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Altari
01-03-2006, 09:42 PM
I bought a new kitchen scale last night. My old one died, so I replaced it with an analog one. While testing it out, I decided to see how much a 'serving' of angel hair pasta is. So, I weighed out two ounces and said to myself 'That's next to nothing. Interesting.'

I assumed I had the wrong number of ounces, so I checked the package. Yup, 2 ounces is right. And for that tiny, itsy bitsy little bit of pasta I get a whopping 210 calories. I'm not a calorie counter, I just try to avoid 'crap' food, but that's...wow...

Now I'm guilty. No wonder a gained a bit of weight back - I've been replacing my TV dinner type items with supposedly 'healthy' pasta, and eating 4 times the serving size. :o These things need warning labels...


LLV
01-03-2006, 09:56 PM
Yep, you gotta watch them serving sizes. I rarely eat rice or pasta unless I measure it out or it's included in certain dishes. And I always make calorie room for it.

Penny Loewen
01-03-2006, 10:04 PM
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josie4
01-03-2006, 10:10 PM
Yes, I discovered how much two ounces of spaghetti actually was, and boy was I upset. I LOVE spaghetti!

kykaree
01-04-2006, 02:40 AM
Interesting. I got scales for Christmas (bright pink ones, they are very cool - just had to throw that in) and we had pasta for the first time in ages, coz I had reliable scales to measure it. I used penne pasta, and you actually get quite a lot for you serving size, once its cooked. Especially if you make a low fat sauce with heaps of veggies (and I threw prawns and smoked salmon) so for 400 calories it was a really good filling meal. I was quite suprised that my precious guesstimations at serving sizes were correct. I always look at the weight of the package, how many people it's supposed to serve and then divide the package accordingly.

Heather
01-04-2006, 02:55 AM
I mourned my beloved pasta a bit when I started weighing it this summer. My husband and I used to just about split a box at dinner! No more! But I've learned that 3 oz is often a good amount for me now -- quite an admission for this former Pasta Queen.

I've also learned I can eat, AND LIKE, whole grain and whole wheat pastas!

CBETA
01-04-2006, 03:16 AM
Though you guys are disscussing pasta. I am just curious how many calories are in a buritor. We have them at our cafe...contents:
one large green soft tortia wrapper
scoup spoon (you know thouse big one, bigger than table spoon sofrt of like a scoup)
1 scoup spoon of each of the following:
black beans (which ones are better black or refried?)
spanish rice
lettuce
beef (or chicken marinated type meat)
1 tbls spoon of the following
sour cream
guacamole
shreaded cheese
1 teaspoon of green onions

Can you roughly estimate, what's been eaten?

p.s. I was out on vacation for 11 days over the holidays. Before that I sometimes bought this kind of buritor. Of course during days away I did not eat that much for lunch, and today when I bought it 1/2 way through eating it, I realized that I was already full, so this is why I was wondering...(p.s i was guilty I finished it, after just a few minutes, but I felt like it was stuck in my throat long after).

Glory87
01-04-2006, 04:14 AM
Yes, finding out the actual size of 2.0 oz of dry pasta was a huge shock. I used to eat a huge plate of pasta, with bread! I always use my scale now and eat lots and lots of tomato sauce and a salad :)

Just an estimate (the cheese, sour cream and guacamole servings at Qdoba are definitely bigger than a tablespoon!) - using an online calculator from Qdoba (one of my favorite burrito places):

http://www.qdoba.com/Calculate.aspx

Burritos Nutrition Facts

Selected Items: 13" Flour Tortilla, Cilantro Lime Rice, Black Beans, Chicken, Shredded Cheese & Sour Cream, Guacamole, Romaine Lettuce **

Amount per Serving:
Calories 1110 cal
Calories From Fat 370 cal
Protein 52 g
Carbs 127 g
Fat Total 41 g


At Qdoba, I always order a naked vegetarian (no tortilla, since the tortilla alone is nearly 200 calories and Qdoba doesn't have whole wheat tortillas) with black beans, romaine, salsa and rice, it's about 400 calories and is really great (I ask for extra pico de gallo and hot salsa). Sometimes I get guacamole because it's a good fat and I adore avocados :)

Burritos Nutrition Facts*
Total Serving Size (oz): 13
Selected Items: Cilantro Lime Rice (I ask for half the rice), Black Beans, Pico de Gallo, Romaine Lettuce, Corn Salsa **

Amount per Serving:
Calories 450 cal
Calories From Fat 60 cal
Protein 16 g
Carbs 77 g
Dietary Fiber 17 g
Fat Total 6 g

Oh, PS - in my opinion, black beans would be better since refried beans can contain lard.

impossible princess
01-04-2006, 05:56 AM
am I the only onoe that eats more pasta whn I'm dieting

Mel
01-04-2006, 09:12 AM
I don't eat pasta at all anymore because a "portion" just leaves me wanting a whole lot more. At first I switched to whole wheat pastas, but I had the same problem. What I've done is substitute finely sliced and sauteed cabbage or steamed broccoli as a base for (unsugared) spaghetti sauce. It's hard to eat TOO MUCH broccoli! When I really thought about it, what I wanted was the sauce and sprinkle of parmesan or rmano cheese taste. The pasta was a vehicle.

