this culture, as we all know. But sometimes I'm glad for it just because of the things I've learned that I might not have learned if I were a naturally thin person. (Given a choice in the matter, though, I'd naturally choose to be that thin person, but, since I'm not, I'd better make the most of what I am.)

Things are going OK for me. It's so weird walking past my kids room because it's so empty. But it feels better now that I've seen how settled they are and how well they're both doing.

As far as this weight loss journey goes, I've been pretty much accomplishing what I want to accomplish. My dh has agreed to start walking with me, but he wants to start next week. Which is OK with me. I can do some exercise on my own this week. But I am more likely to stick with an exercise program, long term, if I have a partner or take a class than if I do it on my own.

Hope you all are doing well.

Happy turtlin'! :D


09-05-2001, 10:39 PM
Lin and Lauren,
You've been so philosophical lately. I love it. I keep rereading your posts and taking the ideas that pertain to me and I try to make them work.
In the meantime, be creative, glad you got new shoes and will start an exercise program. You guys are great.

Kimmers and Harley and Mousie--hi to you all and good luck to all the lurkers.

I'm doing really fine. I just got off the treadmill. Didn't knock myself out, but did a mile which is a lot better than nothing. Went to WW today and asked my leader for a new weight recording book. My idea is that I'll start today to establish and work on a new 10% weight loss. My leader is so great she even calculated it and wrote my new goal in my book. That feels great.
I wasn't happy with my number on the scale, but last week I wouldn't even weigh in, and now I am attending the five o'clock instead of the morning meeting. With me that counts for two pounds up above my morning weight. So--I know I had a good week and even got on the treadmill once. I am going to have another good week. I packed my lunch and water for tomorrow.
Onward and downward! I am journaling every day and planning for those days when I need more points. I'm lightening up on the Wendie's Plan a bit because I didn't follow through enough with it.
Now I plan to get some exercise in by hook or crook.

You guys do well. Take care. The WW topic today was "When and what are you eating without even realizing you're eating?"
For example, while on phone, while cleaning up after dinner, when preparing supper, when shopping in places that offer tiny tidbits of food for free, etc. It's a great topic to think about. I feel closer to the answer of reducing my weight than I have ever been. Let's do this!
Love ,

Lauren H
09-06-2001, 12:21 PM
Judy, it's great to see all these positive steps you're taking. I love the idea of aiming for your next 10 percent and writing it down as a goal. What a good idea. And way to go with that mile on the treadmill! Woo-hoo! Is there anything that makes the treadmill enjoyable for you -- TV, music, reading, books on tape? I find I stick with my exercise routine far more if it doesn't just feel like routine. That's why I'm so enjoying these Richard Simmons tapes, because I feel like I'm dancing at a party.

Lin, you're so right -- this is about more than just weight loss. The habits and new coping mechanisms I'm developing have far-reaching implications for other areas of my life, too. I find as I bring one area under control and start to see success, I'm more likely to extend that to other areas of my life, too. Like setting time aside to write every day, I hope.

Yesterday I tried doing Pilates again. I think I've finally found a tape that's at about my level -- or at least gives me something achieveable to aim for. My stomach muscles hurt a little today, but I think that's probably a good thing.

My feet have started to hurt a bit from all the extra exercise, which is why I'm switching to Pilates some days instead of aerobics.

This isn't official because it was just a weigh-in at home rather than at WW, but I still want to tell the Turtles ... yesterday I finally hit VIRGIN FAT TERRITORY!!! My scales said 213.5, a weight I've never seen while on WW. I'm so happy. That's nearly 13 pounds lost since I started back at WW, although that's a skewed number since I artificially pumped up that initial weigh in (wearing shoes, drinking lots of water before getting on the scales, etc.). It's probably more like 9 pounds off, which still makes me very happy.

Well, today I'm off to finish applying for unemployment benefits. Have a wonderful, healthful, productive day, everyone. Be good to yourselves, and keep working toward achieving your dreams.

Onward and downward,

274/213.5/199 by Christmas (my scale in the a.m.)

Lin S
09-06-2001, 02:21 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Hey, Judy, great work on that treadmill. Exercise is so important and yet it seems to be the most difficult habit for us to add to our lives.

