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07-16-2001, 08:46 PM
Just wondering who out there is using Xenical. I'm sure there must be a few! I'd love to hear how you're doing on it and what you think of it (and the expense).

I tried Meridia for a month, but it didn't seem to agree with me, so I just switched to Xenical on Friday. I've lost about 100 lbs so far with TOPS (Take off pounds sensibly) and exercise, but I still have a way to go and the past year has been a real struggle to lose so I thought it might help.

The $125 for the pills is a killer though! I sure hope they're worth it!


07-16-2001, 11:13 PM
Hi VioletRose,

Congrats on your loss so far! That is awesome!

I'm not taking Xenical now, but I did take it for about 3-4 months last year. In that time I lost about 40 pounds. I had to really change my eating habits. It made me make lower fat choices & watch what I ate. If you are already eating low-fat (less than 30%) then Xenical may not help too much. It's more for those who ate too high in fat, to start cutting back so the side effects don't kick in. And, yes, the side effects that you are warned about do happen if you eat high fat meals.

There used to be a Xenical thread, but I don't know if it's around anymore.

Good luck & continued sucess!

07-17-2001, 01:28 PM
Hi There,

Sounds like both of you have been quite successful!

I have just started Xenical (day 2) after a very unpleasant encounter with my dr's scale!!:o

I suggested Xenical and my dr. was very enthusiastic about the plan. Yes it is costly but I have submitted this to my drug plan and I hope they will pay the usual 80%.

When I "registered" on the support line, I was told I could eat 1500 cals and 50 grams of fat daily. (Yesterday I was absolutely starving, but I believe this was due to "adjustment" to portion control). The 1500 daily cals is not a problem, but I am having trouble getting in the 50 fat grams (can you imagine that??) Have to use more butter or something?

I have also skipped the pills at breakfast both days as they were already very low fat, and if I do go out and eat a higher fat meal I will most definitely skip that pill as well to avoid any nasty side effects!!!

Anyone else out there on Xenical?


07-17-2001, 01:46 PM
I've only been using the Xenical since Friday (July 13) so the success I had before was definitely from exercise and portion control. I joined TOPS in Oct of 1999 and I did great in the beginning, but of course, as time went on I got lax and started to yo-yo back and forth. Hopefully the Xenical will help me get back to losing.

I was skipping the Xenical at breakfast because I was eating just cereal and milk, but I find an hour later I'm STARVING when I only eat cereal -- so I've switched back to my old favorite of peanut butter and bananas on whole wheat. Of course peanut butter is high in fat though, so I have taken my Xenical with that the past 2 days and today I had one of those icky side effects I read about...YUCK. :o Maybe the peanut butter isn't such a good idea? Or maybe I'll just try using a teaspoon instead of the full serving.

Have you been to the XENICAL web site? They have a program that you can enroll in which includes menus for all the different calorie levels: (they had peanut butter on the menu too!) -- it's pretty good. :smug:

I'm not crazy about the gross side effects, but HEY I'm willing to give this a try for a little while and deal with it. :lol: I'm determined to take off the rest of my weight one way or another! :D

07-17-2001, 04:15 PM
Good for you VioletRose..sounds like we're both "xenical virgins"! LOL

Both my breakfasts have been less than 5 grams of fat, so to take a pill to block 1/3 of that seems silly. I must say that this pm my tummy feels a bit crampy or am I just being overly sensitive??:?:

I will try that website you suggested, however I did get some literature from the dr and the pharmacist with some meals on it. Did you phone a toll free number to "register"? I'm curious as I am in Canada and wondering if the support system is the same. They are sending me a binder with materials & recipes and the nurse/dietitians will call me at home to follow up, in fact it says you can call any time if you have questions.

Are you also on 1500 cals/50 fat grams? How about exercise? I have begun "moving" yet, but guess that the next thing on my agenda!

Frouf :D

07-17-2001, 04:32 PM
I agree with you! No sense in blocking 5 grams of fat. I might have to go back to my Special K Berries breakfast and skip the Xenical in the morning too. It would be cheaper in the long run anyway!

It's possible you might be getting some cramping or bloating. Seeing as we just started, I would imagine that we need a little adjustment period. I feel a little "gassy" :D myself at times. I'm sure it will pass!

I've been doing exercise for a while now. I started with Richard Simmon's videos and then moved onto Tae Bo. I like the Tae Bo -- it's hard but I really modify it for what I can do. I feel good when I do it though! I also have an XL Glider (similiar to Tony Little's Gazelle) and an ab-doer so I try to vary my exercise. I slacked off for a while there and it really made a difference! Now I'm trying to get back to it. I'm aiming to start with at least a mile a day on the XL and alternate a little Tae Bo in there or Richard Simmon's new Tone & Sweat on Broadway (which I love!).

Drink lots of water too! It really helps.

I've been following a 2000 calorie diet by the way (which I need to be more careful about too). I used to keep track of my intake and that was something else I got lax about.

I joined the Xenical program on the internet so I'll let you know what they send me in the mail. My pharmacist didn't give me any literature, neither did my MD! Shame on them!! :mad:


07-18-2001, 12:01 PM
I also joined on the "website" you recommended, but I will let you know what kind of stuff I get (may just be repeat of what's on the web). I printed out the Bull's eye food chart (in color no less) and put it on the front of my fridge so it is very visible.