Mel

LLV
01-04-2006, 09:28 AM
am I the only onoe that eats more pasta whn I'm dieting
Of course not. I eat pasta too, just not all that often. Usually the only time I eat pasta is when it's included in one of my Lean Cuisines or something.

But then, I'm not dieting. For me this is a lifestyle change. I keep the Lean Cuisines around for a quick, lowfat lunch.

jillybean720
01-04-2006, 10:41 AM
I just measured out some pasta last night. It was thin spaghetti, and it comes in a brown box (I forget the brand) and it's "whole wheat blend," so it's not 100% whole wheat, but it's still a little better than plain white pasta. Anyway it's 180 calories for 2oz, and there are 7 servings in a box. I make dinner for my boyfriend and me every night, so I divided the box into 3 equal parts and cook one for each meal and split what I cook evenly between his and my plates (so each 1/3 of the box is actually 2 and 1/3 servings, which means you eat 1 and 1/6 per meal, so I adjust calories accordingly).

Anyway, I used the spaghetti and broke the uncooked noodles into thirds so the noodles were not as long. Then I cooked it, added some frozen mixed veggies, and added some spices (garlic, onion, and parsley to go with the garlic & herb sauce on the chicken) and a little of the sauce from the chicken, and what a great side dish! It made HUGE servings for a side.

So that's what I do now--instead of having just pasta as the main dish, I have it as a side item with baked chicken or whatever. 2oz really is a LOT for a side dish! It didn't look like much at all uncooked, but once it was cooked and had some veggies mixed in, 1 and 1/6 serving literally took up half the plate (and they're big plates!).

Heather
01-04-2006, 10:41 AM
Burritos! Boy was I shocked this summer to find out that Chipotle burritos had over 1000 calories! (as Glory87 noted for Qdoba).

I actually love the pasta itself, not just the sauce and parm -- I used to eat it with just butter! Like Mel, I started realizing that it didn't really stick with me. So, I still eat it, but am okay with small portions, and I usually eat it with something more filling.

autumnah
01-04-2006, 10:42 AM
And they should make ONE PORTION sizes too, not that I would buy them, but at least I would know, hehehe...

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Lol!! That's a great idea! There used to be (notice the tense) a restuarant near me called 'tidbits' and the plates where small and the portions were small like they are supposed to be. People complain when you don't get a trough sized plate in front of them at a restuarant...that's the problem. When you get served a box of pasta when dining out you get used to that being the normal portion size. Awful!! :)

Tani
01-04-2006, 11:18 AM
I used to think that 2oz of spaghetti looked really small, but I guess I adjusted a while back because now it seems quite ample. I tend to end up with a ratio of 1/2 veggies 1/2 pasta when I make it, so it ends up being a ton of food.

JuliaTN
01-04-2006, 11:27 AM
Before I started counting calories, I thought that the chicken was the fattening part of chicken parmesan (even if it wasn't fried). I had no idea how many calories bread and pasta have in them. How can that be when the "meat" is so much more filling:?:

I hardly ever eat pasta anymore because I was eating it as filler to keep me from eating the more supposedly calorific parts of my meals. Amazing what a little research will do for you.

srmb60
01-04-2006, 11:37 AM
Portion sizes were the big OMG for me. I had no idea. I literally eat, cook and drink with measuring spoons and cups at hand.

DaisyBug08004
01-04-2006, 12:03 PM
Your body reacts to white flour and white potatoes just like sugar - any kind of starch like that. Your body will burn through that much much faster - leaving you hungry later. Protein is handled differently by your body and will stablize your blood sugar levels for longer. This is why it makes an ideal snack. You will get more "bang for your buck" so to speak.

Carbs are fine and good and necessary - but as you suggest, portions are important. I rarely eat any kind of carb without a protein friend. ESPECIALLY not a fruit or anything high in sugar. I find that my blood sugar level plummets drastically when I do.

Just some thoughts...