I love the idea of starting over, in a sense, by setting a new 10% goal. I think breaking your weight loss goals into little pieces, like a new 10%, can help make it doable.

I don't think it will matter much whether you follow the Wendie Plan or just stick within your point range. The important thing is that you do this in a way that you can live with.

Lauren, tell us a bit about Pilates. It really appeals to me, but I haven't tried it yet. Also, I agree with you about Richard Simmons. It does feel like you're dancing at a party. I like to hum along with the songs on the warmups when I'm not working too hard to sing.

Super congrats on that virgin fat territory! It's so great to see you rewarded for all of that hard work you've been putting in.

I've been mulling over my options for how best to spend my time, as you all know. I've explored a lot of options and the one that I want the most is to write my stories. I still would like to pursue cooking, but that's not feasible right now and it's really a secondary dream in my life. My first memory of wanting to write for a living was when I was ten years old. I think I'd thought about it before that, but it was the first time I remember writing a story that wasn't a class assignment. I didn't think about cooking until I was in my thirties.

So, I've decided that I have to "hire myself" as a writer. I plan to organize my life the way I did when I was working, but "go to work" in front of my computer or at the dining room table. (Some of my stuff I write longhand and some on the computer.) I plan to "pay myself" by setting aside a little money for things like books from my list of books I want to read but couldn't afford while dh was out of work, some new dishes at the Noritake outlet in Gilroy, exercise videos, and other things to treat myself.

Now, I have to get my dh to wrap his brain around the concept and help out the way he did when I was getting paid to do work for the brain dead. He agrees with the concept and thinks I'm a good enough writer to be publishable. I think if I work really hard and show him that I'm serious, I can gradually get him to pick up the slack like he does when I'm doing paid work. I hope that eventually, it will be paid work, but if I don't take it seriously enough, it never will be.

I've been pleased with my eating habits the past few days. I've been doing something a bit different, as I mentioned. I've been eating what I want within the guidelines of good nutrition. And paying a lot of attention to when I'm full and when I'm hungry. I've been eating really small portions and eating about every 2-3 hours.

I've been noticing that since I'm not feeling so stressed and it's not PMS I've not been tempted to overeat. So, this little experiment has helped me to see what my main causes of overeating are. That gives me something to work on. Two things -- What to do when I'm stressed. And my PMS issues. I'm doing better with the latter. Last month, after being really strict with my calcium, etc., I only had 2 days of really bad PMS eating. So, that seems to be the key for me until I get medical insurance and can get that checkup I so badly need.

Hope you all are doing great today.

Happy turtlin'! :)


09-07-2001, 12:27 PM
Hi turtle friends,

Thanks again for all your good thoughts. I went to my meeting on Saturday and lost 3.5 and told my leader about the miscarriage. Even though I got another 5-lb star (56.5 pounds off) I didn't have her announce it because I didn't want to make a big deal about it.

I haven't been doing too well this week - haven't been journaling at all and haven't been exercising, although I did get some in while we were camping in the Adirondacks this past weekend. It was a great trip and I only had two s'mores and few other little treats, so hopefully I'll stay the same. I think I can do better next week, once I'm totally back in my routine. I'm trying to do well today. I see the doctor on Monday and once I get a clean bill of health from him, I think I'll feel better.

I'm happy to hear that everyone is doing well program-wise and life-wise.

Virgin Fat! Congrats, Lauren! And very exciting about the non-plus size clothes, too. It sounds like going to meetings has really helped motivate you - I know they help me.

Lin - which Pilates tape are you doing? Do you need any special equipment? Good luck with the writing - this sounds like a very exciting time in your life.

Judy - I love your meeting review - I go on Saturdays, so I always get a preview of what to expect from your post. Unconscious eating has always been a problem for me - it's easy to forget what you're eating when you don't pay attention to it to begin with. Don't worry about the new number - just keep working and it will go down. I really like the new 10% idea.

Mousie - I'm keeping my fingers crossed for your hubby. Good luck!

Kathy - planning always helps me to stay on track too - keep on going, you can do it.

Have a great weekend, everyone! I've got four picnics in four days - I'm going to work hard to fill my plate with veggies and go easy on everything else.