Definitely a bit "gassier" than usual, but so far nothing terrible:^:

I'm still having a problem with breakfast: today no time as I usually eat at work, so just had a banana and a coffee, since it's almost lunchtime now and I will take a pill after lunch (shrimp, rice, sauce, veggies!). Also yesterday I did not get to the 50 grams of fat...only about 38 with approx 1480 calories. At this rate I should be skinny by tomorrow???:D

I love Richard Simmons stuff and have some old tapes I should dig out....I will definitely look for that Broadway one you mentioned as I'm sure I would enjoy it too!

Keep up the good work and let me know how you're doing! (When do you go back to your dr for a follow up??? - I'm supposed to go back in a month.


07-18-2001, 01:18 PM
I weigh in weekly because I belong to TOPS (Take Off Pounds Sensibly -- ) -- sometimes I need that weekly weigh in to keep me honest and TOPS is a good support group. It's totally non-profit so they don't push any of their own products and our meeting fees are $2 a week. I was insane enough last year to volunteer to run for leader. Leaders can do 2 year terms, so I just started my 2nd year. It's a nice group though. And all I do is prepare some notes for the meeting each week. Usually members volunteer to do programs from a book or we have discussions, so it's not bad.

My meeting is tonight, so I'll let you know how my weigh-in goes! I'm hoping to have lost at least a couple of pounds. Even though I only started the Xenical on Friday.

I had a big gain last Wednesday and I suspect some of it was water, so I'm pretty sure I've lost most of it by now. I tend to have HUGE fluctuations in water weight sometimes! I was also taking Meridia for a month and didn't do too well with it. It made me feel a little sick and I think when I got off it, I had a big gain. Which was odd considering I had lost almost nothing on it.

I'm doing so much better on the Xenical. I guess meridia wasn't for me. I was a little concerned going on it because I worry about stuff that "messes with your brain" -- but I was getting desperate. I've lost too much weight to stop now and I still have a lot to lose and I plan to get there one way or another!

As far as breakfast, I think the banana and coffee is better than nothing! When I didn't have time for breakfast, I used to keep "carnation instant breakfast" in the house and some mornings I would put that in the blender with the milk and a banana and drink it as breakfast. I enjoyed it!

Do you weigh in any place other than monthly at the doctor's? Personally I think weighing in monthly is so much better. Weight fluctuates a lot from week to week. That used to depress me, but now I try to look at the end of the month results instead!

Vi :smug:

07-19-2001, 12:32 AM
Weighed in at TOPS tonight with a 5.75 lb loss...yaaay!

Like I said though, I'd had a big gain last week after stopping the meridia, so it could be a coincidence. I'll have to wait and see how it goes next week.

In the meantime, I'm back to exercising and that should help too!


07-19-2001, 01:10 PM
I am so glad I found you guys!! I just started taking xenical on Monday (l6th?)...I usually skip it at breakfast too. It is so funny....xenicare put me on 2000 cal diet and I'm having a really hard time eating 1500 cal! :?: And have the hardest time getting in the 67 grams of fat! But the way I figure it...This will just help me on my weight loss dream.

Ive dieted most of my adult hoping xenical will help me break out of the funk ive been in....but i know i will need to chat with someone who is in the same shoes....i have about 125 lbs to 41...and im sick and tired of being overweight!!!!

I am looking to add xeni users to my instant messenger so if u r willing, please add

Good luck to all


07-19-2001, 01:28 PM
I've been on Xenical for just over a month. I'm still on my first prescription because I don't usually take it with breakfast either. I joined WW three days after I started taking the Xenical and think my results are more from that than the med because I already eat fairly low fat. I don't think I'm going to refill my Rx right away. My Ins. won't pay for it. I'm doing very well right now and have been OP for 38 days and have lost 11#. I did experience the cramping that has been mentioned, but it did go away after a few weeks. For awhile I was taking Prilosec because my stomach hurt so much, but that went away too. I had a few instances of the dreaded side effects, but if you watch your fat you won't have any problems. Good luck to all of you!


07-19-2001, 04:08 PM
I wish I could say I have a hard time eating 2000, but that's never been my problem! :lol:

07-19-2001, 09:28 PM
Looks like we both started on the same day...pretty cool. I can understand your dilemma regarding calories and fat grams....Today so far I've only hit 1300 of my 1500 calories and only 30 grams of I've got 200 calories and 20 fat grams left...sounds like a trip to the DQ is in order:lol:

We are very close in age...and similar as I have been dieting almost all of my life. I was on WW a while ago, but while it was working, my motivation kind of fizzled out. I am now hoping Xenical will give me that "jump start" that I need to get going.

My health is of course my main my genetic background is not great, and I'm trying to avoid eventual health problems.

VioletRose...I was also considering trying TOPS...I know there is a meeting around here on Wed evenings...right now I'm in class wed evening...and may be again in the I might try it out for the month of August.

I can also return to WW as I still have some of those "prepaid" classes left...but isn't that like cheating??? It would be hard to determine what is working better...besides at this point I'm definitely eating pretty low fat.

