Dieting with Obstacles - Can't Lose With IBS-C




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Canadian_Mickey
12-25-2005, 12:46 AM
I'm truly frustrated! :mad: I have had IBS -C for a little over 2 yrs, and because of all the medications, I've gained over 30 LB's!!!! :( I can't seem to manage it, or get a hold of it! Never mind trying to lose the extra weight! I've tried so many things, and nothing seems to work....any suggestions anyone?? I feel so bloated and yuck all the time...my clothes keep expanding...it's so discouraging! There are so many days where I just sit and cry out of pure frustration with this....I hate feeling like this! :(


emerald dragonfly
12-25-2005, 01:26 AM
I'm so sorry to hear you upset. I have a friend who had IBS and she was gaining weight like crazy. The last I saw her, she look real good! I guess her doctor put her on some water pills and it releived alot of her pain/pressure from bloating. I do not have this disease but experienced severe bloating before. I was given water pills for 1 month and it helped me alot!!

Talk to your doctor, amybe he/she can help you find ways to releive the symptoms??

let us know what you decide and what happens. get to feeling better soon!! :hug:


emerald dragonfly

Repo girl
01-04-2006, 05:01 PM
I have IBS, and for some reason, the only thing that helps me much is really strong coffee. As long as I have 2 good cups in the am, I do great, but if not, I am bloated, constipated, and in pain by evening. I used to do meds, but when I sould not afford them anymore a naturepath recommended the coffee, and to my relief, it really helps. Good Luck!


andreaphilip3
01-04-2006, 05:12 PM
i have it too and take zelnorm but it doesnt help much

Repo girl
01-04-2006, 07:09 PM
I used to do zelnorm, too, but with no insurance, just could not afford it.

Yogini
01-04-2006, 07:16 PM
Sorry you are having these issues :(

I have IBS and take no meds anymore. I just avoid all the things that trigger an attack and eat the things I should and I do okay, symptom and pain-wise! Weightloss is still hard, regardless :(

Repo girl
01-04-2006, 08:43 PM
If I drink pop, I will always pay for it. I know what you mean about trigger foods!

penpal
01-04-2006, 09:11 PM
I also have had IBS-C for about seven years. I spent a fortune on every test known to man (we have lousy insurance) and eventually found something on my own that helps tremendously. I take 1 tbsp. of psyllium husk powder plus 1 tbsp. Citrucel chocolate flavor fiber (50 calories) mixed with a cup of milk. This tastes pretty good. I drink this down quickly before it 'sets up' and immediately drink 1-2 glasses of water. It is very important to drink the water as otherwise it can swell up in your throat plus you need the extra fluid to make it work properly. If you decide to try this, you may want to use half as much at first till your system gets used to it. If you don't drink enough water (at least 8 cups a day) the psyllium could make matters worse. As with anything - please check with your doctor first.

Over the busy holidays, I forgot to take it for a few days and boy did I pay for it! I'm only now getting better since I started taking it again a few days ago. I get most of my pain at night time for some reason and for years I only got a few hours sleep because of it.

The psyllium may or may not work for you - everyone is different. I also seem to have trigger foods - white bread, sugary foods, pasta (except Dreamfields reduced carb), bacon or other meats with a lot of nitrates, so I try to avoid these. By the way, I get my psyllium husk powder at Trader Joe's - I've found they have the best price. The Citrucel is a bit spendy but I sometimes get a $5 off coupon in the Sunday paper. Hope this helps :hug:

