Carb Counters - Question for all you big losers (Susan, Kim, lillybelle, etc)




needtolose4me2
05-26-2006, 09:31 AM
You guys have come such a long way, I am sure at some point you have hit plateaus or stalls. Was just wondering, if you did, how often does it happen, how much weight did you lose before the first one, and how did you get past it? I am beginning my third week with no weight loss and I don't really see the inches down anymore either. I posted a sample menu under the thread Stalls and fluctuations.
Was hoping you had some good advice.
thanks
maggie


JerseyGyrl
05-26-2006, 11:36 AM
Hi Maggie:hug:
Stalls, especially in the beginning, can be very discouraging & frustrating. My advice to you is stay on plan no matter how discouraged or frustrated you become. Cheating or eating the wrong foods is the kiss of death.

I looked over your menu and it looks good to me. You might want to add a few slices of bacon or a couple links of sausage along with your eggs in the morning. You seem to be doing well as far as veggies are concerned:) Since the concept behind Atkins is burning fat for fuel..fry your eggs in butter & add some bacon or sausage (JMHO) The fat & protein will help you to feel full as well. Congrats on drinking your water!!:) That is VERY important and a lot of people don't do it.

When you are losing weight, it takes your body time to catch up with the loss (I hope that makes sense) Trust me, I know its frustrating. Becoming stressed over it does not help either. I lost 60 lbs on Atkins in 5 ½ months..then nothing for several months...was I ready to throw in the towel?...of course I was but...I continued to stay on track and eventually I began to lose again. Maggie, you are doing great! I am very proud of you girl! Just remember, you CAN do this!!

If I can help any further or if you ever just need someone to talk to, feel free to PM me anytime:)

Hugs,

Kim

needtolose4me2
05-26-2006, 01:03 PM
Hi Kim! NOTHING FOR SEVERAL MONTHS???!!! Yikes! Don't know if I could make it through that! I'm going nuts after these 3 weeks.
I know what you mean about adding a meat to my breakfast, the problem is that I don't really eat meat! I know, what a diet to pick! I have been doing good with chicken. turkey and fish. perhaps I can add some smoked slamon to my breakfast though. I thinkfish has asmuch protien as meat no? I'll have to check that out. It's the fat that it really doesn't have.
Thanks for your input. I'll check into what I can add.
thanks
maggie


MsChris
05-26-2006, 02:25 PM
While needtolose4me2 has the big losers attention - may I ask:

I have been reading the threads and trying to catch up to everyone mentally on here. Everyone is wonderful that I have spoken to so far on the threads that I have joined. I have told several of you that this is not my first go round (although the go round that counts right now). Anyway, I am still using an old Atkins book (1973) that counts straight carbs. I have been reading the atkins.com site and took a class in their learning center that says to use net carbs. Are you guys losing using New Atkins or the Old?

JerseyGyrl
05-26-2006, 03:05 PM
:wel3fc: Chris!

You've come to a great place for advice & support.

My Atkins is according to Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution book. I subtract fiber from the total carbs.

All the best to you!!

Kim

Buffy0
05-26-2006, 03:08 PM
Hello MsChris -

I'm using Dr Atkins New Revolution Book as well.

lilybelle
05-26-2006, 06:45 PM
Hi need2lose4me2, I have been on Atkins for 11months. My first stall was after losing about 30 lbs. and it lasted about 3 weeks. I then started losing 2 lbs. a week again and was very happy. My second stall was after losing about 30 more lbs. and it lasted about 4 weeks and then again started losing 2 lbs. a week. I've now been at 150 lbs. for 3 weeks and cant seem to lose the last 5 lbs. to get to my goal. I am not giving up, I will get there eventually. You are doing great with your weight loss. I watched a TV show the other day on weight loss and it said 1 reason we have stalls is so our internal organs can readjust to our new body size. This made sense to me, otherwise their would be crowding of our organs. The best advice I can give when a stall hits would be to journal all of your food, drink the water, eat according to plan and get your exercise. With all this, you know you are doing everything right and your body will catch up and let you lose more weight. Believe me when I say that stalls are frustrating to us all but we all have them no matter which way of eating we choose. Good luck and just remember that this is a completely normal thing to happen when you are losing weight.

lilybelle
05-26-2006, 06:48 PM
MsChris, Hi , I have been using the Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution and have went by net carbs from the start. Wishing you the best on your weight loss journey.