332/275.5/269 (2nd 10% goal)

Lin S
09-07-2001, 01:43 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Kimmers, it's great to hear from you.

I'm sure you'll do better once you get back to your regular routine, as you suggested. It really is harder when your routine is totally upset. And your life has taken a major unexpected direction.

You have a great plan for the weekend. People usually bring a lot of veggies to picnics.

I think you misread my post. I'm not doing Pilates. I'm interested in it and was asking Lauren about her experiences with it.

I told my dh about my plan to hire myself and to pay myself with a small amount of cash to use for whatever I want each week. He thinks it's a great idea. And he even said that he's willing to help out with the housework the same way he does when I have a job working for someone else. The only thing he said that's at all negative is that I have to work toward finishing one project, not start seven different ones each week. (I refrained from saying, "Duh!", since I'm very aware of that tendency that I have.)

So, I'm planning to spend the weekend getting ready for my new job, the same way I have in the past. Getting the house clean and the errands done. Making sure that the dinner plan is easy and can be done in the time I will have available. The best part is that I don't have to commute, which gives me more time to get the daily stuff done around here.

It also makes it easier to stick with my health goals and I won't have to spend a lot of time making my lunch the night before. Not having to commute also gives me a little time to go for walks. Walks actually clear my head and help get the writing flowing, so it accomplishes two goals at once.

I went for walks yesterday and today. My power was out for an hour this morning, so I took my walk early. There's a grocery store shopping center that's about a mile and a half from my house. I'm aiming to be able to walk there and back. Right now I make it to the first stop sign. I don't know how far that is, but I don't want to push myself too much because I haven't been exercising as regularly as I like to.

Hope all of you are still doing fine. Hi to all of you lurkers. We know you're there because our little group doesn't read quite as many times as the number of views this thread gets. We hope our often long posts are of help to you in your journey.

Happy turtlin'! :cool:


09-07-2001, 09:26 PM
Wow~ We're busy again. I love to hear lots of turtles chime in.
Kimmers, you're really doing well now. My heart goes out to you.
Here's a hug. I think it's wonderful that you're at WW, and I'm glad my previews help a little. Have fun at the picnics and enjoy yourself.

Congratulations on your virgin fat loss territory. That's a great thing to be proud of. I know your writing about your definite aim of losing by Christmas made me kick myself and get going again.
I was behaving more like a napping hare than a consistent tortoise. So--here we go again. My daughters do Pilates now and then and consider it a great workout. Smart of you to change exercise before you have physical problems with your feet. You can always go back to the aerobics once your feet are in great shape. I am also thinking of digging out my Richard Simmons tapes because I really get happy when I play and exercise to them. They're so much fun and I work up a sweat too!

You must have the best dh in the world. He really understands you and is so supportive. This is an ideal time to get the writing underway. Your house is quiet and you can shape a working/writing environment right now. I envy you=--and then I think why do I envy her when I can do the same thing? Nothing stops me from writing early in the morning or late at night. I'm listening to Steven King's On Writing audiobook on tape right now. It really points out so many things about writing. When I write poetry I fly by the seat of my pants. My short story attempts have been futile so far, but there's always tomorrow.
My class is okay. The kids are cute, but noisy, so I have my work cut out for me this year. Hard to balance the little ones who could cry at the drop of a hat and the little ones who are clueless as to the fact that they're talking. They really don't realize that they are~I enjoy teaching and I hope I can shape this class up and make it an enjoyable experience for all of us. Having calm in the classroom helps me to keep my emotions in check and makes eating correctly just that much better.

I got on the treadmill this morning again. I'm really proud of myself. I had been working on focusing on losing five pounds at a time, but I didn't pull that together. Then I thought about how successful I was in WW when I first started and how I worked toward my ten percent, so I am trying to duplicate that feeling. That's why I'm focusing on the ten percent. Plus--like Lauren--I'd be in virgin WW weight loss territory. It's a good thing. Another thing I did was to put my huge scale (like a home version of a doctor's scale) in a closet! It makes it much harder to get to and weigh myself. I figure that will help a lot too.

I gotta run--everyone have a good weekend and I'll check in on Monday.

235/thinner/199 by Christmas

Lauren H
09-09-2001, 09:54 PM
Hi, Turtles.