AnnieRu2
01-09-2006, 11:09 AM
Amanda,
I started a thread in September on this subject (Sorry I don't know how to pull up previous threads). It's on page 4 and there are quite a few responses back to it with some good ideas. Anyways, my 12 year old daughter has IBS with Constipation and I started the link to try to get ideas from other IBSers how to help her lose weight. We have been addressing this issue since 3rd grade and she is now in 7th and like you I have watched the weight just sky rocket. In order to keep her pain free (with diet and without medication) I seem to have to feed her all the foods that do not assist with weight loss. Anyways in my discoveries, I have found a great book and website. Book is Eating for IBS by Heather Van Vorous and her website is www.HELPFORIBS.Com. She has great information, just somesome who has suffered all her life with IBS and has written down what works and doesn't. Great info about the difference between soluable and insoluable fiber. Before her site, I didn't understand this and was giving my daughter too much insoluable fiber trying to help with her weight (THis is the worse kind of you have IBS with constipation). I've kept her pain free the last year, she's off all meds and now we are playing around with finding foods to help with weight loss and increasing exercise. I'd say we have managed to stabilize. It's hard to tell on a child, she's growing and she's now taller than me, plus puberty hit. I'd love to keep this thread going with fellow IBSers (particularly with constipation) giving recipe ideas. Most difficult for me to assist her with seems to be school snack time and after school snacking!!! All the healthy choices that are a fun snack for kids just seem to aggravate the IBS. Good luck, Amanda. Check out the website and everybody keep this post alive. If anyone knows how to pull up my previous thread in September, please let me know how to do it.

penpal
01-09-2006, 08:05 PM
Hi Annie,

Thanks for the website info - I'll check it out.

I don't know how to get an old thread up as if it were a new thread (if that's what you mean) other than to reply to the original thread.

In case you need to know how to read your old posts/threads, click on your name (where it appears on the left hand side of your post) and you will get a pull down menu. Click on "find other posts by AnnieRu2" and you will get a list of all your previous posts. You can then open the post you mentioned and copy & paste the url (http://etc.etc.) of that post into a new thread. Hope this helps! :)

I just took a look and I think this might be the thread you mentioned http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54527

AnnieRu2
01-09-2006, 10:13 PM
That's it. Hope the website is helpful. Let me know if you find any good solutions to this unique situation of IBS/Constipation/Weight issue.

Canadian_Mickey
01-09-2006, 10:47 PM
Thanks everyone for your advice. Annie, I've done the help for ibs diet by heather, and it made me so much worse, not better, and gained weight, not lost! It seems like I just can't lose any weight! I'm trying everything....not sure if anyone else has had such a hard time with this. Whether it's normal?

penpal
01-10-2006, 12:33 AM
Annie - has your daughter ever tried psyllium husk powder? It is a soluable fiber. It does "bulk up" when you mix it with water, but in a different way than some other fiber supplements. It is more like a gel and seems to "coat" my insides so that l don't get such bad cramps when I take it. If I stop taking it for any length of time, I'm back to square one! I find it to be very helpful, but your mileage may vary :).

hoodj0080
01-15-2006, 08:34 PM
I have IBS as well, but it's a little different from you guys. If i'm not careful about what I eat, I can diarrhea 3 or 4 times a day. I can't have artificial sweeteners (including splenda), caffiene, alcohol, garlic. Those are the big things. I can do dairy, but only cheese and not too much. I've put on 30-40 pounds in 5 years since my diagnosis, mainly because it's hard to be as active--one of my meds doesn't let me sweat. I'd love any dessert-chocolate ideas you guys have that are reasonably healthy. I've lost 10 pounds but sometimes I just feel the need for chocolate. Any ideas?

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AnnieRu2
01-16-2006, 02:34 PM
Hey, it's Annie checking in. thanks to someone for pulling up my original thread. Penpal, I haven't tried psyllium husk powder. Where do you usually get it? I have a Trader Joe's and Whole Foods Market in my area. I'm always a little reluctant to try things out on my daughter because of her age, so I usually try them on myself. Right now she is doing good with the IBS with Benefiber caplets but they are very expensive. I myself use ground Flax Seed to keep myself regular. I don't have IBS but use Flax Seed to keep me regular, but I don't use it with her because I'm not sure if the FlaxSeed would be a trigger. While the IBS is under control, we still have the weight issue. So I"m always working on recipes. Here is my answer for her and myself (a WW lifetimer at goal for 6 years now) for a chocolate fix. Since I can't give her dairy we are always buying soy ice cream and find that too much soy isn't good for IBS (too much gas) so I was making the infamous chocolate pumpkin cupcakes (I'm sure you've all seen it on the WW section) It is basically a chocolate cake mix (The one without pudding added) I use Duncan Hines and a 12 oz can of pumpkin, that's all. While I was making them, my daughter was licking the beaters and said she liked the dough the best so here is what we invented and we love it!!! We made the mix (1 cake chocolate cake mix and 12 oz can of pumpkin - not pumpking pie mix). I make 6 muffins (cook at 350) and use them for our lunches. Then I take the rest of the dough and I gently fold in one large container of FF cool whip. Fold it so that it looks marbly not full mixed in. Put in 1/2 cup portions with a lid and freeze. It is a very rich tasting and 1/2 cup is very satisfying unlike a 1/2 cup portion of low fat ice cream or 1/2 cup of soy ice cream. The pumpkin gives her some fiber. Not sure what the point count is but the muffins usually come out to be 2 to 3 points, so with the FF cool whip added it is probably about 2 points or less. I've even upped the amount of pumpkin and she has noticed. It doesn't freeze really hard but more like a mousse. If anyone tries it, let me know what you think. Also any other IBS recipes that will help with the weight loss struggle.