needtolose4me2
05-26-2006, 07:54 PM
Very interesting Lillybelle. I never really thought about it that way!That must be what kim meant baout giving your body a chance to catch up with the loss. guess we get all caught up in the numbers and wanting to see that scale go down. however! I"m going to get through another week and hope for the best. I'm at about 25 lbs now so I'm close to where you were at your first stall Thanks for all the info. It helps me to know what to expect!

lilybelle
05-26-2006, 10:20 PM
You are very welcome. The comment that the organs need to be able to readjust to fit in a smaller space made me feel a lot better. It explained why even with doing everything right, everyone has problems with hitting stalls. I can better accept it when there is a physiological reason for this happening and a natural occurence in the body , than if I was "dieting" to no avail for sometimes weeks at a time. Keep up the good work, you are doing great.

hockeyfan7
05-27-2006, 02:06 PM
I used the Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution as well. A couple of times when I stalled out for 6 months, I did the fat fast outlined in the book for 3 days and that seemed to break the plateau. It was really tough though -- I didn't like a lot of the foods on the fat fast list so I pretty much just ate the macademia nuts. It did help me get back on track.

bnbsmommy1
05-27-2006, 07:16 PM
here's some things I've done to start the scale movin' down again:

1) Drink ONLY water

2) increase water intake

3) increase exercise; however, if you are being a huge fitness freak and working out EVERY day for hours, then DECREASE exercise

4) Don't eat after 4 pm

5) NO atkins bars, shakes, etc. They may SAY they are approved for induction but they stall a lot of people.

6) don't weight yourself for a week, I swear sometimes the stress can cause the weight to stay

The ONE guaranteed thing that I've done (twice) and don't recommend to anyone but it works, is a form of the fat fast but with ONLY eggs. I eat eggs cooked every which way for three days and it has worked each time but you don't want to look at eggs for a longtime after that. They say at LEAST 8 eggs a day so you don't kick yourself into starvation mode and stall even further. Egg salad (with hard boiled eggs and mayo), deviled eggs, fried eggs, scrambled eggs, you get the picture now ;)

I know how it feels to struggle so hard and want something so bad and I PROMISE if you just stick to your guns, to your exercise and willpower that it WILL come off :)

:hug:
Lacey

needtolose4me2
05-27-2006, 07:21 PM
yes, I think if I did do the fast I would do the nuts as well. I can't imaine eating 2 spoonfuls of cream cheese just like that! OR any of the other stuff. THe egg thing, maybe, but I can't really afford to get sick of eggs because they are a big staple for me now. I do eat the atkins breakfast bars sometimes 2 a day if I'm out and hungry. THat has been pretty new for me, maybe I will cut those out. THanks everyone.
SUsan did you say that you stalled for 6 months! God bless you for coming through that! See I knew if I asked you guys I would get the answers I needed. THanks again

hockeyfan7
05-27-2006, 08:26 PM
Yep, I've stalled for up to 6 months more than once. I think your body needs some time to adjust when you lose a lot fast.

rebeleagle1965
05-27-2006, 09:02 PM
Maggie, I didn't know you were using the Atkins bars. That's actually probably what caused the stall.....
Has anybody here eaten them on a regular basis and not stalled? Everyone I know of/read of who used them on a regular basis had that problem. All of the bars that I've seen have about 17 grams of carbs before deducting to net of 2-4. I don't understand that-the rest of that can't be all fiber! I thought fiber was the only thing we were supposed to deduct. That's what the book says, and then on their products they deduct the sugar alcohols and all that mess. I don't use them. I tried one and didn't like the taste, anyway, but that many carbs this soon into it was just too scary for me, no matter what it said the net carbs were.
Get rid of the bars, Maggie, and I'll bet the scale starts moving again. Try some sugar free jello or pudding instead when you have to have something sweet.

needtolose4me2
05-27-2006, 10:29 PM
Yes, you know, I didn't even ever think to mention the bars because they are "atkins" bars. I did think twice about the whole carb situation with them (I agree with you that I don't know how they came down to only 3 grams) but Iput my trust in them. I figured hey, they're atkins and they say good for induction so.... I guess there ok.
You'll be happy to know, I just threw them out!
It never dawned on me.
well here's looking to a better week now!
Thanks ladies.