You know, I really love this group. It's not big, but it's special -- unlike anything else out there. Thank you, each one.

Lin, love your pay-yourself-as-you-go idea for writing. I may steal aspects of it. Instead of paying myself, I think I'm going to aim to getting something written and sent to at least one publisher before I go back to work. Dunno yet what it will be, but that's a goal that's floating around my head right now. And working up to walking 3 miles sounds like a great plan! Ambitious enough to be a good challenge, and do-able when you break it down and build up slowly.

About Pilates. It's basically a series of small exercises (the version I do is done on a mat on the floor), done with only a few repetitions, intended to do two things: strengthen your abdominal muscles, and help you elongate and stand taller. I was very surprised when my abdominal muscles were sore the day after I did my 20-minute beginning Pilates tape. I didn't feel like I'd done all that much. I was impressed. I find those kinds of exercises much more boring than my aerobics tapes, so I'm having a harder time making myself do them. But I really do need to. A strong abdomen leads to a strong back, which I want.

Kimmers, it's good to see you going to WW, going camping, going to picnics. You're doing so well, even though I know you must still be hurting. I love the Adirondacks! We'll be there in less than a month for our annual fall pilgrimage. Where in the Adirondacks did you go? I didn't realize you lived in NY.

Judy -- woo-hoo on that treadmill! And I think your attitude toward your students sounds wonderful. I'll bet you're a favorite among the kids. I didn't realize Stephen King wrote a book on writing. I'd be interested in checking that out. Although I'm not a fan of the horror genre, I've been very impressed with his other stories (like The Shawshank Redemption). In particular, he's a master at plot, and I think that's my weakest point. Thanks for mentioning the book.

I got a call last week from a headhunter (who also used to work for the company I just left), and an email from a former co-worker reminding me that if I ever wanted a job with her company, I was told in the past that I could have one. (Long story, but one of the muckity-mucks there did tell me that a couple years ago when I was a consultant there.) I still want to give this little start-up company a chance, though, and I don't really want to work for this other company. Still, it's nice to know people are looking out for me.

I had a friend visiting this weekend, and I'm so glad I banked a lot of points earlier this week! I was slightly over points the past three days. Today we went out for Sunday brunch, and I figure I ate 26 points in a single meal!!!!! :eek: Ay carumba! I wore my size 18 jeans to the brunch in order to remind me to take it easy, and I actually did think I'd done very well; I only took tiny bites of different things. I guess what did me in was that there were so *many* different things! Needless to say, I had a very light dinner tonight.

Tomorrow and the next day I'll be attending a seminar intended to help you find a job. My ex-company is paying for all laid-off employees to attend this, and I've heard it's very good. So I'm actually looking forward to it, even though I usually hate sitting in a meeting room for 8 hours straight.

Here's to a great week,everyone.


Lin S
09-10-2001, 11:04 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Great job on the treadmill, Judy. Doing another 10% sounds like the way to go for you. I'm a believer in not weighing myself too often, so I applaud your decision to put the scale away.

Lauren, thanks for the info on Pilates. It definitely sounds like something I want to try when I get the money together for a beginner's tape. That great posture and strong stomach muscles are two things I've always wanted to achieve.

The seminar about how to find a job must be a new thing that companies are doing. My dh's company did that, too. But his seemed to be more focused on exploring what field you want to look for work in rather than finding new employment in his current field. Hope yours is helpful.

I'm not a Stephen King fan, either. I've read other books that fit the horror genre that are much more frightening than the one I read of his. I had seen his book on writing and looked at it. I have other books on my shelf that I think are more valuable to me as a writer. I think that's mainly because I have so many other books and I've read his advice before. The interesting part is his bio. How he came to be a writer.

You're welcome to whatever part of my plan you wish to take. I like your idea, but since I write novels, it will be a while before I have anything ready to send out. I needed something to keep me going through a long project.

I don't know how far my current walk is, but it takes about 30 minutes. And I'm doing it. Yay for me.

I also got a good start on my writing project. I picked which story I want to work on. I went through my notes and brainstorming ideas and the draft I'd started. I'm pulling out the parts I want to keep and moving in a slightly different direction. The draft I started has some good writing, but the plot needs revision.

I weighed myself and I lost a pound, but I don't know why. I'll take it, anyway.