AnnieRu2
01-16-2006, 02:42 PM
Just read my own post. It should have said "I upped the amount of pumpkin and she HASN't noticed. So you can play around with more pumpkin for a healthier choice.

penpal
01-18-2006, 01:40 PM
Hi Annie,

Thanks for all your good ideas. I have ordered some of the Acacia fiber that was on the IBS website you posted. I've been reading everything voraciously on that site and it's been quite enlightening! Thanks for posting it. I have had IBS and diverticulosis for about seven years and the treatment/prevention is about the same according to the website.

I get my psyllium husk powder from Trader Joes - it's in a container with kind of egyptian figures all over it. They have by far the best price for this stuff. I get less pain when I use this, but I'm hoping the changes I'm making that are suggested on the website, plus the Acacia fiber, will help even more.

For the past week I've been following some of the guidelines on the website about soluable fiber - very interesting. I am starting out each day with oatmeal. I use Snoqualmie Falls steel cut oats - it takes a bit longer to make than instant, but what a difference in taste! It's adding quite a few calories, but so far I haven't gained :crossed:. Can your daughter tolerate oatmeal? It gives your insides a good "padding" for the other stuff coming along later. I am also eating soluable fiber first at each meal - i.e. yams, potatoes, rice - before I eat the meat. I'm also chewing the meat a lot more to break it up (I've always been a fast eater and that's probably part of my problem). I'm avoiding fatty or fried foods too.

I was a bit worried about adding the carbs, but I don't eat huge quantities, say 1/2 a cup of rice, and as I said, I haven't started gaining (in fact, I'm down a pound since I started the changes a week ago).

I am steering clear of leafy veggies and salads for the moment, but may add back carefully once I get stabilized. I've been eating canned green beans because they are mushy, although I prefer the fresh but they are so stringy and fibrous. Today I'm going to try some canned asparagus because they are also very soft and digestible.

I often make pureed soups of mushrooms, artichoke hearts or asparagus, so I will get some veggies that way. I also blend a half a cup of berries or 1/2 a banana in my protein smoothies which I have each day as a meal replacement.

I'm afraid to jinx it, but last night I slept without pain for the first time in many months, so I hope it's working. I'm looking forward to getting the Acacia fiber. I'll let you know if it works better than the psyllium. If you do try the psyllium, start with a VERY small amount, say 1 tsp. per day mixed with liquid, to see how you tolerate it. You also need to drink at least 1 or 2 cups of water after you take it. :)

AnnieRu2
01-18-2006, 09:29 PM
PenPal,
Let me know what you think of the acacia fiber. Glad the website is helping. Also you can cut the carbs in the rice by rinsing it several times before you cook it. My daughter loves oatmeal it is a staple of hers. Good luck.

sweet_pea
01-19-2006, 06:23 AM
mickey have you had other things checked out e.g. coeliac disease? and have you tried an elimination diet to identify trigger foods. also a lot of water is helpful

I have IBS-D so that's a little different. I have read the various therapies in www.remedyfind.com they have people's individual ratings of things they have tried so maybe that will help some people here.

i like to drink water with aloe juice or with lemon juice to balance the acidity in my tummy

have you tried an alkaline diet (e.g. the pH miracle by robert young) i found that reducing acidic foods was a big improvement for me...

penpal
01-19-2006, 02:13 PM
PenPal,
Let me know what you think of the acacia fiber. Glad the website is helping. Also you can cut the carbs in the rice by rinsing it several times before you cook it. My daughter loves oatmeal it is a staple of hers. Good luck.