JerseyGyrl
05-28-2006, 08:38 AM
Hey Maggie:wave:
Congratulations on throwing out the Atkins bars!!!!:cp: I know the Aktins website says they are acceptable for Induction. DON'T believe it!!! I am sure if Dr. Atkins could come back to this earth he would be shocked to see the way people (at his own company!!) have changed his eating plan to contain such things as bars & shakes!!! Atkins Induction is eating clean, meaning foods ONLY from the acceptable foods list http://www.atkins.com/articles/atkins-phases/phase-one/acceptable-foods/
Stick with clean, unprocessed foods, drink plently of water, take your vitamins, get some exercise and the weight will come off. THAT is the Atkins lifestyle...NOT eating bars & drinking shakes!!!

Beware of the sugar-free jello & puddings...they contain aspartame, a common "staller" for some people. You can make your own sugar-free jello using Splenda. If you'd like the recipe, let me know.

You're doing great!!! Keep up the good work!!!:carrot:

All the best to you!!!

Kim:hug:

needtolose4me2
05-28-2006, 10:27 AM
Thanks for the link Kim. You know, I've read and reread the book but somehow I always seem to miss something. For instance, I just noticed that American Cheese is not on the induction list. I've found it to be 1 carb per slice but why it's not listed, I don't know. I use it in my omelets a lot. I guess I'll switch to cheddar or swiss.
Thank God for this website and you ladies!
PS I thinkI'll pass on the jello. Never could stand that stuff! Thanks anyway. Now if you had a recipe for chocolate pudding, that's another story!

lilybelle
05-28-2006, 03:04 PM
I havent' ever tried the Atkins bars, but have used the Q-smart bars that have 3 net carbs. I don't eat them very often, they aren't too great. I think that sugar alcohols are very prone to make me stall. Plan to do egg fast again very soon and hopefully get closer to my goal.

needtolose4me2
05-28-2006, 04:26 PM
lillybelle, I bet those last 5 pounds are just killing you! I will wiat til my next weigh in (thurssay) and see how I do with eliminating the atkins bars. If it still doesn't move I think Iwill do a fast too but I might just go "wild" andincorporate some macadamia nuts in there as well.! Hopefully it won't come to that. I keep waiting to see your big post about that 5 lbs being history! good luck!

MsChris
05-28-2006, 05:34 PM
Rebel -

I am with you on the atkins products. The new atkins class I took said to subtract Fiber and Sugar alcohols that are listed underneath Total Carbohydrates in the nutritional information. I have been calculating my own - and using Dr. Atkins Sr.'s plan since he is the one that had the clinic and wrote the plan in the first place. I may be setting myself up for failure again by using the old plan. I having been freezing and drinking an Atkins Chocolate Delight or French Vanilla Shake everyday. Those are the only two that calculate to few enough carbs to fit the 20 g / day requirement. Plus since they are frozen, they travel well.

hockeyfan7
05-28-2006, 07:55 PM
Actually, Dr. Atkins promoted the bars and shakes when he was alive. In fact, when he was running the company, they offered a TON more products than they do now and his recipe books incorporate a lot of the products. 6 years ago I used to get their catalog and order a whole bunch of their stuff. I loved the brownie mix and the Atkins Crunchers. And he was in the catalogs promoting the products -- he made a lot of money from them. I miss a lot of the stuff they used to offer. Back in 2001, you used to be able to order hundreds of products right off their website -- pastas, frozen foods, tortillas, breads and bagels, salad dressing, ketchup, margarita mix, candy, cookie and cake mixes, pancake mix and syrup and all their vitamin line.

MsChris
05-29-2006, 02:37 AM
Thanks Susan for the info. I guess I need to break down and buy new diet revolution. - I do understand you to say that your weight loss came while using the products? Because the atkins site has a section called "healthy lifestyle products" where they sell the things you are talking about. They even have their vitamins on there under supplements. It kicks you out of atkins.com onto a site called buyatkins.com. They have a 0 carb crepe that I have been scared to buy so far, that I may go ahead and try.

hockeyfan7
05-29-2006, 03:02 PM
In Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution book on page 129 in the section on Induction, he talks about convenience foods. He says:

"Although it is important that you eat primarily unprocessed foods, some controlled carb food products can come in handy when you are unable to find appropriate food, can't take time for a meal or need a quick snack."

He goes on to say that he can vouch for any product carrying the Atkins brand name. He does say that "while any of these foods can make doing Atkins easier, don't overdo it. Remember, you must always follow the rules of Induction." Which means if you use Atkins products, you must count the carbs in your daily total of 20.

Also, on page 232, he gives a sample one-week Induction Menu using the Atkins shakes for snacks.

I used the products. I still eat the bars before going to the gym in the morning. I really miss the brownie mix and wish I could still find it.