Talk to you all tomorrow. Hope all of you are doing well and achieving all of your goals and dreams.

Happy turtlin'! :)


09-11-2001, 03:09 PM
Meant to congratulate you on getting into regular sized clothing. What an accomplishment! I am so close myself. You and I are about the same weight now and we're spurring each other on. I'm only 5'4" tall, but I figure every pound I knock off will make me look and feel better.

What a great idea about paying yourself to write. Good luck on your novel. I do like Stephen King a lot. He grabs me right away.
For others who might be interested, his book is called On Writing
by Stephen King.
On the treadmill I use lots of entertainment. I have a tiny TV hooked up in the room with the treadmill and watched Imus this morning. I also have audiobooks on tape that are usually fiction and thrillers--some self-help books as well. I love distraction because once I am on the treadmill I don't mind it too much, but it is boring. I am determined to keep going with this. I think I lost two pounds or thereabouts this week. I have stayed off the scale, but this morning I couldn't stand it and hopped on. Voila! It looks like I've lost more than a pound. My real challenge today is to keep on track.
What a nightmare with the terrorist attacks.
I am at work and our information has been scanty. I hope and pray for the poor people in the path of these terrorists.
Take care

Lin S
09-12-2001, 12:35 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Judy, when I had a stationary bike, I used to put in videos and watch movies. I got up to an hour of cycling. Unfortunately, I had to give up the bike when we moved into a small apartment. Way to go with your treadmill!

Sometimes when you're a writer, you feel as if you ought to have words for any and every occasion. But not this one. Yesterday was a nightmare. My sons both called me and their thoughts were kind of telling. One asked me what the h--- was going on. Of course, Mom had no answer for that one. The other one said that everyone he had talked to who had seen the tape said that it looked like a movie. Does that mean that moviemakers are getting really good or does it mean that some people have forgotten that life isn't like the movies? Actors get up and do their next project, but people don't.

I'm praying for those who were in the buildings and for their families and friends. I'm also praying for America, that our leaders will choose the right actions, balancing our free society against the need to protect its citizens. If they take away our freedom in the name of protection, the terrorists will have won. Maybe not the victory they wanted, but they will have won, anyway.

On a more personal note, sort of. One of the chefs I watch on TV was executive chef of a restaurant on top of the World Trade Center. I checked out their web site, but they haven't updated it to reflect whether or not any of their employees or management was in the restaurant when the planes hit (or even that it no longer exists). Even though I, of course, have never met him or eaten at his restaurant, it still feels sort of personal. So, I'm praying for him and his employees and family.

I admit that my weight loss efforts seem insignificant today. But I know that I have family and friends who would be upset with me if I let myself get sick because I didn't take care of myself. And I have a lot of things I want to do in life and I intend to be around to do them. For me, that makes it significant.

Also, my brother could use your prayers today. He goes in) may even be there already) for that second surgery on his lung. The bad part is that he has had more seizures, which doesn't bode well for the status of the long term success of his brain surgery.

I didn't do any writing yesterday. I was a little numb most of the morning from the horrible news. My brain kept trying to make sense out of the sensless. I tend to feel things pretty deeply, and I tend to withdraw from normal activity for a while when I get upset. But, I'm ready to get back to work today. I think that I can get over it, so to speak, more quickly than usual because it's something I have no control over. Plus, writing will keep my mind busy so I don't worry about my brother. Which is another situation I can do nothing about.

Hope everyone is doing OK. I hope none of you have to face losing loved ones in this awful attack on our country. God bless.

Happy turtlin'! :)


Lauren H
09-12-2001, 01:42 PM
Hello, tortoises.

Yes, this is a nightmare. It vividly reminds me of what it was like being in the Philippines and not knowing who the government was going to be from day to day (I was there during the revolution). Thankfully we're not in that boat, but the thought of what all those victims went through is beyond words. I'm continuing to pray for anyone who might still be trapped alive in the rubble and for all the loved ones left behind by those who died.

I didn't go to my WW meeting last night. Everything around here was pretty much closed, so I figured there probably wasn't a meeting. I have a concert to go to tonight, so I'll go to a meeting tomorrow night.

