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lumifan4ever
02-08-2006, 10:12 AM
if you look at my fitday, it would appear I eat way less calories and excersize off way more calories than i take in. So, it would appear i should be losing weight. But, i keep shifting. When I started dieting on Jan. 10th, I was 186, then last friday I was 181 (which I had weighed 181 on January 23rd and went back up to 184) and then I went back up to 183.8. Each morning my weight is coming back down about 2 to 4 ounces. This morning I was finally 182.0 which i am happy about. I figure I should be back at 181.0 by the end of this week.....again!!! :?: When in the world am I suppose to be down to 180 or gosh forbid 179?? My 5 pound a month weightloss is not going as planned. Although Fitday makes it look like I should be shedding weight like crazy!! I just don't understand??? :?: It makes me so sad and disappointed. Although, I am not giving up. I guess it will just take time.


mousie
02-08-2006, 10:26 AM
Fitday tends to waaaaaaaaaay overestimate calorie burn. Personally I ignore that feature, because it's SO misleading. I know what calorie number I'm shooting for because of this formula (http://www.diet-blog.com/archives/2005/12/26/how_to_calculate_your_daily_calorie_needs.php) and I try to exercise at least an hour 6 times a week. Beyond that, I don't worry about the math. If I did, it would drive me nuts! :dizzy:

JustJuneBug
02-08-2006, 10:43 AM
mousie thanks for that!!

its nice to know i can actually eat 1700 cal a day and not gain! at least according to that!

the thing is this..i am not actually losing either, and i eat about 1200-1300 a day i would guess ( i dont use fitday every day, cause i have learned what my ratios are etc.). my low end by that formula says 1096 to 1290 or something like that to lose. i dont know that i could actually sustain on 1000 for very long.

i run like crazy and my body definitely has shed fat ( i see it in definition of my body overall)...but i attributed that to eating so many fruits, veggies and protein now...

i guess its all relevant. its ok that the scale says what it says, but then part of me kinda wishes it would say about 5 lbs less :)


mousie
02-08-2006, 11:14 AM
If the shape of your body is changing but the number on the scale is not, then your body is giving up fat at the same time it's building muscle. So you lose one pound of fat, and put on one pound of muscle. It's okay, you want this to happen--muscle burns far more calories than fat, and takes up far less room. It will at a certain point stop, since women can't build massive amounts of muscle without focused weight lifting and supplementation. At that point, you'll start to drop fat and show off *sexy* muscles! ;)

srmb60
02-08-2006, 11:33 AM
I've really had to experiment and fiddle with fitday to make it a truer representation of what's actually going on. I'm going to go to your click thru and have a look, OK?

blues4miles
02-08-2006, 11:39 AM
I find FitDay to be pretty far off. Even putting my activity level at "bed bound" it still thinks I'll maintain at about 1800 calories a day, which I know not to be the case(especially not if I was bed bound! :lol:)

As for tools to help you estimate, 3FC has scads here:
http://www.3fatchicks.com/diets/diet-calculators.php

Probably something closer to the your weight times 10 or times 12 would be closer. Anyways, I've found you just have to play around with your calories until you find what works for you. FitDay will probably overestimate your metabolism, and it might overestimate how many calories you burn through activity, so I wouldn't trust it for those. Just adjust your calories every few weeks until you are eating at a comfortable level but also losing. Hope that helps, don't get too discouraged.

lumifan4ever
02-08-2006, 11:49 AM
thanks guys. and susan and anyone else who wants to, please have a look around my fitday and see what changes i may need to make. like today, if i eat what all is on my fitday, i won't even have enough to make it to 1000 calories. what can i add to it, that's not junk food? i don't want my carbs to be higher than my protein either.

JustJuneBug
02-08-2006, 12:19 PM
I find FitDay to be pretty far off. Even putting my activity level at "bed bound" it still thinks I'll maintain at about 1800 calories a day, which I know not to be the case(especially not if I was bed bound! :lol:)

As for tools to help you estimate, 3FC has scads here:
http://www.3fatchicks.com/diets/diet-calculators.php

Probably something closer to the your weight times 10 or times 12 would be closer.

so you mean take your weight times 10 or 12 to figure what you need to maintain??? and which is better 10 or 12?