ALMOST FORGOT: I got all my "stuff" from the pharmaceutical company....IT'S JUST GREAT! I got a video and a binder with 10 sections with info in each, recipes, meal plans, tips along with a color food journal and calorie/fat counting book...big box...I'm pretty impressed (like I didn't pay for it right?).

Did you guys get anything like this in the U.S.?

As for monthly weigh in...okay I cheated and did already step on my bathroom scale, but my "offical" home weigh is next Monday I'll wait til then!

Good luck!


07-19-2001, 11:02 PM
I too have been on Xenical for over a month now. My insurance does pay for all of it. I find that it works by making me extremely cautious about the amount of fat that I eat. Have had a few unpleaseant experiences.

I am confused about the fact that most of you can eat so many calories and fat grams. I can eat 1600 but no more than 1800 calories and need to stay between 30-35 fat grams. Someone mentioned they could have 60+ fat grams. Wow---at that rate I would need to carry a ladies room with me.

It sounds like you all are doing well and that is the main thing. I am pleased with the Xenical but think it is because I am afraid to eat too much fat.

07-20-2001, 12:49 AM
Froufy, I would definitely look into TOPS. Even if you decide instead to go back to WW, don't think of it as "cheating". As far as I'm concerned, no matter what methods you use to lose weight, we could all use the emotional support that you get in a place like TOPS or WW. I liked WW, but I really didn't need someone to tell me what to eat. After so many years of "dieting", I think we all know what we need to eat!

I needed emotional support (other than what I get at home) from people who are THERE struggling too and that's what I get at TOPS. I look at it as the "AA" for overweight people.

A lot of people have come to accept that being overweight should be treated like any other disease. So why not include medication, is my theory? I lost 90 lbs on my own, but I hit a point where I wasn't losing anymore and for my health, I really need to keep going, so I too am looking at the Xenical as a means to "get me going" again.

Even TOPS used to frown upon people using what they considered to be "artificial means" to losing weight and in January 2000, they changed their rules and acknowleged that "artificial means" (whether it be pills or surgery) are sometimes needed to treat obesity.

And no, I still haven't gotten any materials, but I only joined the program this week. I hope they move as fast for me as they did for you in sending the stuff!

Wasitme, I haven't had that fear of eating too much fat, but I think it's because I haven't been eating that much fat for a long time now. Or at least I think I haven't! I could be wrong though, because I am definitely dealing with the side effects! It's not "terrible" but I do hope it subsides or *I* might start lowering my fat intake too! :lol:

Can I ask what kind of plan the rest of you are following? Are you using some kind of pre-packaged foods that tell you exatly how many grams of fat you're consuming? I'm not really understanding why it's so hard to get in all your calories and all your fat grams. I eat pretty much anything, but I try to stick with lower fat versions of whatever I buy. My husband does all the cooking and he is Italian, loves to use his olive oil! He has cut back a little for me, but for the most part, my dinners are home made and pretty flavorful!

Even in the beginning, when I was losing a lot quicker, I never deprived myself, just tried to make better choices, use smaller portions and make small changes that I could live with for the rest of my life!

Are you keeping a food diary? There is a great one at -- it calculates all the fat, calories, carbs, vitamins, etc., in the foods you eat. You'd be amazed sometimes at how much more you might be eating than you think! I thought I wasn't eating anything :D until I saw it all "laid out" for me! Now I know better! :p

07-20-2001, 09:57 AM
I wanted to thank everyone who mentioned that their insurance covered their Xenical. I decided to go check the web site on my insurance (AETNA US Healthcare) and after doing a little digging I found out that they WILL pay for the Xenical if your BMI is over 30 (mine is 45) or if it's over 27 and you meet certain medical conditions!

I'm thrilled to see that because at $125 I was dreading having to buy the next bottle! I'm giving them a call today to find out what I need to do to get reimbursed for the one I already bought!

For those of you who paid, make sure you check with insurance to see if they have any clauses like this one! It's not something they make well known, so you might have to do a little digging! :dizzy:

07-20-2001, 01:19 PM
I am new here, and I want to congratulate you on your 100lb loss, but, there is also something I am disappointed about. Tops means to take off pounds sensibly. I used to be in the local chapter and had some very bad experiences. People made fun of each other instead of supporting others, they would go out and eat candy and at restaurants after the meetings, and some even used weight loss pills like you. It is not allowed to use supplements, pills, or be in weight watchers or another program while participating in tops. If you are doing any of these, you are not legally eligible for competitions and weight loss contests. Please read your rule book and be fair to others in your group by losing weight the natural way. Besides, my aunt took Xenical and had diarrhea the whole time. She lost 85 lbs, but gained 65 of it back after she quit taking it. It made her very ill, and now she is right back where she started. I encourage you to change your diet and lifestyle and not take a pill that could risk your health later in life. Good luck on whatever you choose to do!

07-20-2001, 02:00 PM
Wow looks like we're growing (but only as a

Wasitme: I'm curious to know who said you could only have 30-35 grams of fat? According to the literature and my dr. you're supposed to consume the required calories with 30% of those coming from fat. In this case with 1500 calories you would get 450 calories or 50 grams of fat, and with 1800 that increases to 60 may want to check this out!!!

