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The Robot of Love
01-15-2006, 04:19 AM
So I've been lurking for some time now and have been doing a lot of research on this board. I've used it as a good starting point in trying to organize my diet plan (thanks!).

I've already lost over 70lbs through eating right and exercise. I can't seem to get past the 145-150 hump though. I've worked so hard and to be stuck on this plateu for as long as I have is extremely disheartening. My job also doesn't make my dieting efforts easy. I work 5 days a week either 9-5:30 or 1:30- 10 in a mall. I don't have the ability I used to have to eat 5 small meals a day, let alone healthy meals while at work. We don't have a refrigator or microwave so bringing a meal to work is a difficult task (warm lunchmeat is kinda gross). So I eat a lot of Chinese and Subway :rofl:

So here's what I am wondering, there has to be SOMETHING someone has taken on this message board that helped them boost their efforts. I plan on exercising and continue my diet, but I just feel the need to incorporate something else that might help me burst through this blah streak. I don't have health insurance so consulting a doctor is out of the question, let alone a prescription pill.

It's just so hard to find unbiased information on the internet! ugh!

Like I already said, I plan on using a pill in conjunction with watching what I eat/exercising. I'd just like something that gives me a boost in my effort. Suggestions?!

Thanks so much in advance to anyone who takes time to read this or offer insight.


tobetheman
01-15-2006, 08:00 AM
I agree that there's a negative vibe around pills on the boards. Yet, in truth I think if u take them u should only take them short term or a few months at most and u gotta get off them. To go back on again is okay but short term too and after that u shouldn't really need to use them for anything else except for maybe losing some quick weight for a specific reason. Anyway, I am finding a hard time seeing a great supplement anymore. OLD hydroxycut was good at stopping my hunger and okay for about two weeks at giving me an energy boost. This is with the fact that I drink a good amount of diet coke. I also drink fresca by the way. My mom took 7 keto and it was good. Not great but good. As for hoodia I have done a lot of research and find so much bias without hearing what is really being said by the owner of the patent or without regard to what patent law rules are in regards to a naturally occurring ingrediant like what hoodia contains. I would not try trimspa though or such weaker stuff that obviously doesn't work. We all know that stuff just doesn't work cause there's so much info and personal accounts and facts about it's contents posted over legit and not so obvious legit sites. I am actually gonna try some hoodia after doing some through research but watch out if u do try this stuff as the way it's manufactured and who manuf. it as well as who sells it matter. Some will say forget the pills but there's no reason not to take them short term if they work. But as always is the basis of truth in losing weight and keeping it off, a proper diet and exercise must be the core. This is always the truth. The pills could curb hunger or give a boost of energy for workout but they will never be the workout - until maybe with a chance discovery someone finds out how to manipulate our genes to safely simulate exercise without the movement, with all the benefits included. Even if one finds a pill to curb hunger u need exercise to keep ur metabolism up cause it would be like starving urself or it would make ur body compensate for the lower calorie level. This is my opinion but I know u gotta move and u gotta eat less to lose weight. U gotta eat right to get less health problems that revolve around a bad diet.

jules1216
01-15-2006, 09:04 AM
I have actually tried propolene, trimspa and relacore and am here to tell you that none of them helped. Exercise, water and portion control is what is working for me.
I am lucky as we have refridgerators and microwaves at the office where I work. My son on the other hand is a electricians helper and takes his lunch and the only sandwich he doesn't like cold is his peanut butter and jelly. He bought himself a good thermos for hot foods and a insulated lunchbox with icepacks to keep things colder. He also says it helps to put the sandwich in a baggie and then wrap it in aluminum foil and out it directly on top of the cold pack. He says it takes a little extra time but it's worth it.


Suzanne 3FC
01-15-2006, 09:58 AM
I think Jules gave excellent advice :)

The reason we don't seem supportive of diet pills here is because we've heard too many horror stories of side effects or psychological dependence, and our own investigations into the the ingredients and published studies have shown information completely different than what the manufacturers promise. OTC products are not regulated, so it's pretty much anything goes in that industry. There are too many things that can go wrong. We do think that there are some situations where someone needs a little extra help, but that should be received through a prescription and monitoring by a physician.