CBETA
01-04-2006, 03:39 PM
Lol!! That's a great idea! There used to be (notice the tense) a restuarant near me called 'tidbits' and the plates where small and the portions were small like they are supposed to be. People complain when you don't get a trough sized plate in front of them at a restuarant...that's the problem. When you get served a box of pasta when dining out you get used to that being the normal portion size. Awful!! :)


well that depends on the charge...if they give you jsut the two oz for same 7-9 dollars, I'd be unhappy as well...
If they charge me like 4, I'd be most happy. Why they don't reduce the prices? simple answer throughput....yes, if they have a table that turns over customers once every hour, then if they charge 4 bucks a plate, it is routhly 20 some dollars... while at a plate of 9 dollars it would be close to 40 twice as much, and it would take same time to bus the table, cook the pasta, feed the customers and get new in. So that's why portions are up in size, so that one can justify the amt of money charged, food is cheap, especially pasta, expenses are not. Since recently I am trying to take a different approach, if I go with an ex, or a close friend, we buy one big salad, and one entry...so that we can share both, a lot of food and salad, for the same price, but a lot less calories are goin in, if place has salad included then one meal for both more than enough usually.
With the burito, though, after 11 days of being home due to holidays, I noticed that same burito that I easiely ate before, was too much for me when I ate half of it... so yes, portions are bigger and I will have to cut them down myself. At home I did swich to small plates, and use big ones for serving the food on them, rather than eating from them.

p.s. 12.5 years ago we came to this country, we had 10 hours layover time as we waited for our plane in JFK, so we went and bought food at the first place we saw, it was Burger King. Gosh when I saw that woper, I though that it was humongos, yes, it was, huge round, the size of a normal plate in my country really. So naturally I split it with my sister who was 5 at the time, and she could only 1/2 of her half.... even my dad could not finish one whopper, nevermind that the entire large coke was drinken for the entire day by all 4 of us.... no wonder that I gained weight, I remember how stupidly proud i was of myself when I was able to eat entire value deal by myself and not feel like puking...I did use to think that's what people had to do ...stupid me, over years I've changed and long ago switched from junk to restoran food, but there is a lot of it just as well....(sorry for this long note)

CBETA
01-04-2006, 03:41 PM
Your body reacts to white flour and white potatoes just like sugar - any kind of starch like that. Your body will burn through that much much faster - leaving you hungry later. Protein is handled differently by your body and will stablize your blood sugar levels for longer. This is why it makes an ideal snack. You will get more "bang for your buck" so to speak.

Carbs are fine and good and necessary - but as you suggest, portions are important. I rarely eat any kind of carb without a protein friend. ESPECIALLY not a fruit or anything high in sugar. I find that my blood sugar level plummets drastically when I do.

Just some thoughts...

Fruits, hmm so what protein do you eat with them? what kind of fruit?
for example I like tangerines, grapes, banannas (I know last one of them have lost of fat, and the first two have too much sugar) I cannot think of one good fruit, except perhaps watermellon, but in winter they are out of my budget.

Glory87
01-04-2006, 04:14 PM
Fruits, hmm so what protein do you eat with them? what kind of fruit?
for example I like tangerines, grapes, banannas (I know last one of them have lost of fat, and the first two have too much sugar) I cannot think of one good fruit, except perhaps watermellon, but in winter they are out of my budget.

As an opposing view, I ate fruit constantly while losing weight. I ate it alone a lot in the afternoons for a snack and lost still 60+ lbs. Everybody is different, of course, but 2-3 servings of fruit didn't stop me from losing weight at all. My afternoon snack is still usually fruit, today I brought a really nice orange and plan to eat it around 4 or so, by itself!

If I were to eat protein with fruit, I would probably eat low fat cottage cheese (which I love with pineapple or mandarin oranges) or a piece of low fat string cheese. I guess peanut/almond butter (which is more of a fat than a protein) might be good too. I like to take a whole wheat tortilla, smear it with peanut butter and then nuke it in the microwave for 30 seconds. After it's all warm and gooey, I wrap it around a really ripe banana. Heaven.

jillybean720
01-04-2006, 05:17 PM
Fruits, hmm so what protein do you eat with them? what kind of fruit?
for example I like tangerines, grapes, banannas (I know last one of them have lost of fat, and the first two have too much sugar) I cannot think of one good fruit, except perhaps watermellon, but in winter they are out of my budget.
If you like tangerines, what about clementines? They are on sale all over the place here this time of year.

All fruits have sugar--that's what makes them sweet (and tasty!), and I don't think tangerines or grapes have significantly more sugar than other fruits. Also, it's not white refined sugar, so it's not as bad for your body. Some people can't eat fruit alone only because it is sweet and therefore can cause cravings for other sweets. I don't have a problem with eating fruit--honestly, an apple or an ounce of cheese would fill me for about the same amount of time for the same amount of calories. It all depends on YOU and whether or not the sweet fruit affects you in that way.