I weighed in this morning, and I'm down another 2 pounds on my home scale -- 212.5. I suspect the WW scales won't show that loss tomorrow since I'll be wearing heavier clothing now that the weather is colder (I found out that my jeans alone weigh 2 pounds!), and also I'll have had sushi for lunch -- lots of salt. That's OK; I'm still very encouraged. Banked another 18 points, and worked out 5 hours. I think I've found my niche.

Lin, I'll add your brother to my prayers. What's his first name?

Judy, I'm 5'4" too! I wouldn't say I'm really in plain Misses sizes yet, except for the occasional fluke. (I hate tight clothes and won't wear them.) But I'm very close! Congrats on your weight loss this week. Lin, congrats to you too. Yes, our efforts in this area seem insignificant in light of what's happened, but Lin, you wisely point out that taking care of ourselves is never insignificant.

Onward and downward,

274/212.5/199 by Christmas (home scale, a.m.)

09-12-2001, 09:01 PM
Glory! We know many people who work in Manhattan downtown including my daughter, but by a miraculous series of flukes they are all safe. For those who didn't make it and for their families, I send my prayers. America will never be the same.

I am sending prayers for your brother and his surgery. What a nightmare. Good for you for getting back to your writing as soon as you can. I figure the more these terrorists change our lives the more power we give them and the more successful they have been. I am determined to get healthy and slimmer and make all I have of a life count!

I had the feeling you were tall. How's that? I am very impressed with the amount of exercise you are getting in each week. It's been successful and a nice amount of time now. Good for you!Our WW mtgs. stayed open even last night. Rhoda Rubin owns the whole franchise for Suffolk County on LI here in NY and had a hard time deciding what to do. She finally decided to keep open for those who wanted to come in, make contact with a support group, and just even hang out. Last night I skipped my prayer meeting group because I wanted to be with my husband, but today I tried to get back into routine. I went to WW and weighed in. I was down 1.2 pounds and feel I've made a turnaround. I wish I had lost more, but this is good and it is great that I have started going in the right direction. Working hard, I could hit 199# by Christmas and that's a very good thing. Our meeting had nothing to do with food. We talked about the terrorists and the nightmare and tried to give each other support. One woman got close to WW stuff when she said she had overeaten yesterday because of the misery and emotion of the tragedy and she was afraid not to come to our meeting.

Kathy, Kimmers, Mousie==I wish you all well. Keep on keepin' on.

Lin S
09-13-2001, 04:26 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Lauren, congrats on that weight loss. And even bigger congrats on finally finding a way to work this program that is bringing consistent success.

You have certainly lived an exciting life, at least for part of it. Or maybe it feels like it to this gal who would like to travel all over, but never goes far because the budget doesn't allow. I'm doing what I can about that by persisting in my writing efforts.

My brother's first name is Charlie. He came through the surgery fine. My mother didn't have a lot of details. She said he'll have to be watched very carefully for the next year. He still has a lot to go through before he's even close to being out of the woods. So, we're keeping up the prayers.

Judy, I'm so glad the folks you know are all safe. I know it must be awful for those people whose friends, relatives, coworkers, etc. are still missing. I shudder to think of how many people will never be identified. I find that kind of hatred so impossible to understand. For me, one of the worst videos of all was of the Palestinians celebrating the deaths of all of those people. And at least two of the people on one of the planes were small children, 2 and 4 years old!

On a brighter note--Congratulations on that turnaround and the 1.2 pounds. Don't worry about the speed. That's why we're turtles, remember? We care about the process, just moving on, not how fast or slow it goes. At least that's the theory. It's often hard to get our brains to accept that, though, since we've been inundated with "lose weight fast" ads, articles, and theories about how to do that forever. Go ahead and aim for that Christmas goal, but if you fall a bit short, be glad for the way it spurred you on to stick with your program.

I've been feeling rebellious against all of the effort it takes lately. I just wanted to cruise along and let things go. But I'm not happy when I do that. So, I'm planning to crank back up and count points again starting tomorrow. Sometimes I just need a small break to regroup and figure out what I really want.