VR: I agree regarding the support issue... Right now of course I am extremely motivated, however when things slow down I may revisit the TOPS or WW idea just to "refresh" myself with something new.

Hope you get stuff too! Let me's really fun..I called last sunday to "register" and the binder arrived on Thursday...very good service!

Are you guys not using the food diary on the Xenical website? I've been using it, but it does mean you have to enter the calories & fat grams yourself (it does the addition) and it is all saved. I've been using it this week to see how I like it...I can access it from home or work, so that's convenient...but I do have the nice food journal diary provided in my package of goodies.
(I may look at the site you mentioned to check it out!)

As for my "plan"...I'm simply eating well balanced meals and counting the calories and fat as per the package and/or general information. As I am now more "aware" of what I'm eating...I notice that while I can usually make my 1500 calories, I don't make the 50 grams...I think I just need to play around with this a fact the other day I had a small sundae from McDonalds as I had leftover calories and fat grams...It was a very nice treat. I think I have to learn to incorporate more treats in my diet...but I know that will come with time.

Wasitme....are you following a specific plan? or just "counting"...when do you "weigh in" and/or how much weight have you lost in the month?


07-21-2001, 03:56 PM
Hi ladies!

Well, today is Saturday.....just 5 full days using xenical. My fear of the dreaded side effects have kept me honest and ever vigilant of the fat monster lerking in my food. I started at 310 lbs. and this morning weighed in at 300!!! I am so excited. I've been to TOPS, WW, Jenny, and lots more. They are good for support but I am sick and tired of organizations making money off my misery. Besides, now that I have found u guys, I feel like I can get my support here for free!!! And that makes me happy!!!!

Hope to find u guys online one of these times. It would be great to chat real time.


07-21-2001, 05:25 PM
Hey Pabs...that's awesome...congrats on the super weight loss! You must be so thrilled.

I know when I'm not "dieting" or watching what I eat I am so obsessed about my weight and constantly feeling lousy, but when I'm in "control" and doing something about it...I do feel really good....and that leaves my mind to concentrate on other things..rather than how FAT I am!!! :(

I have "snuck" on the bathroom scale (but it does need a new battery - it's electronic)...and so far looks like 4.5 lbs down since Monday...maybe I can make it an even 5 for Monday a.m. - my "official" weigh in.... however I do go back to dr. for my real weigh in mid-august.

Are you following a specific food plan??? or just "monitoring" what you eat?

Anyways whatever you're doing seems to be working so keep it up!


07-21-2001, 09:30 PM
I read with interest all of your posts, and you have all inspired me. I took Zenical over a year ago, I lost weight and have kept it off (about25 pounds), But one thing lead to another etc and I stopped taking it. I still have plenty in my medicine cabinet (which my insurance DID pay for) so I'm going right now and take it. And starting tomorrow I will take it three time a day as directed. I have been on such a downer :cry: the last few months that I haven't been able to lose an ounce. Maybe this will be the jump start I need to get back on the right track :?: Wish me luch and I wish the same to all of you. Keep posting your results and I'll do the same.

07-21-2001, 09:46 PM
Join the gang...nice to hear you were once successful with Xenical...and that you are renewing your journey to continue to lose weight. I'm sure it will give you the jump start you need!

And we are all here definitely to support each other as best we can.

Keep us posted on your progress & successes!

Froufie:D :)

07-21-2001, 11:55 PM
Hi Snakegurl,

I'm sorry to hear that you had a bad experience with your TOPS chapter. Not all of them are the same unfortunately, I guess. I'm fortunate to belong to a very nice, supportive group. Last year I volunteered to be the Chapter Leader and I get nothing but support and praise from the other members.

I take it you haven't been a TOPS member for a couple of years because in January 2000, TOPS changed the national rules and removed the one about people not be allowed using pills or surgery to help them lose weight. Check out the TOPS web site or ask a current member for the copy of the national rules. As chapter Leader I have to be aware of them and I can assure you that I am not cheating anyone.

Over the years TOPS has grown and thank GOD, it is keeping up with the times and the latest research which states that obesity is IN FACT to be considered a disease and as with any disease, medication or other procedures are sometimes needed in order to help a person deal with it. They now allow you to use these methods at TOPS IF YOUR DOCTOR RECOMMENDS IT. They no longer disqualify people from competitions or contests like they used to.

My doctor is wonderful and extremely supportive of my weight loss and the fact that I have lost 100 lbs and would like to lose another 100. She thoroughly went over the side effects of Xenical with me and she also let me know that the reason she likes Xenical over some of the other meds is that it DOES NOT have the dangerous side effects that some other's do (like increased heart rate, etc).

As for my 100 lb loss, I did it all on my own with a healthy diet and exercise and yeah it's great, but sometimes you get to a point where the body won't lose anymore and that is where I have been for the past 6 months.

I'm a 36 year old Mom of 2 boys, ages 3 and 6. They are the joy of my life and definitely a reason for me to want to live. I'm sorry if it upsets you, but I will use whatever means are available to me to get to help me get to my goal.

