Weight Loss Support - Anyone recover from a thick waist ??




Magg1e
12-12-2005, 12:40 PM
OK - first off - I know I still have a long way to go .

And secondly - I have aLWAYS had a thicker than average waist - even at my slimmest

Here is my current dilemna :

I am at 195 - with measurments of 47- 38- 42

yup - that's right - my waist is almost as big as my hips !!!

my question is - for those of you have been successful with your losses -
did any of you have a disproportionately large waist - and how low did you have to get down to , to start seeing your waist come down ??

I am assuming that eventually , my hips will have to stop leaning out - I mean - there is bone structure there - and hopefull my waist loss will start kicking in

anyone recover from a disproportionate figure like mine ????


Mel
12-12-2005, 01:52 PM
Your eventual shape depends a lot on your skeletal structure as well as where you store fat. I Was an "apple" and thought that if I lost enough fat I'd have a waist. Thinking back on my thinner (long time ago) teen body, I don't know why I thought I'd have a waist...I didn't have one then :( I'm no longer an apple, but I still have a thicker waist in relation to my hip and bust measurements than most women. I'm very short-waisted, and have virtually no space between my lower ribs and the top of my hip bones. There's nothing I can do about it- my stomach is flat, I've muscle definition everywhere, but waistbands are always tight.

On the other hand, you might be pleasantly surprised!

Mel

Tani
12-12-2005, 02:04 PM
I'm just the opposite of you, my hips/legs have always been much bigger than average compared to my waist. My hips are still a size larger than my waist in clothing sizes, sometimes two. That said, I still lost tons of inches on my hips, the same as everywhere else. It's just that my proportions stayed much the same. It does seem that most women have a set figure type, regardless of their weight.


RobertW
12-12-2005, 02:12 PM
At least you are not "Apple" shaped, even if you are not hitting the ideal waist-to-hip ratio of under 0.8. I am sure you will look great when you tone up and lose the rest of the weight.

Your basic shape should be the same as it was before you gained the weight.

chrmiller
12-12-2005, 02:53 PM
Your shape is your shape, and unfortunately, there is not alot you can do about that. There are things that I don't like about my shape, I have the biggest a** you have ever seen, regardless of how much I weigh. Lose the weight you need to lose and embrace your body!!

aphil
12-12-2005, 03:42 PM
:rofl:

Sorry...chrmiller....that just hit too close to home! I am with you, I am hourglass, and genetically have a smaller waist when I am heavy or thin, but my behind and thighs are always larger in comparison.

You sound like an apple, given your measurements, and as everyone else has said, you can't change your genetic shape. Some people have bigger upper bodies, and others have bigger lower bodies, and we all sit around and envy the other. :lol:

I don't care for my butt and thighs, and I probably never will...but I do what I can to take the attention away from them by showing off my waist. Apples normally have GREAT legs...so my advice is to show off the GOOD things that nature gave you. :D

livingpaperdoll
12-12-2005, 08:29 PM
I agree with you. Everyone tells me I have great legs, even at my highest weight. I am an apple figure, so I always wear clothes that show off my legs, and cover my waist. But, I am the way I am. Everyone finds something wrong with themselves. We are our worst critics.

Starting weight-246
currently-237
goal-130

LovesBassets
12-12-2005, 08:34 PM
I'm the same shape I was when I was heavy -- just smaller ;) .

This kinda scares me:
the ideal waist-to-hip ratio of under 0.8.

Is this a health ideal (based on heart attack likelihood, etc.), or some other "ideal?" LOL...just what we all need -- another ideal to live up to! :dizzy:

aphil
12-13-2005, 08:19 AM
Heart attack risk, I believe.

Magg1e
12-13-2005, 09:45 AM
but take a look at the women on Biggest Loser - they aLL looked like apples to me in the beginning - and many of them went on to have much smaller (proportional ) waists at the end. most of them had significant spare tires to start with

so I am hopeful....

although - got out my old weight and measurement charts - and at 166 pounds , I STILL had a waist of 35.... ouch - although - at those times in my life, I only dieted - never worked out

so I am just curious to see where this new adventure will take me - if all the hours pounding the stairmaster and elliptical will burn off any of that intrabdominal fat !

aphil
12-13-2005, 10:22 AM
When you get down to goal, and if you have been exercising regularly and have reduced your body fat significantly, then your body does indeed become more properly proportioned...and you may not really look like an apple, or a pear any longer-but it will still always be your trouble zone.

For instance, if you really, really look at celebrities-you can tell what some of them would be if they gained weight.