If what you are doing isn't working anymore, then maybe it's time to try something new :) I second Jules advice about the cooler and thermos. You can pack salads, fruit, sandwich fixings, yogurt, etc. I'd stay away from the Chinese because it can be very deceiving. It looks like a lot of chicken and vegetables, but it's usually coated in high calorie sauces. The average Chinese restaurant serving of General Tso's Chicken contains 1600 calories and 59 grams fat. Kung Pao Chicken has 1620 calories and 76 grams fat. :eek:

Another option is to increase your exercise. Your body may just need a kick-start to boost your metabolism, and tossing in a few more cardio sessions a week might do it :)

Good luck!

Amarantha2
01-15-2006, 10:26 AM
Truthfully, I am very unbiased about most things, including diet meds IF prescribed by a reputable physician. :)

In the dim past I have tried every type of weight loss effort known to man, including diet supplements and including those with ephedera, which is happily mostly not available over the counter anymore. Ephedera IS the only supplement that ever moved any pounds off my bod, but with a cardio condition, it was highly dangerous to take it ... and it's dangerous for ANYONE to take it, in my opinion. If someone prefers death to a few extra pounds, I'd recommend ephedera!

I've taken the Keto 7, the green tea, the Relacore, etc. Most of what I've taken has been sort of benign and not harmful, but in my opinion it's all a waste of money. The Relacore was kind of a good vitamin supplement, actually, but it cost $48 a bottle, so I decided on One-A-Day instead! :)

Since those days, which were awhile ago, I've come to the conclusion that making the effort to eat right despite whatever circumstances arise (I also have problems juggling job and eating right), there's just no substitute for a healthy diet and exercise. It's also been a MAGIC PILL to cut out refined sugar and white flour ... I've broken plateaus everytime I've done this.

I third the advice Jules gave about coolers. There are also those tiny plug-in refrigerator units available for not a lot o' moola! I've seen them in drugstores and Wally World.

If you did want to try green tea as a "diet aid," you could just make green tea and carry it in a little thermos and sip it through the day. It's pretty healthy, so even if you don't lose weight from it, you'd be getting some nice antioxidants and it tastes good with lemon in it.

Good luck!

charliekay
01-15-2006, 11:27 AM
So I've been lurking for some time now and have been doing a lot of research on this board. I've used it as a good starting point in trying to organize my diet plan (thanks!).

I've already lost over 70lbs through eating right and exercise. I can't seem to get past the 145-150 hump though. I've worked so hard and to be stuck on this plateu for as long as I have is extremely disheartening. My job also doesn't make my dieting efforts easy. I work 5 days a week either 9-5:30 or 1:30- 10 in a mall. I don't have the ability I used to have to eat 5 small meals a day, let alone healthy meals while at work. We don't have a refrigator or microwave so bringing a meal to work is a difficult task (warm lunchmeat is kinda gross). So I eat a lot of Chinese and Subway :rofl:

So here's what I am wondering, there has to be SOMETHING someone has taken on this message board that helped them boost their efforts. I plan on exercising and continue my diet, but I just feel the need to incorporate something else that might help me burst through this blah streak. I don't have health insurance so consulting a doctor is out of the question, let alone a prescription pill.

It's just so hard to find unbiased information on the internet! ugh!

Like I already said, I plan on using a pill in conjunction with watching what I eat/exercising. I'd just like something that gives me a boost in my effort. Suggestions?!

Thanks so much in advance to anyone who takes time to read this or offer insight.


boy i am soo glad i am not the only who feels the heat about pills around here,i don't want it to take forever to lose 10 pounds so i use pills,but boy i hear about.

jules1216
01-15-2006, 11:34 AM
boy i am soo glad i am not the only who feels the heat about pills around here,i don't want it to take forever to lose 10 pounds so i use pills,but boy i hear about.

I too have tried the pills looking for a quick fix, I am just saying...don't get your hopes up.

srmb60
01-15-2006, 11:49 AM
I think Mel would tell you that the 'ingredient' we need for that extra boost is weight lifting.

srmb60
01-15-2006, 12:13 PM
I tried to go and do some houework but this thread was bothering me. I actually have something of my own to say :)

We've now been in the age of modern medicine for a long time. Over this time we've become aware of the facts that 1. medications can have unforseen adverse side-effects. 2. some of these side-effects can be permanent.