When my 3 year old was born, I weighed 430 lbs. Even at 5 feet, 11 inches, that's over 200 lbs more than I should have weighed! I spent about 3 months in the hospital during the pregnancy because of a life threatening blod clot that developed and was further aggravated by my weight while I was only 11 weeks pregnant. I was on heparin for 3 months of the pregnancy and on a newer blood thinner called "lovenox" for the other 3 months.

My leg was so swollen from the clot that I had to be on total bed rest for 3 weeks and use a bed pan in the hospital. Have you ever had to rely on someone else to wipe your rear? I had to because my swelling was so bad that my mobility was limited. Let me tell you, it's a humiliating experience.

Before they sent me home I had a porta cath inserted into my jugular vein. Because of my weight and my pregancy I couldn't be have anesthesia so I had to endure this wide awake. I cried in the OR through the whole procedure. I prayed to God and I swore to myself after that that I would never ever ever allow myself to be in that type of situation again. My weight was killing me and I had to put an end to that nonsense. I still have an ugly scar on my chest from that porta cath and everytime I look at it I remember why I want to keep losing weight.

I had a 2 year old son at home at the time and I had no one to take care of him, so we had to send him from relative to relative while I was in the hospital. It was my first time being seperated from him and it was the hardest thing I ever did. When I came home, I had to use a walker and I could barely get to the bathroom even with that. The pain in my leg was unreal. I had a visiting nurse come draw my blood everyday and change my needle until my porta cath became infected and I had to go back to the hospital to have it removed.

At that point, I was put on injections. I could barely take care of my son and I had to inject myself in the stomach with blood thinners 3 times a day. I used to sit on my bed and cry as I tried to brace myself to stick this needle in yet another part of my stomach. Always looking for a spot that wasn't already black and blue from the other injections. I felt trapped in my own body and I felt like my son was being deprived of having a healthy Mom and a normal life.

A couple of times I had to go back to the hospital and I was constantly remind how real the threat of a stroke was for me. I was 33 years old. That was devasting to me to think that I could die and leave my 2 year old with no Mom and my husband, who was working 80 hours a week to support us, alone to raise him.

I've been overweight my whole life. I'm not a pig, I don't sit around all day eating -- I never did. For some reason, I'm just one of those people who gains weight easily. Maybe it's not fair, but this is the body GOD has given me and it's up to me to make the best of it. I was able to lose 100 lbs with no pills, just exercise and eating right and that's great. But now I need help losing another 100. I'm sorry that you disapprove of the pills -- all I can say is everyone has to decide for themselves what is best. Don't ever take pills or do anything that is against your belief.

Now I eat right, very low fat, and I exercise at least 6 times a week. I can walk for hours now without stopping or being out of breath. I do Tae Bo, something that most women who weigh 330 lbs can't do. I'm proud of what I have accomplished. I'm not looking to be a model or wear a thong bikini. I just want to be healthy and to take care of my boys and watch they grow up and get married. I want to be able to get on the floor and play with them without my knees or my back hurting. I want to walk my 6 year old to the bus stop and not have other kids laughing at his fat Mom.

I want a lot for myself and my family and if taking Xenical now means I can accomplish what I started 2 years ago, then with God's help, I will do what I need and the only judgement I need is his.

07-22-2001, 12:08 AM
Welcome! It's definitely nice to have some people joining us here!

Froufy, HOORAY on your success so far this week! Pabs, you also sound like you are doing wonderful! I stood on the scale this evening and it looks like I might be down another couple of pounds myself so I too am hoping to show another loss on Wednesday at TOPS! I have been exercising diligently and it feels good to know that it will start paying off again!

I did find out that I'm going to have to fight with my insurance to get them to pay for the Xenical. They don't just say "yes" and apparently their own reps weren't aware they had any information on the web site that says they can pay if you have a BMI over 30, so it looks like I have my work cut out for me, but I'm up for the challenge! :smug:

GOOD LUCK to all of us and everyone have a great weekend! We're having dinner tomorrow with friends that I haven't seen since last summer. They went to OK for 2 years to attend a bible ministry school and I'm excited to have them back home again! I'm bringing a healthy dessert to their house: Angel food cake with fresh strawberries, fresh blueberries and fat free whipped cream! It's one of my favorite things to have for dessert! Tastes great without the fat and calories!!


07-22-2001, 03:22 AM
I've been watching this thread and also looking at the two sample bottles of Xenical on my shelf.

I had made up many excuses not to use Xenical -- side effects, too expensive, etc -- and finally decided that the reason I haven't used it yet is because every time I take it, it would be the struggle between me, myself and I.

I eat a lot of fat, I have side effects.

I stay within the guidelines, it does what it is supposed to do.

I've decided to go for it. Facing the side effects is enough to make me rethink eating a lot of fat.

I'll keep you posted. Count me in, and continued success to you all!


07-22-2001, 03:33 AM
Good for you Claire!! Let us know how you make out! ;)

07-22-2001, 01:38 PM
Nice to have you aboard...and I hear what you're almost have to keep low fat in order to avoid those nasty side that might be a bonus in disguise! Don't forget to check out the website, where you can track you progress and enter your daily food diary ( Let us know how you're doing and how many cals/fat grams you're consuming.