It's so much easier just to do whatever comes up and not worry about things. I've not been quite at that level of unconcern, but working my way toward it. I realized, though, that I'm letting myself get stuck in a rut because I felt so bad about moving, etc. I felt stuck and I was living my life as if I were stuck. I felt like a bird in a gilded cage. I'm determined not to let that become a permanent state of mind. So, I'm getting back to being completely OP. And I'm including at least a walk. I'd like to try to do some videos, some swimming, maybe save up for some skates. Maybe there's a rink around here, but I've never seen one. It's one of my secret passions. I love skating. I feel like I'm flying when I whizz around on wheels. My kids were really surprised at how fast I go.

Gotta get back to work. It feels weird to say that, since a lot of people wouldn't see it that way, but it's my work and I don't care if no one but me is paying for it right now. I can't sell what I haven't written!

Happy turtlin'! :)


Lauren H
09-13-2001, 07:29 PM
Judy, I'm so glad the people you knew are safe. There are two people I knew who could've been involved -- one at the Pentagon, one in the WTC. Both are safe -- the woman who was supposed to be on an upper floor at the WTC (above 90) was at an off-site conference!

Congrats on that wonderful weight loss and on feeling that you're turning things around. That's really what this journey is, I think -- a series of turnings. Many times during the past 3+ years, I've gradually lost focus and found myself returning to old habits. Then I've turned it around, lost the weight I've gained, and forged a little further ahead into virgin fat territory. The first time, I gained back 16 pounds before I turned around. The last time, it was 9 pounds. I see that as progress; I'm catching it quicker. I'd like to get to the point where I can catch it within just a few pounds. I'll consider that absolute success.

Lin, I'm so glad Charlie came through OK. I'll keep him in my prayers.

I agree with you about that Palestinian video. It's horrible. It's hard to watch something like that and not feel hatred myself. We have a lot of Arab-Americans in the metro Detroit area (the largest group of Arab-Americans in the country), and there have been threats made against them since Tuesday. I hope they'll be OK.

I didn't know you roller-skated! That's great! I wish I could do that. I grew up on ice skates, and I could never get the hang of the wheeled version. (I'm not very good on ice, either!) It looks like so much fun. Have you ever done roller blades? One of my fantasies would be to ice skate down a river.

It sounds like you're ready to work hard on losing weight again, and that's great. It is hard, no doubt about it. And it's easy to lose motivation, especially when other things are happening in your life. I'm going to have to fight that during my period of unemployment, and I'll have to fight it even harder once I start my new job. (I tend to overeat when I start a new job, due to stress.)

You've at least paid attention to staying healthy during your break, so you'll be in a good position to move forward now. I'm finding that in a lot of ways, this is easier to do when I'm not working. I have more time to work out and more time to prepare healthy food instead of just grabbing a frozen meal or going out to eat. I suspect that's part of what's behind my recent consistent weight losses. Even my last month or so of work, I wasn't very busy, and that let me get to work late so I had more time to work out in the morning.

Looks like I won't be attending WW at all this week. There are no local meetings tomorrow, which is a pain, and I have an all-day seminar on Saturday (on death and healing). I've already paid ahead for the week (I bought the 6-month plan), so it's my loss. Ah, well. I'm happy with the way I've been eating and exercising, so that should carry me through.

I hope our other turtles are OK and that their loved ones are also OK.

Onward and downward,


Lin S
09-14-2001, 03:20 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Wow! I totally agree with your definition of success, Lauren. It's so much more realistic than assuming that once all of the weight is gone, you will never slip again and have to deal with losing, the way most people do. (That old "diet mentality".) Rather, you're assuming that you may, at times, gain a few pounds, but you will have gained the tools and habits you need to deal with them. That's super.

You may find that while you're unemployed, there are things that are easier and things that are harder about doing this. I found that when I was at home or going to school, WW was easier than when I was working for other people. Most of the problem, for me, was being in jobs where I didn't have control over my time and schedule, though. Having that autonomy is one of the biggest reasons I love creative work, writing, art, photography, or even web design or cooking, where you can have your own business.

I'm sure that missing your WW meeting, while it disrupts things a bit, will only result in a better number next week. You've been working so hard and showing such good results. I'm sure one missed meeting won't derail you.

I love ice skating, too. But I haven't been able to do much of it. A lot of the things that I enjoyed when I was growing up I wasn't allowed to do because my mother didn't like doing them. And if she didn't like it, she decided that I didn't like it, either. Ice skating was one of those things I only got to do if my Girl Scout troop went there on an outing because my mother only liked to roller skate.