While, I'm certain that there are safe diet pills out there. I worry about the risks involved. Particularly since lots of folks seem to be able to achieve weight loss without them.

I don't doubt you when you say that you eat well and exercise. That's not it at all. I just want you to make sure you've examined all the safe ways to crack that plateau before you try something with any risk involved.

Ask more questions. Get more tips. Have you done any reading in the Maintainers Forum? Everyone here at 3 fat chicks would be happy to help you make the healthiest and safest choice.

The Robot of Love
01-15-2006, 02:16 PM
I took a salad to work once and by the time I had my break it was soggy and gross. :( It also doesn't help that I really don't like most lunchmeat. The lunchmeat that I do like, isn't sold here. It's only available back home in Virginia :( I'm a VERY picky eater.

I'm not looking for a miracle pill by ANY means. As many people have said on this forum and in other places, if there was a magical pill that could shed pounds right off of you.. there wouldn't be an obseity problem in the world.

I was just merely inquiring about something that could effectively surpress my appetite a bit or give me some more energy. Coz boy, lemme tell ya.. after standing for 8-10 hours and constantly moving, I don't have much energy. I force myself to workout anyway, but a boost would be really awesome.


As far as Chinese goes, I always get beef with brocoli and steamed rice. I drink water CONSTANTLY. I've limited myself to only one diet soda a day. I'm Pakistani, so I grew up on green tea :) I've had a cup a day since I was old enough to handle a hot liquid. I try to make as much Pakistani food as possible because it's so incredibly healthy and filling. Everything is boiled or baked! Veggies are a must when eating Paki food (oh how I love spinach).

I once took those Mega Green tea pills and found some sucess with them. I retain water BADLY and it helped me get rid of that (anyone have any tips on that area too?). I also got an energy boost. But after being on them for a week, the energy boost was no longer apparent. So I stopped. I only had a negative experience once while taking it. I got really nasuated one day but that was because I didn't drink the required amount of water. I drank more water the next time and I was fine.

I'm so close to my goal weight (only 20lbs!), it's just taking forever to get there!!!!!!!!!!

GonnaLooseitagain
01-15-2006, 02:22 PM
I know what you mean, I have around 15-20lbs to go also, and it is soooo hard to get it going. But the winter is the worst time to try to loose weight, so as long as I maintain until spring, I will be happy if I only loose 2-5lbs per month in the WINTER time. Because when Spring/Summer/Fall roll around I will be moving around like crazy and eating better than I do now (which is pretty darn good..lol) but FRESH is best and spring/summer is when the fresh stuff returns.

penpal
01-15-2006, 04:25 PM
I have tried so called 'fat blockers', hoodia, etc. in the past and none made any difference for me (except to lighten my wallet :( ). What DOES work for me is eating about half the calories that I used to and exercising moderately.

Besides, who can afford (financially and health-wise) to take this stuff FOR EVER? If it actually did work, then obviously you would gain weight as soon as you stopped taking it. I'm in favor of a lifestyle change rather than a quick fix.

In genuine medical studies I've read about "maintainers" who have kept the weight off for a long period of time, you never hear them say that it's thanks to a little pill.

SmartButt
01-15-2006, 05:08 PM
I think one of the problems with diet pills is that it is hard for people to believe that the manufacturers can make up COMPLETE LIES about their product to sell it. If you notice, ALL of these quick-fix pills have "these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA" underneath them. The loopholes they can use just by their choices of words are amazing.

I know several people who see these commercials on TV, with the people swearing to god that these pills helped them (let's take Anna Nicole for instance) and how YOU TOO can have this body. But even Anna herself admits she eats 5 small meals a day and works her a$$ off, exercise-wise. (Thank goodness Anna isn't bright enough to remember her contractual obligations 100% of the time to b.s. about this product!)

The bottom line is, I have known umpteen people who have tried diet pills or appetite suppresants or "metabolism boosters". Some of them lost a few pounds over the course of a few months. Now, I will share with you the success stories of the people who not only kept that off, but continued to see success with the pills....