And Violet Rose I was extremely moved and touched by your response to snakegurrl.......I can only say "more power to you" obviously know where you're going and I for one, am absolutely certain you'll get there. You sound motivated and committed and I'm sure you'll be a great source of inspiration and support to others here. At least you are to me!

As for the insurance...sounds like they need some "educating" and you're definitely the one to do this. If it is a policy then it should be pretty simple for them to reimburse you as required. I'm sure you dr. can help out if required.

My greatest concern today is this afternoon's party for our youngest, Sam, who is turning 3....not sure how it will play out and I am trying to organize/plan my eating, but I'm afraid I will start nibbling and things will get out of hand.

I think I will just skip the pill, as we will be ordering in pizza, there will be chocolate cake and ice cream as well as chips and other stuff (frozen strawberry daiquiries..yum). I think it is fairly obvious that I will be over the 30% fat limit even if I have just a bit of this and that......I guess I'll play it by ear and see how it goes. I think I might splurge and just regroup for tomorrow.

Time to go pick up the cake (Buzz Lightyear!) and balloons and start decorating (Sam's just gone down for his nap and party guests, all 20 of them, to arrive later).

Talk to you later!


07-22-2001, 04:33 PM
Good luck today Frouf! Once in a while it's good to have a little splurge! I learned a long time ago that trying to be "perfect" all the time was never going to work, so once in a while I will enjoy a day like that and the next day I make sure I'm back on track!

I'm home waiting for my husband to come back so we can go to our friends' house for dinner. We were on the way there when his emergency pager went off and he had to respond. Rarely happens, so I can't complain and it means good OT $ -- so it looks like our dinner is postponed a couple of hours, but that's ok! I'm taking advantage of the time to get some laundry out of the way and I did my Tae Bo this morning, so I may kick back for an hour and put my feet up!

How many kids do you have? And not to get off subject, but let me know if you have any luck in the potty training, my 3 year old is giving me the hardest time!! Stubborn little guy!

Vi :dizzy:

P.S. Thanks for the support! It means a LOT to me! ;)

07-23-2001, 10:57 AM
Potty training..are you kidding??..I feel like Sam will be in diapers forever (but I know that's not true). Other kids include 15 yr old son (welcome to the wonderful teenage years)..and a 9 yr old my house is a very busy place! (I also work full time and go to school part time, doing my MBA.. - yes the word insane has been used in describing me).

As for the party...I did have a good time...very busy making sure eveyone was being taken care of. I had a couple of handfuls of chips, one frozen strawberry daiquiri, one slice of veggie pizza (it was a big one tho), and a small square of chocolate cake....I didn't go crazy, but neither did I take a Xenical pill, cuz I certainly did not want to succumb to any nasty side effects due to too much fat.

The weird thing is I feel okay...not guilty or sick about what I ate..and I'm not beating myself up about it..which is very different than past behaviour....Maybe I should be feeling more guilty???:smug:

But I did step on the scale this a.m....drumroll please...official weight loss for this week is 4.5 lbs (okay it was hovering near the 5 lb mark, but I"m being conservative).

I am very pleased with this and am hoping to make my goal of 15 lbs by my next dr's appt.!

Still no exercising tho...this is something I definitely have to work at!

Let's hear how everyone else is doing!


07-23-2001, 11:42 PM
I am so glad that I found u guys! Too many times I've been to weight groups whose members only have a small amount of weight to lose. I have nothing against them, but they have no clue what it means to be looking at a weight loss of over 100 lbs.

Thank you for all of your words of encouragement.

Continued success to all of us!!!!!!


07-24-2001, 12:12 AM
Pabs, hang in there! I know exactly what you mean! Sometimes it can be hard for other's to relate when they haven't walked in the same shoes. Stay determined and hang in there. I don't care how long it takes me or how many different things I have to try along the way, I plan to make my goal someday!

Froufy, I am finally getting my 3 year old (Dylan) to go on the potty, but it's been pulling teeth to get him there! Some days I too fell like I'll be changing diapers forever!

I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the party. It sounds like you didn't do too bad. Summer is THE worst time for me, it seems like everytime I turn around there is another BBQ and more food! I've been trying hard to remain in control, but I know I could be doing a lot better, so I'm trying to step up the exercise again. I just wish I could get back that "fire" that I had the first 6 months at TOPS, when I could ignore all the "goodies"!

By the way, I admire you for choosing to skip the Xenical the day of the party, I probably would have still taken it and then been left to deal with those UGLY side effects! :o

Sounds like you are doing great. Keep up the good work!

07-24-2001, 08:31 PM
Another couple of dayson Xenical and I am strongly resisting the urge to step on the scale (yes I did get a new battery for it).

I don't want to see if any damage was done on the I'm hoping a few days of watching my intake will correct anything that may have gone wrong.

I am definitely now hitting my stride, and consuming around 1500-1700 cals per day....and about 40-45 fat I'm supposed to. I am anxious to see how this is working as I am a bit more relaxed this week and having the occasional treat (seeing as I was never able to reach my max fat grams last week). Only time will tell if this is working!