The easiest ones to spot are the ones that have had weight issues...Kirstie Alley is an hourglass, and she has a large bone frame. She gains weight all over, but still maintains a waist even when heavy. She gains pretty evenly in her bust and upper arms...but also in her butt and legs. Oprah is an hourglass figure, Drew Barrymore is as well, as is myself. I have no trouble gaining definition and losing inches in my tummy, back and chest areas...but my upper arms and butt/legs have always given me equal trouble.

If you ever watched Bridget Jone's Diary, and see how Renee Zellwiger (sp?) looked when she had to put 20+ pounds on her frame-she is clearly an apple. She maintained great legs, but all of her excess weight in those films were concentrated in her face, upper arms, chest, and bust area-but when she is thin, she looks pretty proportioned.

Magg1e
12-13-2005, 11:01 AM
ahhhh... that's who I'll look to for inspiration . Rennae with a weight gain is pretty much my body type . I am heavy from the top - and have almost boyish hips and legs


and I do know that your problem area is ALWAYS your problem area . I know I will always gain weight first in chin and tummy - and that it wll be the last to lose ( although the double chin went pretty early this time around )

and really - I AM pretty happy with my body type - I just want to know I can fit in a decent pair of jeans in the end - without my waist hoolding them up like a tent and having droopy drawers around my hips and thighs... not a pretty picture !

jillybean720
12-13-2005, 11:17 AM
At least you are not "Apple" shaped, even if you are not hitting the ideal waist-to-hip ratio of under 0.8. I am sure you will look great when you tone up and lose the rest of the weight.

Your basic shape should be the same as it was before you gained the weight.
Sadly, not all of us have a "before you gained the weight" figure--having been overweight my entire life, I have no idea what my figure is, sans rolls :dizzy:

As for the 0.8 waist-to-hip ratio, while it does have something to do with heart health (see http://www.foodconsumer.org/777/8/Waist-to-hip_ratio_better_predicts_heart_attack.shtml (http://www.foodconsumer.org/777/8/Waist-to-hip_ratio_better_predicts_heart_attack.shtml)), I have also read more than once that this is the genetically-implanted "ideal" from a man's perspective, basically. Studies on babies too young to even talk have shown that even they respond more positively to women with a ratio of .8 or lower. Whether overweight, normal weight, or underweight, men generally tend to prefer women at or below this ratio. The explanation for this is estrogen levels:
(the following is from "Perfect Body, Perfect Genes" available here (http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/20001224/spectrum/main1.htm))
"Women with WHR in the typical feminine range", observes Prof. Singh, "have optimal levels of estrogen, less susceptible to major diseases such as diabetes, cardiovascular disorders, risk for ovarian cancers, and ease of conception. Thus, WHR conveys important information to a man about the reproductive age of the woman, her health and status, and ease of conception at a glance. Also, pregnancy, even in the early stages, will increase WHR, it can be used to assess whether a woman is already pregnant or not. As the reproductive success of the man depends on finding a woman who is healthy, of reproductive age, and able to conceive, women with low WHR are preferred as romantic mates."

Magg1e
12-13-2005, 11:30 AM
that study always makes me a little nuts.... although I am sure it's probably valid

RobertW
12-13-2005, 11:38 AM
I do find pear, and hourglass shapes much more appealing then apple.

LovesBassets
12-13-2005, 12:12 PM
As for the 0.8 waist-to-hip ratio, while it does have something to do with heart health...I have also read more than once that this is the genetically-implanted "ideal" from a man's perspective, basically.



That is PRECISELY what I thought when I saw the number. Actually, what I thought was, "Ugh, that must be one of BARBIE'S stats!"

The title of that study -- "Perfect Body..." -- says it all :dizzy: .

RobertW
12-13-2005, 12:20 PM
I thought the men's standard (<0.95) and the women's were purely about diabetes and heart attack/stroke risk.

blues4miles
12-13-2005, 12:35 PM
Just thought this whole discussion was interesting. I haven't measured in while, but I do know that when I was somewhere around 150 lbs I had a 36" waste. This was I think before diet and exercise, so it's likely that I lost a little there. I can't remember exactly what my measurements were, but pretty sure they aren't below a .8 ratio. The study Jill posts above says that risk factors are over .85 which I think makes a big difference. I'm not sure if I keep losing weight if I'll necessarily get below a .8 and still be satisfied that I'm not frighteningly too thin. I've always had kind of a belly, and when I gain weight it goes straight to it(hopefully losing will have the opposite effect :) ). Though I do think the study makes sense...and I think maybe the problem with BMI is that usually it's done with just height and weight, which misses a lot of factors, or maybe select fat % checking in various parts of the body which also might overlook things. Perhaps aiming to get below a .85 is a healthy ideal, I shall have to measure tonight as now I am curious :)

marbear
12-13-2005, 01:42 PM
Carrying weight around the middle does make you more prone to heart disease and other health problems, even in men...it's not about having tiny waists just to look more feminine.

carla49
12-13-2005, 02:01 PM
I've always had a thick waist too, which of course got even more ridiculous with menopause and gaining weight. Even when I'm very thin, everything is always too tight around the waist. Like an earlier poster, my rib cage sits directly on my hip bones, and my hip bones go straight up at the top instead of slanting inward. I think it has actually contributed to my lifelong obsession with my weight - even when I was really thin, I felt like I was "fat" because of the tight waistbands.