*cricket chirping*

Oh, that's right. There were none. Zero of the people I know had any luck with any pills. Those that lost 3-5 lbs over a few months, eventually and slowly gained it back while still taking the pills. That's why the boards are so "anti" pills - you are talking directly to the people that used them! They are simply giving you the truth.

Robot - it sounds like you've made some sweet progress and are very close to that goal. I know how frustrating it is to have varying work hours and schedules and not be able to lose. It seems impossible getting into an eating/exercise routine when you don't know what you'll be doing day to day! I think perhaps the ice-pack small cooler thing might be worth a shot. Isn't there *any* place in the mall that sells salads? Even if it was a fast food salad, you could bring your own low-cal dressing in that cooler pack? Also, meals with protein in them seem to last longer in the tummy from my experience. I started having low-fat string cheese as a snack, and these 80-calorie yogurt smoothies and that seems to help immensely. Again, those need refrigeration though :( You sound like a reasonable intelligent person who's already done a lot of work to get where you are. Just look at this as a good exercise in problem-solving: how to keep foods cold with no fridge around.

Let us know if you find any solutions! :)

Amarantha2
01-15-2006, 05:21 PM
Sorry to chime in again. :) Peanut butter is a great energy booster and helps control appetite. I always use it to get over plateaus as it seems to rev me up. Maybe you could just take a jar of pb to work and have a spoonful every few hours ... or just eat some peanuts (no salt) or other nuts, or a mixture of nuts and a little dried fruit? You could stick some of this mix in a little baggie and stick the baggie in your pocket and just eat some when you need to.

DeafinlySmart
01-15-2006, 09:38 PM
I carry baby carrots. Once in a while when everything around seems to be busy and no one is looking, I eat one. (get the tiny ones).

BTW, I don't tend to put my stuff in a fridge at work (too much work hahaha). I carry many things:

applesauce cups
carrots
slice cucumbers
cherry tomatoes
bananna
apple
tv dinner (yeah, it's a little thawed out)
mini bagel with a lite spread (separate)
pkg of oatmeal (use hot water from coffee makers)
yogurt (I eat this early in the day)
V8 Juice (early in the day)
water
almonds
pumpkin seeds
strawberries
sugar snap peas (eaten directly out of the bag and a pocket food)
tuna in a pouch
orange

I work at a school and I'm constantly going but I still find time to make snacks. I'm not kidding when I say sometimes it is when I am on my way (inside) the restroom. LOL. The cooler would be a good idea. Maybe a SMALL fannypack especially if you wear tight clothes. Or keep the baggie behind the sales counter, etc. Wherever you can. I know this is not the advice you were looking for, but I have no experience with the topic but thought you could use other tips as well.;)

tobetheman
01-15-2006, 11:53 PM
I am gonna add something here cause it's on my mind, but i will not go on long so i'm not covering all it's ends or all the beliefs on certain instances. I don't think any of us can trust any pills but neither are they all dangerous nor they all untrustworthy. Prescription or OTC at some heatlhy food store. Vitamin or weight loss supplement. If one can pollute a weight loss pill, one can pollute a multivitamin. So if u gotta get one, vitamin or other, try the ones that have been around for a longer while and find info on them. I don't want to hear too much about the FDA's great research, but i will hear what they say. why? Because they have obviously been bought and in some cases where they have not been bought they are ignorant. I have read of documented instances where the FDA has kept testing information suppressed for various reasons, more than once over the years. I have seen the FDA allow some companies to manipulate them directly and indirectly, money or other involved in these instances. I have seen the FDA deny that they have done so when there own documents state that they have done it. I hate to say u can't trust these guys in everything but u can't trust them cause they have turned into a money maker seraching for companies to send lobbyiest to them. It is really making me angry cause we all trust them with so much and they used to be better at serving our needs around the safety of so many sectors. Now, I gotta find out from a news or newspaper report about the truth on prescription medications and how some drug companies and in other cases the fda itself suppressed studies about harmful side effects. It really PMO or angers me. I don't care what u take or if ur doctor prescribed it too u. Do research and hope that all the research is out there for u to get the truth around the medicines and supplements. That's all we got. By the way don't tell me this is not a reality cause it was always the next step after doctors and hospitals started getting money from drug companies to use there drugs over other's drugs. The fda was the obvious next step. Go to the source first and if u can't aim for it eventually. That's what has happened. Sorry, I did take longer than I had intended but I had to say it for those of us who know and those of us who still trust our OTc and prescirption meds way too much. Lastly, how many of u check ur pills to make sure ur pharmacist gave u the right ones, before just popping them in ur mouth. I bet most of us do, see what I mean. Legit mistakes or Intentional mistakes are capable or hurting us but the intentional ones are inexcusable, esp. at the top where we are putting out trust.