Tonight I had garlic shrimp for dinner...seriouly low in calories and fat (according to the box nutritional label....133 grams has only 71 calories and 0.1 fat grams!!!) I was able to splurge and have some leftover birthday cake for dessert!:smug:

Tomorrow should be tougher as I work all day, then I'm in class from 4 pm-10 I'm already packing lots of goodies and dinner to take with me (this is also a very stressful class so I tend to nibble a lot!).

Is everyone else also taking a multivitamin? I take one before bed...and in the a.m. I take a B supplement and 500 mg of calcium as I am not a big milk drinker!

Let me know how you are all doing!


P.S. How about the name Xenical Xanies for our group?

07-24-2001, 10:43 PM
Cute name! I like it!

I have my weigh in at TOPS tomorrow and I'm SO nervous. I just finished filling out my food menu for the last couple of days and I have had some major snack attacks. I'm in that dreaded "PMS" week where my appetite never ends. I'm also retaining water from the 95 degree heat and humidity that we've been having the past few days. Needless to say, I'm not expecting any miracles tomorrow! But I have been keeping up with my exercise and as we say at TOPS "Tomorrow starts a new week" -- so I'll just have to deal with whatever the scale says!

Sounds like you have been doing great. Keep it going! I think you will have a terrific weigh in at the doctor's!

07-24-2001, 11:14 PM
I am not on Xenical, but I know a lot about it, and have a few aquaintences who have taken it. The research I have done has shown that it is just an approved form of chitosal/chitosan and the ingredieant can be found in many supplements at your local vitamin type store or store that sells diet supplements, you just need to read the label. It definitely does not run anywhere near the price range you are talking about!:o

07-25-2001, 12:10 AM
I've used chitosan, in fact I use it for a while and I can tell you that it didn't work nearly the same way as the Xenical. Chitosan is the ingredient that is also found in things like "The Enforma System" which promises you that you can eat "anything you want" and still lose weight. Which we all know isn't true! (Don't I wish!!) Chitosan is used in major oil spills (like the Exxon thing a few years back) and I also read that while it can block some fat, you would have to take a substantial amount before it produced any substantial result. I agree that the Chitosan is cheaper, but if I needed to take that much for it to work, then I guess I would have ended up spending the same as I'm paying for Xenical?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to push the Xenical in any way shape or form! I definitely believe everyone needs to use whatever method works for them! I lost a lot of weight on my own and now I'm hoping to break my slump with the Xenical. I still believe that a healthy diet and exercise is the way to go!

Thanks for the info though!

07-25-2001, 12:22 PM
Hey guys been on xenical for awhile and know about the icky side effects which can also be very embarrassing. But it doesn't make sense if you dont take the xenical during your high fatty meals because that's when its most effective and then also not take them when u have low fat meals! Then when do you take them? During 'normal' meals?
It makes more sense to me that u treat xenical as a harbringer of consequences...(we know what they are, let's not go into detail) that if u want to eat fatty meals then u have to deal with the consequences and this can begin to instill a sense of discipline about your diet. It becomes too easy to become lax about your diet and xenical when u base it upon what type of food u eat. I think that even when you go off xenical, the discipline instilled will be important in an ongoing healthy lifestyle and better eating habits.

07-25-2001, 02:22 PM
I think the goal is to instill healthy eating habits in the long that we choose the lower fat heathlier foods....especially once we have lost the weight, motivation will be high to keep it off!

As for when we take it...I guess that's just a matter of choice. The goal would be to always stay within the 30% fat range, but I guess that's not always possible. One can either skip the pill once in a while, or take it and hope for the best. The goal of the pill is not to "punish" you into suffering nasty side effects because you ate too much doesn't work best just because you ate a higher fat meal...It consistently blocks 1/3 of the fat you eat.

The sense of discipline will come from seeing the numbers move down and the clothes fit better and the breathlessness decrease...not from "suffering the consequences" of an occasional high fat meal.

I hope this medication gives me the jump start I need to begin my weight loss journey.

How long have you been on Xenical and what success have you had Turby? When & how often did you have unpleasant side effects? I'm curious cuz I've only been on for about 10 days now...and so far so good.


07-26-2001, 12:16 AM
After reading all of your post you inspired me to try taking the Xenical again. I have now finished day 4 and can tell it is starting to work. I'm not sure if I've lost anything yet, but I know it will come.Consistency (i't would have had more impact if I knew how to spell it) BUT...that is what my doctor says the secret of sucess for Xenical. That means taking it when you eat low fat or french fries an onion rings!!! And yes you will pay for the french fries. Anyway keep up the good work and I'll weigh in, in the morning an let you know if I've losty anything. Claire!!! Boy is it good to hear from you. Where are you hanging out now? I'm still struggling with Oxycise, but not having much sucess. I've also change health clubs and this one has some GREAT water aerobics classes. Email me at so we can catch up!!

Hopefully I get to know the rest of you. violet Rose I'm really jealous of the way you seem to have it all together. I can't seem to stay motivaated long enought on any one thing, but jump from plan to plan to plan looking for that ONE thing that will finally work for me.