JustJuneBug
02-08-2006, 12:21 PM
As for tools to help you estimate, 3FC has scads here:
http://www.3fatchicks.com/diets/diet-calculators.php

wow that said i can have 2150 and maintain. thats nuts!

mousie
02-08-2006, 12:34 PM
As for tools to help you estimate, 3FC has scads here:
http://www.3fatchicks.com/diets/diet-calculators.php

wow that said i can have 2150 and maintain. thats nuts!
Keep in mind that that's utterly, completely clean calories--no treats, no added sugar, no fried foods. It's amazing how things change when you 'clean up' your diet! You can eat *lots* more when you cut out the junk food. :)

JustJuneBug
02-08-2006, 01:20 PM
well i eat about as healthy as they come, so i guess i am good to go. granted i do cheat from time to time, so i guess i will stick with the 1500-1700 to maintain!!

at least now i have something to go by!

jillybean720
02-08-2006, 01:21 PM
so you mean take your weight times 10 or 12 to figure what you need to maintain??? and which is better 10 or 12?
If you're inactive, you multiply your weight by 10, but if you're more active, you use 12. I have heard this before as well. I still think it's an overestimate (for me anyway) because I know if I ate 2800 calories a day, I would GAIN, not maintain :dizzy:

srmb60
02-08-2006, 01:27 PM
How much have you lost and how fast? Maybe we can do a reverse thinking thing and fix fitday in retrospect.

Mel
02-08-2006, 01:31 PM
Keep in mind that that's utterly, completely clean calories--no treats, no added sugar, no fried foods. It's amazing how things change when you 'clean up' your diet! You can eat *lots* more when you cut out the junk food.

I don't think so. It may LOOK like more food because unprocessed, whole food is more bulky than calorically dense junk, and it's certainly better for you, but I can't eat more than a certain amount of calories no matter what their source. I choose to keep them clean because I feel better, don't have increased cravings, look better because of having adequate nutritional support for maintaining my muscles, skin tone, etc.

I find that fitday's "calories burned" or activites section is completely useless. Based on that, I should have ceased to exist several years ago. There is PLENTY of me still here!

As for tools to help you estimate, 3FC has scads here:
http://www.3fatchicks.com/diets/diet-calculators.php


That is nuts! It said I could maintain on 1950! I maintain on 1400 and will gain a pound or two a week on 1950 of squeeky clean food. Where did these numbers come from?

Mel

mousie
02-08-2006, 01:38 PM
I don't think so. It may LOOK like more food because unprocessed, whole food is more bulky than calorically dense junk, and it's certainly better for you, but I can't eat more than a certain amount of calories no matter what their source. I choose to keep them clean because I feel better, don't have increased cravings, look better because of having adequate nutritional support for maintaining my muscles, skin tone, etc.
Mel

It seems to work for my body, but maybe my body is just more sensitive to additives and things like that. If I eat clean foods I can have more calories than if I have 'treats'. It's confusing, because a calorie is supposed to be a calorie, but my body disagrees. If I have 1900-2100 clean calories a day I lose, and if they're 'crap' calories I gain. Doesn't make sense, but that's my body for you. :dizzy:

lumifan4ever
02-08-2006, 01:44 PM
How much have you lost and how fast? Maybe we can do a reverse thinking thing and fix fitday in retrospect.


Well, I started dieting on Jan. 10, or changing my eating, and excersizing during lunch.

about 2 weeks later, i was down 5 pounds. then the next day back up 3. then by this past friday, i had gotten back down those 3 pounds and the next day, 2 were back. today, i am back down one. so, i went from 186, 181, 184, 181, 183, 182 today. I'm sure there was some 184's and 183's before i hit that 181 the first time, but i didn't really write them down like i did that 181. Maybe i am worried for nothing. I could be down to 181 for good by the end of this week which would technically make it one month. which would be my 5 pound a month weight loss. which is my goal. my reasonable goal. i was hoping for the two pound a week but i'll settle for 5 pounds a month. but by fitday, i should be dropping about 2 pounds a week.

srmb60
02-08-2006, 02:00 PM
Five pounds a month? That's good! Okay so lets see 5 lbs is 17,500 cals .... figured over 30 days??? is 583 cals per day right? a deficit of 583?
Please math folks pitch in here!
So you should fiddle with your fitday until it averages out to a 580 cal/day deficit.
Does that make sense? I'll be around. We'll figure this thing out.

angel-eyes
02-08-2006, 03:08 PM
lumifan.....Hope you don't mind my 2 cents...(you did ask though?:D ) I went to your fitday journals and to me, it looks like you don't eat enough food. A few days were 1350-1450 calories, but most the days I saw were.....900-1200. I'm no expert, but if you were excercising to the tune of 300-500 calories/workout....wouldn't that put your body into starvation mode? Most of the books/information I've read suggests a minimum of at LEAST 1200 calories. Personally, I do better with days of 1500-1700 calories and with alot more protein. Have you thought about raising your protein levels? Just a thought, you could mix your own protein shakes. Good luck and I hope your 5lb yo-yo stops soon!!