aprildawn
01-16-2006, 09:12 AM
I went the diet pill route, and yes I lost weight but they took the pill off the market so I had to quit taking it and gained most of it back. When I started taking the diet pill I weighed 298 pounds and I am 5'9". When they took it off the market and I gained most of my weight back, I got to 283 pounds then started Weight Watchers. I knew I had to do something, my brother was diabetec and I had blurry vision so was tested for diabetes but they found I was not diabetic, instead I had low blood sugar which can develop into diabetes. I started Weight Watchers, since I dont exercise but walk at work, I knew I had to change my way of eating alot. So now I have most of my food and drinks, sugarfree and fatfree or low fat. Its been a long slow process of losing but I feel it has been worth it. I reached my goal weight in October 2005 of 155 pounds. Saturday when I weighed in at Weight Watchers they told me I had lost 131 pounds. My ideal range is 135-169 but I feel 150-155 is good for me. People at work tell me I am too skinny but as long as I am in the ideal range for me and my BMI is healthy, I just ignore them. All I can say is diet pills are a quick fix. Dont count on them, is my philosophy. But good luck with what ever you decide. Whatever you decide to do, remember Portion control is the key to any weight loss plan or just day-to-day eating.
Have a Good Day,
Lisa

MrsJim
01-16-2006, 11:50 AM
that 3FC is at best 'skeptical' about diet pills - particularly the countless OTC ones out there.

What is it about them anyway? The endless marketing hype? The fact that they are UNREGULATED and you are taking a huge crap shoot in relying on the 'nutrition information' on the side of the bottle being correct? Look...the companies (mostly fly-by-nighters) who peddle these products don't give a crap, for the most part, about how accurate their labeling is. It's not like buying Sudafed, Advil or any OTC medicine out there - because the companies that put those products out are REGULATED by the Government and spend a lot of $$$ in research and quality control. The companies who put out those diet pills AREN'T.

Check out this sticky thread about ConsumerLab's test on some of those products (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68644) - I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg - mislabeling, 'surprise' ingredients such as lead - you really want to take that chance? Basically the 'active ingredients' in these pills are some form of caffiene or other 'speedy' type of thing, mixed with some cheapass vitamins and (often) a bunch of laxatives/diuretics, but they're lauded (by the marketers) as "all natural".

It's just like all those Hoodia pills that have flooded the market. Even if the pills HAVE ANY hoodia in them...which I doubt...first off, there are a LOT of types of hoodia plants out there (Hoodia definition: the milkweed family of the flowering-plant order Gentianales, including more than 280 genera and about 2,000 species of tropical herbs or shrubby climbers, rarely shrubs or trees) so my guess is that a lot of these marketers might be just taking any kind of hoodia plant, grinding it up and sticking it in these pills - personally I suspect they don't even bother to do that, just put the name "hoodia" on it. Anyways, we have an entire sticky on the topic if you want to check it out.

. I don't want to hear too much about the FDA's great research, but i will hear what they say. why? Because they have obviously been bought and in some cases where they have not been bought they are ignorant. I have read of documented instances where the FDA has kept testing information suppressed for various reasons, more than once over the years. I have seen the FDA allow some companies to manipulate them directly and indirectly, money or other involved in these instances...

In case you weren't aware of this, because of the 1994 Supplement Act, the FDA's hands are TIED for the most part. You can read about this here -
How the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 Weakened the FDA (http://www.quackwatch.org/02ConsumerProtection/dshea.html)

Most people think that dietary supplements and herbs are closely regulated to ensure that they are safe, effective, and truthfully advertised. Nothing could be further from the truth. Although some aspects of marketing are regulated, the United States Congress has concluded that "informed" consumers need little government protection. This conclusion was embodied in the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 -- commonly referred to as "DSHEA" -- which severely limits the FDA's ability to regulate these products.