BUT we apples can look very good in jeans: it's just a matter of realizing men's pants are a better fit for us. (If you're like me, as well as the long, slim legs, I have a fairly flat backside.) So shop in the men's department for jeans, preferably boot cut or another slim cut with a slightly lower waist, and you'll find a good fit.

I rarely wear skirts unless I'm skinny: anything that defines the midrift makes me look like an unattractive man in drag, whereas a straight skirt with a tunic top or long loose sweater looks cute and boyish.

Maybe there should be a support thread for those of us with big squishy middles.

lucky_me
12-13-2005, 02:20 PM
I suppose I have a smaller waist comparitively (I just took my measurements because I was curious now. :)). 38/32/43 I don't really think of having a "small" waist, just massive hips. lol

GonnaLooseitagain
12-13-2005, 02:26 PM
I am a pear!!! I have a SMALL waist and larger hips/legs. Not too bad though, I fit in my clothes good...but if I try to wear mens jeans I need a size 36 waist to fit in the legs/butt section..but then the waist is HUGE on me..lol find that most men like the heavier bottem end women...they like to have "meat" to hold on to (as my husband would say)

kookiemonster
12-13-2005, 08:02 PM
I measured my waist, 27" hips 38. So that would make a WHR of .71 ... But where are you supposed to measure your waist? At the smallest part or at your belly button? and your hips?

aphil
12-14-2005, 09:06 AM
Your waist is at the smallest point.

stacylambert
12-14-2005, 12:16 PM
I did mine and have a .75. woohoo! Lucky me. Too bad my waist is 36"! I just need to scale it all down and I'll be set.

Jill I was going to post something very similar. We just covered this sort of thing in anthropology class. It's funny because men look for the WHR while women look for symmetry! Who would have thought? Turns out that almost all the "stars" considered sexy are almost perfectly symmetrical (think Denzel). For some reason this correlates to high sperm count so it relates to fertility like WHR does. Probably TMI ;)

TBJ333
12-14-2005, 06:05 PM
I've read that .8 is for health, and that straight men prefer close to hourglass i.e., even lower than .8. Of course, genetic predilection to a small indicator of fertility shouldn't determine your self esteem... ;)

As for me, when I'm higher than 165, I'm an apple. From 184 to 165, I didn't have a waist. From 165 on down, I'm an hourglass, and I do have a waist. Took me about 20 lbs. I'm 5'7"... hope that info answers your question. :)

penpal
12-17-2005, 09:32 PM
I've always had about 10" difference between my waist and hip measurements, no matter what size I've been. Since menopause, I had developed a huge abdomen and just the other day I decided to take my measurements as I hadn't done so for about a year. I was thrilled to see that I've lost 5" on my abdomen and an inch or two on my waist and hips. This is making my clothes fit a lot better. My legs are quite a bit thinner too, but still look like jello :(

Dianeofnka
12-18-2005, 09:02 PM
When I was thin, I had a definite hourglass shape. During this current loss, however, my waist is staying stubbornly thick(er)! I recently put on my size 12 jeans (haven't put those on for years!), and the legs are loose... but the waist is pinching me. Is this just a case of losing the fat from different areas and my body is going to sort it out later? Or is my shape changing with age?

stacylambert
12-18-2005, 11:24 PM
Your shape will change as you age. You start producing less estrogen so you have a relatively higher level of testosterone. This leads to carrying weight in male zones (ie the spare tire) vs hips and thighs.

aphil
12-19-2005, 08:35 AM
I've always had about 10" difference between my waist and hip measurements, no matter what size I've been.

Actually, most clothing manufacturers, and sewing patterns design clothes with a 10" difference between the waist and hips. It is considered the average difference in an hourglass figure type. Feel very lucky-most clothes were proportioned in hte waist/hips for YOU. :p

penpal
12-19-2005, 11:40 AM
Feel very lucky-most clothes were proportioned in hte waist/hips for YOU. :p
I was fortunate that most clothes fit my waist and hips before I hit menopause. Unfortunately, when I developed my big belly, I had a hard time to get pants and skirts that fit because they would be too loose in the waist if they fit around my stomach! This caused me to rely on elastic waisted pants (which allowed me to kid myself that I wasn't gaining weight).

I guess, in one way or another, a lot of us don't fit the "standard" model!