My acacia powder arrived yesterday and I'm starting with just 1 tsp. 2x a day to see how I tolerate it. So far, so good. It's a very fine powder and doesn't have any taste, which is good.

I think the soluable fiber I'm eating is already helping. I have had 2 nights now with only a little pain. I've decided to have oatmeal for breakfast every day, to get a good start with the soluable fiber. I also have scrambled eggbeaters, because I like to keep my protein/carbs in balance. I make sure that I eat the oatmeal first, though, to have a good "padding".

Thanks for the tip about rinsing rice. I don't cook rice at home. Usually, the only time we have rice is when we eat out at a Thai restaurant. It's a bit high in carbs for me, so I just have a small portion - say 1/2 a cup. I've started ordering in restaurants differently too. I always had the stir fried mixed vegetables with chicken, now I get the yellow or musamun curry which only has chicken, potatoes and carrots in it.

Does your daughter like eggbeaters? I like it because it doesn't have any fat (made from eggwhites) but it tastes quite good and is an excellent source of protein for only 25 calories 1/4 cup (liquid) serving which is equivalent to 2 eggs.

I'm glad you mentioned squash. It's not a veggie I eat very often, but it must be quite gentle on your tummy as it is very soft. It's also packed with nutrients. I'm trying to figure out what green vegetables would be "safe" without being pureed. Do you have any suggestions? I've been eating sweet potatoes and yams (in small quantities because they are very high in carbs). I noticed that rutabagas are allowed on the IBS diet. I'm glad about that as I really enjoy them mashed instead of potatoes. They are very nutritious and quite low in carbs. I haven't had any lately, so I'll have to see if I get any symptoms when I eat them next time.

The only fruits I'm eating right now are either berries pureed in my protein shake, or applesauce. I also occasionally have 1/2 a banana.

I also use flax seed. My husband takes it because it is supposed to be a good preventive for prostate cancer. I use it for fiber and also because it has been proven in clinical studies to reduce breast cancer risks (I'm a breast cancer survivor, so I've done quite a bit of research on foods that prevent cancer.) We use a coffee grinder to grind the seeds to a very fine powder and then I put it in my protein shake. What kind of flax seed do you use? We like golden flax as we find it has a mild taste.

I hope your daughter is doing better with her IBS. It must be hard for a young person to have to go through that. It's so hard for moms, too, when our children are in pain.

penpal
01-19-2006, 03:26 PM
I'm truly frustrated! :mad: I have had IBS -C for a little over 2 yrs, and because of all the medications, I've gained over 30 LB's!!!! :( I can't seem to manage it, or get a hold of it! Never mind trying to lose the extra weight! I've tried so many things, and nothing seems to work....any suggestions anyone?? I feel so bloated and yuck all the time...my clothes keep expanding...it's so discouraging! There are so many days where I just sit and cry out of pure frustration with this....I hate feeling like this! :(

Mickey - If all else fails when I'm going through a particularly rough time with IBS-C, I take a dose of Milk of Magnesia. Have you ever tried this? I don't get bad cramps from it like some other laxatives. I think the cherry flavor is more pleasant tasting than the 'original' flavor. Hope you feel better soon :hug:

AnnieRu2
01-22-2006, 06:44 PM
Penpal
I use the golden flax seed as well. I eat it every morning sprinkled on oatmeal. My daughter does eat eggbeaters. I find if I use egg beaters and add a real egg white and blend it in my Magic bullet (I love that invention) blender then they come out really fluffy. Sometimes I even add her benefiber in powder form right into the eggs just to give her a break from taking those big capsules. I send her off to school with a pretty big breakfast we have played around with what will sustain her until her snack time. Typcially she has two pieces of turkey bacon (We only like the Jennie O brand) scrambled egg beaters and two slices of WW toast with jam only or honey and half an apple or pears and a big glass of water and her benefiber . That gives her about a 6 to 7 point breakfast I always always peel her apples and pears because the skin is insoluable fiber while the inside is soluable. We like fuji apples and pacific rose the best. She avoids all citrus, grapes (because I can't peel them). She likes strawberries but we limit them because of the acid (and my other daughter is allergic to them so we don't have them much in the house). Vegetable wise is a little tougher because salads are irritating. All vegetables have to be cooked. She ends up preferring the canned green beans and things I guess because they are so mushy. She will eat brocolli but we have to limit it because of the whole effect on gas!!! Gas was a real problem before we started the whole soluable fiber eating and eliminating triggers. We make sweet potatoe fries. Just cut them up with skin removed and dip in egg white then bake in the oven you can season to taste. Wish I could get more veggies in her because she tends to be a volume eater (like me) and I use veggies to real feel me up. Keep me posted on the Acacia.