The FDA ain't perfect - but I'd rather trust THEM than a bunch of shysters.

As far as 'doing research' - unless you have a testing lab at your disposal, all one can do is rely on the labeling of these products. And as stated above, one can't even rely on that! Kind of scary if you think about it. Comparing these unregulated 'supplements' with what you get at a licensed pharmacy or the regulated OTC medications is comparing apples and oranges.

IMO, the diet pill/supplement industry is a throwback to the 'patent medicines' of the 1800s/early 1900s - that snakeoil that was said to cure all ills but turned out to be God knows what...usually a bunch of crap mixed with cheap wine or whiskey.

There is, however, one prescription diet pill that is under study right now, the results look promising - we have a sticky here in DIW on Acomplia (http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49147) - and Reuters has a story on this out today actually:

Drug firms eye fat profits from new obesity pills (http://today.reuters.com/business/newsArticle.aspx?type=ousiv&storyID=2006-01-16T051007Z_01_L12648932_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESSPRO-OBESITY-DC.XML)

IMO if this is the 'real deal' or at least something that works in conjunction with diet and exercise - one of the BEST things about Acomplia in my mind is that it will hopefully make most of these overmarketed, overhyped, underregulated diet nostrums GO AWAY - kind of like when Minoxidil came out - before there were COUNTLESS 'miracle hair restore' products being peddled in magazines, TV etc - after Minoxidil was released (and especially after it went to OTC status) the ads seemed to vanish for the most part :) so I'm hoping the same happens if this stuff actually works. However I think the caveat in the article is also true:

Given the scale of the problem, the arrival of new weight-loss drugs will be greeted with some excitement -- but they may also pose a dilemma.

Dr Timothy Armstrong of the WHO's department of chronic diseases believes medication can help only a very small minority of patients and will not impact the overall obesity epidemic.

"It's not a panacea," he said. "Drugs don't have a role in preventing obesity in the wider population, where interventions around physical activity and diet are far more cost-effective."

Professor Luc Van Gaal of Belgium's University Hospital Antwerp, the lead investigator for one of the main clinical studies for Acomplia, sees things rather differently.

He argues doctors must accept that dieting and exercise alone often produce disappointing results, leaving patients at risk of falling seriously ill.

"Drug therapy is not the answer for every obese person in the street, but for certain patients who are running a risk, pharmacological therapy can help," he said.

jillybean720
01-16-2006, 12:36 PM
heheh, I was just waiting for Mrs. Jim to show up ;)

Here's the thing--most OTC diet pills will do (or claim to do) one of (or a combination of) 3 things: get rid of water retention, make you feel less hungry, and/or give you more energy. Now, if you're already eating well, drinking plenty of water, and exercising, then what more do you hope to get from a pill? I understand much more those who are just starting out and turn to pills to help them control their appetite or get energized to exercise, but once you're already doing all the right things, what makes you think a pill will help?

Honestly, to bust a plateau, the best advice I've seen (and given) is to adjust your calories and/or exercise. You don't necessarily ned to ADD exercise--just change up your routine. Do more cardio if you're mostly lifting weights, or lift more eights if you're mostly doing cardio :dizzy: I was bumbling around with the same 5 or so pounds for about 3 months while eating only 1200-1300 calories a day, but when I increased my calories to about 1800, I lost 10 pounds in a month. The body is crazy, but it knows what it needs, and sometimes all it needs is change :^:

MrsJim
01-16-2006, 02:00 PM
heheh, I was just waiting for Mrs. Jim to show up ;)

Ummmm...Mr. Jim tends to hog the computer on the weekends. :carrot:

Meg
01-16-2006, 05:07 PM
We gotta chip in and get you one of your own -- can't be MrsJim-less! :D

MrsJim
01-16-2006, 05:29 PM
We gotta chip in and get you one of your own -- can't be MrsJim-less! :D

:lol: What we *really* need is a wireless internet connection (my sis and BIL have it at their house - so nice to use the Internet unfettered...! but $$$)

NowOrNever!
01-16-2006, 07:03 PM
Coz boy, lemme tell ya.. after standing for 8-10 hours and constantly moving, I don't have much energy.