So, when I grew up, I started doing some of the things I wanted to do when I was a child. The only ones I haven't at least tried are the super expensive ones like taking horseback riding lessons or learning to scuba dive. If I ever can afford it, though, I'm gong to try both of those things.

I must admit that even though it's been very painful dealing with my mother, doing the things I always wanted to do when I reached adulthood has helped me in a lot of ways with my weight-loss efforts. Because it taught me that it's never really too late. Maybe I'll never be a world-class flutist, but I can make music, even if I didn't start playing until I was 19.

And since I had already waited my whole childhood to try things, there was no way I was going to wait to be thin to try other new things. Or to take classes in the things I wasn't allowed to do because my (supposedly) fat self would embarrass my mother in leotards or a swimsuit. And I was supposed to be too ashamed of myself to want to dance or take synchronized swimming. It never did occur to her that doing either, or both, of those activities may have improved the way I looked in those leotards or swimsuits.

Now, I'm noticing that I'm falling into the trap of midlife. Starting to want to just stay in the rut I'm in. Losing that sense of adventure. Wanting security over fun. And I'm positive that if I let that continue, my creativity will suffer. And so will my weight loss efforts. It's easy to decide to stay fat when you're my age because this is the age of invisibility. Middle-aged ladies aren't considered sexy, so what difference does it make if you're fat? (According to conventional wisdom.) But, a lot of middle-aged ladies are taking aim at that idea and making changes in their attitudes, forcing our culture to slowly change it's attitude, too.
So, I'm looking for ways to shake things up a bit, including in my weight-loss efforts.

It's time to make some changes. I'm not sure what kind, but even tiny ones will keep me from following the same old path and help me to continue to see the world in that cockeyed way creative people do. I do miss my creative kids. They come up with the most mind-stretching things all the time.

Hope all of you are doing well. Hope everyone's loved ones are safe. I extend my deepest condolences to anyone who has lost loved ones or who still have loved ones missing in NYC or Washington D. C.

Happy turtlin'! :D


09-15-2001, 11:28 AM
Hello to all,
Wow, love to read our e-mails. Thanks for such a lot of great insight.

I have an article here from Newsday, our LI paper, about the chefs at the Windows of the World--the restaurant at the top of the twin towers. Here's what it says : Windows was that rare NY culinary hybrid, a restaurant beloved both by visitors and locals. While the pull it exerted on tourists was undeniable, it also received high marks from the critics, particulary under the direction of current executive chef, Michael Lomonaco. Whiteman and Gold are executive chefs of the company and stated: There wouldn't have been afull staff there, because the banquet season isn't in high gear, but there were undoubtedly people having breakfast in the Greatest Bar on EArth, and there would have been a staff to serve them. : From this, it seems as though your chef from TV is probably okay. I mourn for all those in the building--Judy

Yesterday I went off track and, as promised, I am reporting it here so that I don't keep off track all weekend. The food was too good, the emotions too high. Today I am going to have fun with my son, his wife and baby, and all the other relatives popping in to meet Claire. I've got food ready, more or less, and I'm going to try real hard to diminish its importance to me.

Everyone keep on keepin' on--I'll respond to your posts soon.

234/thinner by Christmas!

Lin S
09-15-2001, 04:51 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Judy, thanks for the info. I went to epicurious.com, since Michael Lomanoco cooks on their TV show and they had a statement from him. He's fine. He wasn't in the restaurant at the time, but he's really concerned about the staff members he hasn't heard from.

Don't you find that it helps keep things in check if you post your slips here? And the successes seem a bit sweeter when we post here, too.

Things are pretty quiet around here this weekend. We're planning to go to SJ tomorrow. I need to call and see if my brother's up to a visit. And try to arrange to spend a little time with Chris.

I'm doing better, although I haven't started writing down my points, quiet yet. I haven't had a lot of time since we decided to go to SJ. I wish I could get my dh to agree to go to SJ a bit further in advance! Then there wouldn't be so many last minute things to get done.

I'm starting a new thread, since we've gone to two pages. See you all there.

Happy turtlin'! :)