penpal
01-22-2006, 08:38 PM
Hi Annie,

So far, I've found the acacia and/or the SF diet very helpful and I have a lot less abdominal pain. It's been several days now, so it's not just a fluke.

I also like sweet potato oven fries. I also had some mashed rutabaga the other day (I really like it - but it's a matter of taste) and didn't have any bad side-effects. I'm also limiting my green veggies to "mushy" ones like canned green beans and canned asparagus. I seem to do ok on raw baby carrots and hummus for a snack.

Another snack I like are the Dole fruit bowls because they are so handy. I throw out the juice to save a few calories. I also like fresh papaya and have it once or twice a week (it is SF) and also has the same stuff that is in meat tenderizer so it helps digest the protein. I also buy the little cups of applesauce with cinnamon for a quick, measured, snack.

I have cut out bacon of any kind because of the nitrates which I suspect might be a trigger for me. I had been eating Canadian bacon every morning for breakfast with my eggbeaters.

I have also cut down on my portion sizes of chicken (I usually only eat chicken or fish) and chew it very thoroughly.

I've been on the lookout for alternative vegetables (mostly root vegetables) so that I can increase my soluble fiber. I am going to try some yucca root which is a very nutritious root that is the staple diet of many tribes in tropical countries. Apparently, it is similar to sweet potatoes.

I figure that all the fruits and veggies I'm eating will make up for the green leafy veggies, broccoli, brussels sprouts, etc. which seem to set of my IBS/Diverticulitis.

I'm interested to know whether green sea vegetables such as dried nori seaweed and bluegreen algae supplements may have some similar nutrients to green vegetables and whether or not they have SF. I'll have to do some research.

Keep me posted on any new ideas! :)

AnnieRu2
01-24-2006, 08:24 PM
Penpal,
What's the SF diet? Haven't heard that expression yet. I blanch the baby carrots and they seem to be more tolerable for my daughter. We use the applesauce a lot. It is a main stable for her and is in her lunch every day. Have you tried jicama? It is kind of sweet when you cook it and mash it. We use spaghetti squash alot and my daughter loves artichokes - no butter or mayo, just plain. Not really a vegetable but we have the edamane soy beans in the pods. Not too many because it is a legume. Do you find certain medicines are tough for your stomach? My daughter has bad cold sores and dr. recommends B12 (She's tolerating that okay) but can't tolerate the L-lysine at all. Also tylenol seems to be the best medicine for pain.

penpal
01-24-2006, 09:04 PM
Annie - SF diet is just refers to what people on the forum on Heather's IBS site sometimes call Heather's soluble fiber diet recommendations. By SF diet I mean adding soluble fiber foods to my diet and reducing or eliminating some "trigger" foods - which, as you know, can vary from person to person.

What a coincidence! I had baby carrots with hummus today for my snack plus a small container of apple sauce.

I've never tried jicama. I think it's a root veggie, so that's probably why it's ok for your daughter. I love artichokes too, I cook baby artichoke hearts in chicken stock and put them in my blender to make creamy artichoke soup. They sell frozen baby artichoke hearts at Trader Joe's for just a few dollars a bag. They are a great source of fiber.

We always get some edamame when we go out for sushi. I like them too, but they are a bit high in calories, so I don't eat too many. Sushi seems to be very tolerable for most people. The seaweed wrappers are easily digestible and so is the white rice and raw fish. I don't know if you've ever tried it, but you can also get items with cooked shrimp or crab if you don't like the raw kind. It's our favorite treat.