If you find you DO need protein with your fruit, try some nuts, peanut butter, or cottage cheese, perhaps. Oooh, or a wedge of cheese, a piece of sandwich meat, some yogurt, or a glass of milk. OR you can try adding fruit to a salad with some grilled chicken or hard-boiled egg.

Also, bananas have less than 1 gram of fat in a 7-inch banana, which isn't a lot, so I wouldn't worry about that.

CBETA
01-05-2006, 03:46 AM
As an opposing view, I ate fruit constantly while losing weight. I ate it alone a lot in the afternoons for a snack and lost still 60+ lbs. Everybody is different, of course, but 2-3 servings of fruit didn't stop me from losing weight at all. My afternoon snack is still usually fruit, today I brought a really nice orange and plan to eat it around 4 or so, by itself!

If I were to eat protein with fruit, I would probably eat low fat cottage cheese (which I love with pineapple or mandarin oranges) or a piece of low fat string cheese. I guess peanut/almond butter (which is more of a fat than a protein) might be good too. I like to take a whole wheat tortilla, smear it with peanut butter and then nuke it in the microwave for 30 seconds. After it's all warm and gooey, I wrap it around a really ripe banana. Heaven.
ok makes sense, though I have no interest in cottage cheese, and hate peanut butter...lucky me I guess at least I am able to save up on those calories. So for me perhaps it's just the fruit. Daily though I have 1oz slice of mozzarella or swiss cheese, usually made with skim milk so for me no more space for other cheeses.

CBETA
01-05-2006, 03:50 AM
If you like tangerines, what about clementines? They are on sale all over the place here this time of year.

All fruits have sugar--that's what makes them sweet (and tasty!), and I don't think tangerines or grapes have significantly more sugar than other fruits. Also, it's not white refined sugar, so it's not as bad for your body. Some people can't eat fruit alone only because it is sweet and therefore can cause cravings for other sweets. I don't have a problem with eating fruit--honestly, an apple or an ounce of cheese would fill me for about the same amount of time for the same amount of calories. It all depends on YOU and whether or not the sweet fruit affects you in that way.

If you find you DO need protein with your fruit, try some nuts, peanut butter, or cottage cheese, perhaps. Oooh, or a wedge of cheese, a piece of sandwich meat, some yogurt, or a glass of milk. OR you can try adding fruit to a salad with some grilled chicken or hard-boiled egg.

Also, bananas have less than 1 gram of fat in a 7-inch banana, which isn't a lot, so I wouldn't worry about that.

hm I am surprised about bannans, I thought that they are fattening, may be they are high on carbs then... i remember from somewhere that they and grapce are practially the worst fruits to have...may be i am wrong....

as far as other items, i avoid nuts, because they have lots of fat, and my balance of 25% car, 25% fat and 50% protein gets thrown off easily...plus it's hard to stop eating them....piece of cheese is alreayd there in a day, so yes, I think having fruit by itself is my solution...
thank you for all of your suggestions...


p.s. I just there would be like an exaustive list of all protein foods there are...with one amt of calories and then a serving size listed...that way i could pick and choose daily...dreams i know.

Glory87
01-05-2006, 11:28 AM
as far as other items, i avoid nuts, because they have lots of fat, and my balance of 25% car, 25% fat and 50% protein gets thrown off easily...plus it's hard to stop eating them....

It's definitely true that nuts are addictive - so tasty! But:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010509083114.htm

"The researcher's review of the existing published epidemiologic studies shows that consuming 1 ounce of nuts more than 5 times/week can result in a 25 to 39 percent reduction in coronary heart disease risk among people whose characteristics match those of the general adult U.S. population."

Pass the almonds! Carefully measured 1/4 cup serving, of course :)

Also, list of good protein sources:

http://www.lifeclinic.com/focus/nutrition/protein.asp

Good Sources of Protein
Good low- or nonfat sources of protein include:

Beef, poultry, pork and lamb
Fish and shellfish
Dairy products, including cottage cheese, cheese, yogurt and milk
Eggs, egg whites or egg substitutes
Dry beans, peas, oats and legumes
Tofu and soy products
Nuts and seeds

Proteins are considered either complete proteins (which supply enough essential amino acids) or incomplete proteins (which lack adequate essential amino acids). Meat, eggs and dairy products are considered complete proteins, but vegetables, beans and other plant products are considered incomplete proteins. However, some incomplete proteins can be combined to create a complete protein - rice and beans, peanut butter and jelly, and corn and beans are examples of complete-protein meals.