Interesting thread. Robot, I keep circling back to your comment about your energy level. Probably other people in this thread know you and what "plan" you're using to lose weight, so I'm offering a couple thoughts in a bit of a vacuum (not know if you're WW, or SB, or calorie counter or what). I agree with the suggestion to maybe shake up your calories a bit day to day, but I think if *I* was dragging that much every day (sounds like you're talking about both a "standing-on-your-feet" tiredness of a work day PLUS some day-to-day carry over fatigue), personally, I would take a week and bump up the amount of food I eat to see how I feel and whether that would affect the scale.

Maybe this is only worth 1 cent, instead of 2 cents ;)

LAnneCarrington
01-16-2006, 10:08 PM
The only thing I have used so far is the One a Day Weight Smart vitamin supplement; as for the other types of pills, I had a violent reaction to Xenical and since I am already on Prozac, Meridian is totally out for me, and I am leery about using other things since I have a cardiac condition.

QuilterInVA
01-17-2006, 11:00 AM
An insulated lunch carrier with a freezer pack would keep you lunch cold. Thermos containers will keep food hot. There is no reason not to pack a decent lunch. Pills are not the way to go.

jillybean720
01-17-2006, 11:52 AM
I also agree with the freezer pack. I bought an insulated lunch bag and 2 ice packs at Walmart, and I couldn't have spent more than 10 bucks on it all together. I use them all the time so I can bring yogurt, sandwiches, salads (with the dressing in a separate container until I'm ready to eat), canned fruit, sugar-free pudding, sugar-free jell-o...all kinds of good stuff! I generally now bring a whole-wheat bagel for lunch and a whole-wheat English muffin for breakfast, and I just bring the whole jar of peanut butter and the jar of jelly and a banana, and I've got 2 meals right there! I also like packets of instant oatmeal because I can just add water, so it's WAY easy to make. And canned fruit--the little cans with the tab on top to open it so I don't need a can opener :)

Amarantha2
01-17-2006, 08:31 PM
Interesting thread ... :)

I have a great big giant cooler because I cover so much rural and city territory on some days and work in different environments. So I've been making sure I have decent food and don't have to stop at convenience stores.

tobetheman
01-21-2006, 10:02 PM
I kinda skimmed what some people have written but we all know that these supplements are regulated, period. We know about the act that was passed givning supplements a free pass to do what ever they want. They still are allowed to make insane claims, and this can be enforced. While still a weak enforcement it would be a good avenue to enforce some control. Anyway, I think people are still kinda foolish to believe that prescription meds are safe cause a doctor is the one prescibing them. The FDA has there hands tied when it comes to prescription meds too, not only with supplements. While the degree of what can be done to control them seems huge on paper, it's just that people, paper. Only cause a company gives u a paper giving u a warranty doesn't mean ur safe. It's ur body ur the one who has to take care of it. They don't care if u compain to some consumer complaints area cause they know the law is gonna be on there side in the end, cause they got the money and they got the power, and that's why believing ur safe cause the FDA says it's safe doesn't make it so. Seriously, why do u think they are trying to form an independent board of some kind. They are just another party in the system waiting for a payday. Tylenol is safe when taken properly, yes I do agree and believe it, and it's been proven through independent studies that back up the info provided by the FDa. Yet, new independent studies on meds that the FDA found not to be safe were let out to hurt people. Where's the protection. I guess the warranty will give those people there health back or maybe even some money to handle the new health problems caused by the FDA approved meds. Oh wait, they won't. This article is only one example http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/15/eveningnews/main674302.shtml

Remember when reading this article that all the info this guy gave on the drugs he said were dangerous ended up being supported by other research. He was the one who even got us to ask if he was lying for personal gain or if he was telling the truth. He was in the end telling the truth. He may gain but as long as we benefit so be it, that's my stance.

KimmyKat63
01-22-2006, 06:21 AM
I like the robot avatar, is that your tattoo? I see that you work at Hot Topic, so I'll bet it is. *LOL*

Allensmom23
01-22-2006, 08:49 PM
The only pill that ever worked for me was Metabolife when it still had ephdra in it. Worked great . . . but I became addicted to it. Dangerously so. You really need to be very very careful b/c it is so easy to become dependant on the idea they impose on you.