Hope the rest of the week is good for everyone, and I'll try to stop by more often.

07-26-2001, 03:50 PM
Weigh-in went pretty much as I expected! I gained a pound. But I know why, so I'm not beating myself up over it. And I *DID* get my period today so that can account for some of it. But most importantly it proves that no pill will work for you if YOU don't put in the effort and I know this week I had a lot of major "no-no's" so hopefully those people out there who criticize us for taking Xenical will see that no one here is taking the easy way out. Even with the Xenical you still have to do your part!

I plan to make this a better week! I am being extra careful by weighing, measuring and CHARTING everything! I'm also making sure I have all my water.

At least the heat eased up today! It's actually a chilly rainy day. Big switch from the oppressive heat we had yesterday!

I have to get on the ball and write to my insurance company in the hopes that I can get them to change their mind about not paying for Xenical. I'm truly dreading having to pay $125 for it next month! :mad: But I will if I have to! I figure I've spent enough money on stuff that never worked, might as well spend it on something that does!

Ageoldie, thanks for the compliments...I just SEEM to have it altogether...hahaha. But seriously thanks! I try my best and I refuse to give up. That's all there is to it!


07-26-2001, 05:18 PM
Hi everyone,

Hope all is well...I am still sticking to it, which in itself quite amazing. I do have times when I am still extremely hungry, but I am trying to cope with that...I am also increasing my water intake, trying to get in at least 8 glasses a day. I hope that helps.

VR: I wouldn't worry about 1 measly pound gain, considering it's your TOM.....this will only add to the great loss you'll have next week!

Ageoldie...glad to see you on board...let us know how you're doing. How many cals/fat grams are you consuming? Any particular plan....are you writing everything down?

As for your dr. suggesting consistency...does that mean you take a pill after each matter what? My dr. did say that the breakfast one could be skipped if it was very low fat...

Would LOVE to hear from all the other Xenical Xanies and see how they're progressing!

I did hop on the scale (okay about 20 times because I'm obsessed)...and it kept registering two numbers which were 2 lbs apart??? Of course this made me even shows my "original" weight loss (4.5 lbs)...and the other shows a further loss of 2 lbs (which would be AWESOME!):?:

I know I shouldn't be weighing myself so constantly but I do need that motivation to keep going. I'm also hoping that by following my food plan that "possible" 2 lb loss will turn into a reality???

I will try to avoid the scale jumping tomorrow a.m....but it's so hard...anyone else have this problem???


07-26-2001, 11:19 PM
I do the same thing! I jump on and off the scale about 20 times a day. It's a hard habit to break and for the longest time I wouldn't buy a scale because I knew I would do that! Sometimes I think I was better off not knowing!

07-27-2001, 08:31 PM this morning I only hopped on the scale a couple of times (but made dh go on a few times to see what was going on)...since I was late for work I had no time to continue, but it does look like I've lost some more weight, which is quite thrilling!

I'm still hungry sometimes so I think I'm not eating right combinations or enuf veggies or fibre maybe? And I'm still having trouble getting in 50 grams of fat..but I figure that's mostly to my advantage.

I'm a bit anxious about this weekend as I'm going to Montreal for a family event which will be EXTREMELY STRESSFUL!!!! My brother is flying in from Florida, so it will be very nice to see him again.

We are staying in a hotel and will be taking all our meals out, so I know I'll have to plan carefully and may not have the information I need to calculate all fat grams. I know there is a "chicken" place nearby, as well as a fish place, both of which I'm sure I can handle. Bought myself one of those calorie/fat gram counting books which I hope will help.

Hope you all have a great weekend....I'll check in later!


07-28-2001, 02:24 AM
Good luck Frouf! Eating out is always difficult for me, but I have learned how to handle it a lot better than I used to! One of the tricks is to share a meal with someone or take half home and have it for lunch the next day (that probably won't work if you're staying at a hotel though). But scour the menus, they have lots of low-fat options these days!

I was doing great until tonight! Took the kids to an amusement park and indulged in too many goodies! I think I will walk 4 miles tomorrow to try and make up for it! :lol:

You sound like you have been on a roll! Don't let the trip set you back! You can do it!

I'm so amazed that you have a hard time eating all your fat. I have a hard time NOT going over! I think in the beginning though, I was the same way. I was so motivated and SO GOOD that I never went over on anything, but then I also lost about 10 lbs a month! (This was pre-Xenical.) How I wish that enthusiasm could have been bottled into a blue pill for me!!

I go through weeks when I'm ravenous, by the way. I think I'm having one of THOSE weeks right now in fact! The hunger thing eludes me, I wish I could find the secret to eating less and NOT being hungry, unless the hunger is all in my head!


07-29-2001, 12:09 PM
Well I didn't walk 4 miles on Saturday, but I walked 2 and I stayed with my plan! Ate within my "exchange system", didn't go over on fat or calories and didn't eat before bed. That alone is a huge accomplishment for me. Now if I could get back to doing that every day! I'll take it one day at a time!

Today we're taking the kids to a ball game. That will be a real test for me as the place is loaded with ice cream, hot dogs, fried dough and a million other goodies!

Here's to ending the weekend on a GOOD NOTE!