JustJuneBug
02-08-2006, 03:19 PM
If you're inactive, you multiply your weight by 10, but if you're more active, you use 12. I have heard this before as well. I still think it's an overestimate (for me anyway) because I know if I ate 2800 calories a day, I would GAIN, not maintain :dizzy:

thats what i figured. i like the 'times 12' better anyway! puts me at 1512 to maintain which seems about right as far as i have noticed!

lumifan4ever
02-08-2006, 03:33 PM
thanks for the insite angel eyes. i was just noticing today also that i am in need of about 200 more calories just to get up to 1200. and i don't want it to be junk food. maybe i should look into some protein shakes. but i don't know what to get. what would taste good. any suggestions??

srmb60
02-08-2006, 04:18 PM
Whoa! before you have any more thoughts about starvation mode please read this entire thread.
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64562&highlight=starvation+mode

lumifan4ever
02-08-2006, 05:05 PM
Whoa! before you have any more thoughts about starvation mode please read this entire thread.
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64562&highlight=starvation+mode

oh no no no. i am not thinking of going into starvation mode, it just so happens that my calories were only 959 and i need to find some more. it's not that i don't want to eat, i just am looking for things that are healthy for me to eat. i want to at least be up to 1200 calories. I don't really have a big appetite these days, so that is good. but when my calories do get up past 1200, they usually are from foods that really aren't that good for me. like pizza, and stuff. carbs with dinner. like mash potatoes.

so, can you suggest maybe a good protein shake?? should i try for convience the new slim fast protein shakes??

srmb60
02-08-2006, 07:17 PM
I have a permanent dislike for how easily the term starvation mode gets kicked around weight loss sites. Sorry, I kind blew my stack there. Besides that Lumifan ... I'm pretty sure you're too bright to buy into that ... stuff.

I am cheap and therefore buy protein powder at the bulk food store and mix it with fruit. Have a scroll through the nutrition section and maybe the Ladies Who Lift if they have a food thread. Lots of folks use prepacked ones. I'll look too and let you know if I find anything.

I had a little potato for supper with some no fat cottage cheese on it. A very yummy use of some carbs!

Did you fiddle with fitdday to see if you could get your deficit down to what's really happened in the past month?

srmb60
02-08-2006, 07:24 PM
I found one Lumi ....
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73898

angel-eyes
02-09-2006, 12:12 AM
lumi.....I also make mine. I got this HUGE canister at Costco for $20 and its lasted me already 2 months and I'm only half way through it. I use a ff carb countdown milk, 1 scoop of protein whey powder and put it through the blender and I get a 3 C whipped milkshake type drink. Much more economical that the typical canned shakes. Sometimes I add partially frozen peaches or a half tsp of baking cocoa powder. To each their own. The one thing that I have noticed BIG TIME....is that more protein keeps me from being hungry. Some other quirks I am doing.....I try NOT to eat white flour or white starchy foods. If I must have bread or pasta....its whole wheat. I also try to ALWAYS eat a protein and a carb together. It is my understanding that, due to most carbohydrates having a higher gylcemic index (faster rate of absorption into the blood stream), that when combined with a protein.....it slows down the process and evens out your blood sugar. An even blood sugar distribution means you are less likely to be famished and gorge on foods when you just have to eat RIGHT NOW and are getting very shakey. Make sense?.....so have an apple with p.butter......have a toasted cheese sandwich......egg and toast......;)

srmb60
02-09-2006, 08:51 AM
Amen to what angel-eyes said about protein! All in all that's very good and informative post. That's angel-eyes!

lumifan4ever
02-09-2006, 08:58 AM
thanks guys. ya'll have been very helpful.

and susan, I have already been down that starvation road a long time ago when i was in high school. and the effects from it sucked. blackouts when i stood up, lack of energy, more easily able to get sick....and other symptons i probably don't even remember. i did lose 40 pounds and kept it off until i got pregnant at 18 and gained 60 pounds with my pregnancy and only lost 20 of it afterwards. so, i don't want to go down that road again. I am now trying to incorporate as much activity into my days as i can.

x0xmelissax0x
02-09-2006, 11:39 AM
I tend to dislike fitday on most occasions as well. This website is a tad more difficult to understand, but I think it's a lot better: www.mypyramidtracker.gov

blues4miles
02-09-2006, 01:48 PM
I agree with Susan angel-eyes. If you find yourself hungry at 900 calories, than sure eat more (and make it protein, whole-wheat, etc) but don't worry too much about being too low on some days. There will be just as many or more days where you will end up a little too high, so just make sure you watch yourself, eat good nutrients, and avoid getting too famished at any time of day. FitDay is good for tracking, but you will have to figure out your body's rhythm for yourself.